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Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards
#21858896 - 06/26/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: lurkmode] 2
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And a socialist out polling a Bush?
We need to sacrifice some urban youths and resurrect Reagan.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#21859104 - 06/26/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Reagan would never make it past the primaries with today's teabaggers what with his immigration and tax policy views (actions)
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: lurkmode]
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lurkmode said: Awwwww

what a well thought out and articulate point.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: psyconaught] 1
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Conservatives are actually very happy with Obamacare, they got rich owning health care related stocks that benefited from the new polices.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: qman] 1
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because everyone knows only conservatives own stock
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: psyconaught]
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psyconaught said: because everyone knows only conservatives own stock
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what a well thought out and articulate point.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: The Ecstatic]
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My comment had more content and relevancy than a dick sucking gif.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: lurkmode]
#21859940 - 06/26/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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lurkmode said: Awwwww

I doesn't know why people out there are getting upset over gay's marriages. I finds tattoos are very offensive, but that is what they want to do to their bodies, then so be it; but as long as if it is not my body that is being infected with tattoos, then who cares whom is effecting their. People need to mine their own business and stay out of other people's yards. There is some people that are performing wedding for their pets, but I doesn't see anyone complaining about that; but instead they wanting to attend that wedding and to perform it at its best.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: Douglas Howard]
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Douglas Howard said: People need to mine their own business and stay out of other people's yards.]
That. Marriage is for idiots (I've been married so I include myself) but as long as government is involved, what is permissible for straights must be permissible for gays.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21860417 - 06/26/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i thought suck a dick was poignant as it was pretty much my thoughts on the matter.
Reichwingers are having a tough week what with Obamacare and gay marriage rulings, Sarah Palin getting booted from Fixed News and her slut daughter getting knocked up again by some dude that wasn't her ex-fiance.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: lurkmode] 1
#21861090 - 06/26/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cruz wants the ability to fire justices he doesn't like.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: Le_Canard]
#21861654 - 06/26/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well when things aren't going his way what else can he do? Duh
Trump Cruz for president. You're fired!
Three branches of government my ass
 You're fired fired fired fired
It's a sad day in America

Trump Cruz and Teddy Nugent as press secretary
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: Citizen X]
#21861674 - 06/26/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I hear Ted Cruz might move back to Canada over this? More at 11
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: Citizen X]
#21862496 - 06/27/15 02:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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ACTUALLY i think the ruling on Obamacare, while not correct, was good for R'S. 1) THEY don't face consequences of people losing insurance. Even though it wasnt their fault if it happened. 2) It takes away the 'Republican fucked you out of healthcare argment for 2016 3) D's and O definitely own the Obamacare law now, and it is starting to collapse. (Funding, solvency, etc, without a major overhaul.) Already several states have closed exchanges, and the Government is going to have to take up the slack.
And there are a lot of people who are fuming about not being able to go to doctor because of 6000, 7000 dollar co-pays, etc. Oh, and death panels/
Did you know that if you have liver disease like I did, and you are in a MELD stage that would rate you as one year left to live (i WAS at 2 left) or you have cognizant impairment that is bad, the government is not going to allow you to be treated? Even though with the new drugs, people that are in the final stages, awaiting liver transplant, have been taken off the transplant list.
Oh, but thats not a 'death panel' right? THEY are already setting up criteria that will say--'you don't have value or enough life left--so we will let you die'
So, what am I saying? If Obamacare actually ended up working, then hooray. I'd be glad. but I think it has too many structural problems, a lot of people dont like it, and the most insidious parts of obamacare will roll out after he leaves office. IT'S ALSO going to have massive revenue shortalls.
Something is going to have to give because that fuckin bill is a trainwreck.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: starfire_xes]
#21862938 - 06/27/15 07:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: If Obamacare actually ended up working, then hooray. I'd be glad.
It works in pretty much every other Western country.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: starfire_xes]
#21862992 - 06/27/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I see. So you would rather go back to a system where the insurance company would have dropped you if your liver problems got too critical.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: starfire_xes]
#21863129 - 06/27/15 08:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Did you know that if you have liver disease like I did, and you are in a MELD stage that would rate you as one year left to live (i WAS at 2 left) or you have cognizant impairment that is bad, the government is not going to allow you to be treated? Even though with the new drugs, people that are in the final stages, awaiting liver transplant, have been taken off the transplant list.
Oh, but thats not a 'death panel' right? THEY are already setting up criteria that will say--'you don't have value or enough life left--so we will let you die'
This death panel thing just won't die. There is nothing, even remotely close to death panels in the law.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: viktor]
#21863283 - 06/27/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: If Obamacare actually ended up working, then hooray. I'd be glad.
It works in pretty much every other Western country.
Other developed countries don't have a healthcare system like Obamacare, they have universal healthcare which is completely different than the ACA.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: BoldAsLove]
#21863831 - 06/27/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Did you know that if you have liver disease like I did, and you are in a MELD stage that would rate you as one year left to live (i WAS at 2 left) or you have cognizant impairment that is bad, the government is not going to allow you to be treated? Even though with the new drugs, people that are in the final stages, awaiting liver transplant, have been taken off the transplant list.
Oh, but thats not a 'death panel' right? THEY are already setting up criteria that will say--'you don't have value or enough life left--so we will let you die'
This death panel thing just won't die. There is nothing, even remotely close to death panels in the law.
they don't need to be implicit. Wide sections are written to allow agencies to be set up that will make decisions, rules, and regulations. And limiting the care given is one of them.
The statement I made above about treatment for liver disease is already implemented. My doctor took 2 patients already off the transplant list that would be in that category. And I was close to it. Go read the VA treatment policy--same criteria.
And I had severe liver disease, and laws were already in place that prevented me from losing coverage--but I worked for companies that had to provide me with coverage if they provided it for anyone, and you could NOT be screened out by a physical for a job UNLESS YOU COULDNT DO THE JOB. I think this law implemented under clinton's term.
So, with a policy in place for government care that says: if x exists we won't treat you--that is a de facto death panel. It's like the old saying--if you suck one cock you are a cock-sucker.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: starfire_xes]
#21863963 - 06/27/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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they don't need to be implicit. Wide sections are written to allow agencies to be set up that will make decisions, rules, and regulations. And limiting the care given is one of them.
Can you provide a source for this? Here's what I found, and I think it clearly refutes everything you just said.
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The health reform bill being considered in the House of Representatives says that a Comparative Effectiveness Research Center shall "conduct, support, and synthesize research" that looks at "outcomes, effectiveness, and appropriateness of health care services and procedures in order to identify the manner in which diseases, disorders, and other health conditions can most effectively and appropriately be prevented, diagnosed, treated, and managed clinically."
The idea here, which Obama and his budget director Peter Orszag have discussed many times, is to make it easier for doctors, health care workers, insurance companies and patients to find out which treatments are the most effective, as determined by clinical studies and other research.
Obama has said he believes a comparative effectiveness commission should advise health care workers, not require them to follow certain treatments.
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And in fact, the House bill states in the section creating the Comparative Effectiveness Research Center and an oversight commission, "Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the Commission or the Center to mandate coverage, reimbursement, or other policies for any public or private payer." In other words, comparative effectiveness research will tell you whether treatment A is better than treatment B. But the bill as written won't mandate which treatment doctors and patients have to select.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: BoldAsLove]
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How on earth could anyone in their right mind think the govt, our fucked up govt, could run something better than the free market? Before the libtards start in with their whining, I can see some reform of health care. They could have made a few well crafted regulations and fixed a few things and let it be. But no, they had to put the govt in charge and a million new rules and regulations.
So health care costs go up instead of down, we are told no one can be denied but it turns out they can be denied under certain circumstances. When the world wide financial crises hits, there will be no funds and the whole thing will fall into ruin if it hasn't fallen down under its own weight already.
Lets see, what has the fed govt run really well
ss? nope, insolvent already post office? loses billions every year military? most inefficient area ever. $5000 toilet seats and $700 hammers, etc.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: Stonehenge]
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The first sentence from Stonehenge summed it all up.
If you don't like doing business with somebody go to there competitor, my local walmart is full of idiots so I go to a small businesses.
Don't like any of them then there is demand for a business to do better and someone will start it.
Also when gov't has controll over marriage, health etc. They control your life's.
Such as the drug war!
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: qman]
#21869726 - 06/28/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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qman said: Conservatives are actually very happy with Obamacare, they got rich owning health care related stocks that benefited from the new polices.
Ya, they just can't admit that most of it was their rebuttal to Hillary Care of the 90's.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: Stonehenge]
#21869751 - 06/28/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: How on earth could anyone in their right mind think the govt, our fucked up govt, could run something better than the free market?
Ask someone to give their VA benefits (once they get them of course), or the Medicare, then tell them they're going to have to give their money to blood sucking leaches CEOs like Rick Scott.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: sweeper54]
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Stonehenge said: How on earth could anyone in their right mind think the govt, our fucked up govt, could run something better than the free market?
Ask someone to give their VA benefits (once they get them of course), or the Medicare, then tell them they're going to have to give their money to blood sucking leaches CEOs like Rick Scott.
Sorry, but that makes not a bit of sense. Could you translate it please into ordinary English?
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: Stonehenge]
#21870706 - 06/28/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, it works.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: Stonehenge]
#21870785 - 06/28/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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He says that a free market is bad because private people can make money.
That is actually a good thing because it gives people a reward for inventing new medical drugs. Find a cure for cancer you'll be a billionaire. With that in mind people will spend there lives looking for new drugs or a cure. Look at HIV AIDs in the USA it was a very scary and lethal plague in the USA and a treatment was found, that person or group deserve a massive reward because they save very many lives, uncountable.
As for Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, and EPA etc. If those went away are you telling me thousands millions will die I believe our society will hold each other up. Charity's and similar groups will take over, drop taxes or offer great tax credits for charity donations.
As for welfare charity and helping people a wise man once told me " you can't help the helpless, in the end It comes to them to help themselves."
Those that would rather live on the dole than work, will sit on there ass until they have to get up.
That does not apply to individuals with real physical or mental problems.
I would rather help a stranger get a job and find a place to live rather than send a couple thousand $ off to the state or Feds. One makes me feel good the makes me want to go postal
Last part was a joke.
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That is actually a good thing because it gives people a reward for inventing new medical drugs. Find a cure for cancer you'll be a billionaire. With that in mind people will spend there lives looking for new drugs or a cure. Look at HIV AIDs in the USA it was a very scary and lethal plague in the USA and a treatment was found, that person or group deserve a massive reward because they save very many lives, uncountable.
This is actually a perfect example to illustrate why a free market approach is not ideal for health care. The measure of success, and the "reward" given, should be the quality of care. The overarching goal should not be to earn money.
Here is one reason why. In this country, we have a huge dichotomy in researching pharmaceuticals. Comparitavely little is spent researching new antibiotics, which are desperately needed. Alternatively, quite a lot of money is spent researching new drugs for mental disorders. Now, if everyone in the scientific and medical communities agree that we are in desperate need of a new antibiotic to treat drug resistant strains, why is it not being prioritized? My theory is that it's simply not very profitable.
If I'm a pharmaceutical company, why would I spend hundreds of millions of dollars developing a new drug from scratch that will be taken for two weeks and then never again? I could just as easily spend a few million dollars reinventing the wheel on a drug to treat depression that will be taken for years. The ROI here is obvious, but society does not need more depression drugs, we need more antibiotics.
And I'm not saying nobody is working on it, but I'm saying that it's not the most profitable option.
Also, when money is the primary goal, as it always is in a free market, then the care of the patient is secondary. That's just how the free market works. Now, I'm generally a fan of the free market, but we can clearly see that it doesn't work for health care. The US spends by far the most money per capita on healthcare than any other country. Yet, we rank abismally on measures of health care like average life span. Clearly, we could be doing a lot, lot better, and I think the key is to abandon the market-based approach and focus on patient care like almost the entire rest of the world does.
And that's not the ACA, but I know many think that law is socialist, and they definitely won't like what I want.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: Stonehenge]
#21872082 - 06/29/15 06:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: How on earth could anyone in their right mind think the govt, our fucked up govt, could run something better than the free market?
The goal of any insurance company is to make as much profit as possible. The Government doesn't have a profit motive.
Unfortunately, insurance is still being run by free market insurance companies, which is why Obamacare sucks.
Fortunately, there are a few improvements over what we had before.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: tripN]
#21872089 - 06/29/15 06:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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tripN said: He says that a free market is bad because private people can make money.
That is actually a good thing because it gives people a reward for inventing new medical drugs. Find a cure for cancer you'll be a billionaire. With that in mind people will spend there lives looking for new drugs or a cure. Look at HIV AIDs in the USA it was a very scary and lethal plague in the USA and a treatment was found, that person or group deserve a massive reward because they save very many lives, uncountable.
That incentive will not go away under Obamacare. The problem is that they kept the insurance companies, who add no value whatsoever, but cost a lot.
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tripN said: As for Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, and EPA etc. If those went away are you telling me thousands millions will die I believe our society will hold each other up. Charity's and similar groups will take over, drop taxes or offer great tax credits for charity donations.
We've tried that already, and it didn't work out too well for most people.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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tripN said: He says that a free market is bad because private people can make money.
That is actually a good thing because it gives people a reward for inventing new medical drugs. Find a cure for cancer you'll be a billionaire. With that in mind people will spend there lives looking for new drugs or a cure. Look at HIV AIDs in the USA it was a very scary and lethal plague in the USA and a treatment was found, that person or group deserve a massive reward because they save very many lives, uncountable.
That incentive will not go away under Obamacare. The problem is that they kept the insurance companies, who add no value whatsoever, but cost a lot.
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tripN said: As for Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, and EPA etc. If those went away are you telling me thousands millions will die I believe our society will hold each other up. Charity's and similar groups will take over, drop taxes or offer great tax credits for charity donations.
We've tried that already, and it didn't work out too well for most people.
I'm going to say that's exactly what would happen, because it already has! That's why they were created.. Please think about that for a minute
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: Citizen X]
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First of a all I want to say a conversation like this is rare for me, those who disagree with me usually flip out and start calling me things I'm not racist conservative or anti lower class. I'm happy we haven't gone there.
To clarify I'm not right, left, rePUBEican, or democrat. My positions come from first hand life experience. We all have different positions that does not mean one is right all the others are wrong.
My main gripe about all of the topics we are talking about is that they are being done on a national level. I believe the best part of the USA is that we have 50 states to test new ideas IE California with medical weed and gun control, Florida with low low taxes, Texas with super right wing laws.
Forcing an experiment on all 50 states does not give control results, if health is better in states with obamacare and high welfare or vise versa, then the other states should take notice and follow the right path for its people.
We will see the results of these laws in the future, meanwhile don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining, we don't know yet
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: tripN]
#21874513 - 06/29/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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tripN said: First of a all I want to say a conversation like this is rare for me, those who disagree with me usually flip out and start calling me things I'm not racist conservative or anti lower class. I'm happy we haven't gone there.
Give it a few posts. It'll, sadly, go there.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21874665 - 06/29/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
That is true very true. If taxes are over 50% why should I work when I could just live on the dole?
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: tripN]
#21874720 - 06/29/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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tripN said: He says that a free market is bad because private people can make money.
That is actually a good thing because it gives people a reward for inventing new medical drugs. Find a cure for cancer you'll be a billionaire. With that in mind people will spend there lives looking for new drugs or a cure. Look at HIV AIDs in the USA it was a very scary and lethal plague in the USA and a treatment was found, that person or group deserve a massive reward because they save very many lives, uncountable.
Have you heard of "orphan diseases"? Basically they are diseases that only strike a very small number of people. Dumping money into research for these has very low returns for the big pharma companies, so nobody tries to come up with anything, and people suffer and/or die. Free market works, right?
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: WAN]
#21875269 - 06/29/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I read about orphans disease it is very rare in our country, probably because the healthcare for pregnant women.
Tell me this what would you choose a cure or treatment for cancer or smallpox?
I'd go with the cancer cure.
I won't lie that does sound mean but it is true.
To me your argument is, if they can't be perfect why let them keep working. (That is my interpretation, if wrong correct me please)
The liberals seem like me when I was younger, "that's not right, fix it" but over the years I've learned that some things are "sad but true" you didn't ask for it but you got it, life's not perfect it never will be perfect. However we can work on making it better, find cures help each other.
My way to go about this is low government, if not governing ourselves. low taxes or no taxes if you contribute to helping your fellow man (soldiers, police, firefighters, charity workers and donors)
As for those that don't give a shit about there fellow man they can burn in hell and they should be taxed, that money would then go to the previously mentioned causes.
In the end I want the government to leave me alone as much as possible, let the gays marry, let the stoners smoke, and yes let the gun nuts keep there guns. If anybody abuse there rights or hurt others then those rights will be taken away.
And the real demons in our society should be convicted and swiftly executed or deported. The last two are the jury's choice
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: tripN]
#21875279 - 06/29/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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A very good post, tripN. Its rare to see such good sense in the shroomery.
Orphan drugs should perhaps be subsidized. We don't want kids with no parents to die a horrible death.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: Stonehenge]
#21875290 - 06/29/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Definition of orphan disease: https://www.google.ca/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=a_ORVebwDsOE8QeV7YC4Bg#q=orphan+disease+definition
Don't take it literally. It does NOT mean diseases that only orphans can get.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: WAN]
#21875359 - 06/29/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I noticed Lou Gehrig's disease and Tourette's is on the list I looked at. Are telling me Lou Gehrig's is not being researched?
I had a disease epilepsy and about a year ago a doctor cut my head open and took out the part causing the seizures. I had an IQ test before and after, it went up that is amazing. Today I drive a car, work a 10-6 job, and do anything I want to do with no concern about seizures.
That was well worth the bill
The man that helped invent the surgery did the work on me, in my mind he deserved every penny for giving me a normal life.
And one day, be it sooner or later a cure for many terrible diseases will be found. But for right now it's just us and we need to help each other not help the government help who they want to help.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: WAN]
#21875414 - 06/29/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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WAN said: Definition of orphan disease: https://www.google.ca/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=a_ORVebwDsOE8QeV7YC4Bg#q=orphan+disease+definition
Don't take it literally. It does NOT mean diseases that only orphans can get.
LOL, I snuck a little joke in there hoping someone would notice.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: Stonehenge]
#21875423 - 06/29/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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What's the joke?
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: Stonehenge]
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WAN said: Definition of orphan disease: https://www.google.ca/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=a_ORVebwDsOE8QeV7YC4Bg#q=orphan+disease+definition
Don't take it literally. It does NOT mean diseases that only orphans can get.
LOL, I snuck a little joke in there hoping someone would notice.
haha...I was too dense to figure out your joke..what can I say, English is not my first language
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: tripN]
#21875470 - 06/29/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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>What's the joke?
Saying orphan drugs are just for children with no parents. Not a great joke, just a little one.
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#21875474 - 06/29/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: >What's the joke?
Saying orphan drugs are just for children with no parents. Not a great joke, just a little one.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: WAN]
#21875523 - 06/29/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Haha, far out.
Is the argument here done?
We can talk about the gay marriage thing. Some people don't like it for some reason.
Today a lesbian couple came to my shop looking for wedding rings. They pissed me off, not because there getting married or are lesbians.
One was a 9/10 the other a 8/10 both smokin' hot. Just makes me feel sad that no man is going to get any of that, they got my number I hope they call me for ......... But that's a dream.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: tripN]
#21876615 - 06/30/15 05:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Married or not you weren't going to have any of it.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: tripN]
#21876912 - 06/30/15 07:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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tripN said: You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation.
I don't think ANYONE here believes people who CHOOSE not to work should be paid a dollar. The argument is that people who work full time shouldn't live in poverty, so that their CEOs can afford a 10th luxury car.
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tripN said: That is true very true. If taxes are over 50% why should I work when I could just live on the dole?
The rich can choose to keep 50% of $1 million, or 100% of $10,000. I know which one I'd take.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#21877019 - 06/30/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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tripN your tax rate will never be 50% because you'll never be rich.
why do you fight against your own interests?
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tripN your tax rate will never be 50% because you'll never be rich.
why do you fight against your own interests?
believe it or not some people have beliefs that are independent of self interest.
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#21877440 - 06/30/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pretty obvious that I believe it based on the question I asked.
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#21877458 - 06/30/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: sweeper54]
#21877468 - 06/30/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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sweeper54 said: Married or not you weren't going to have any of it.
Amen they were out of my league!
I don't think ANYONE here believes people who CHOOSE not to work should be paid a dollar. The argument is that people who work full time shouldn't live in poverty, so that their CEOs can afford a 10th luxury car.
Working full time (40+ hours) for minimum wage is just that, minimum, what do you expect out off a walmart or mcdonalds style business a 401k, health insurgence and 2 wreaks paid vacation?
Truth is those are starter jobs a year of that under the belt and you should be able to get a better job, if our economy wasn't SOL but that's the last 7-8 years. Just to be clear that started under bush with fanney and Freddy so nobody is innocent on that.
Think about this, if you force the rich guys to pay more they'll just hire less and/or charge more, then were back in the same spot.
Your pay goes up and so did your expenses.
Where I live there are a lot of illegal aliens they work like hell and after 20 years they are home owners or higher ups of the businesses they work for.
If you live with the bear essentials and save hard on a minimum wage, the worker can get higher education and then be paid more, invest in the market, or use that money to make more.
It takes money to make money
And no I'm not taxed 50% but if I was I truly would go fucking postal. No lie. sorry admin but that's the way I feel.
And if the lazy people should not get welfare why doesn't the government due a few audits here and there. The reason they lay around is that there free benefits from the government are great and they have no need to work. That brings us back to the real problem in welfare, thinking we can help the helpless.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: tripN]
#21879253 - 06/30/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I don't think ANYONE here believes people who CHOOSE not to work should be paid a dollar. The argument is that people who work full time shouldn't live in poverty, so that their CEOs can afford a 10th luxury car.
Working full time (40+ hours) for minimum wage is just that, minimum, what do you expect out off a walmart or mcdonalds style business a 401k, health insurgence and 2 wreaks paid vacation?
Yes. Employees in Europe get this, so why shouldn't we? Are we not as good as they are anymore?
I find it odd that conservatives pretend they're upset with Obama for the current wage gap, while arguing for policies that make people even poorer.
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tripN said: Think about this, if you force the rich guys to pay more they'll just hire less and/or charge more, then were back in the same spot.
Your pay goes up and so did your expenses.
I guess you weren't around for the lengthy discussions about how the libertarian CATO Institute showed that "a 10 percent increase in the U.S. minimum wage raises food prices by up to 4 percent and overall prices by up to 0.4 percent." That's a bargain for low paid workers.
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tripN said: And no I'm not taxed 50% but if I was I truly would go fucking postal. No lie. sorry admin but that's the way I feel.
So you'd prefer $10,000 untaxed to $1,000,000 taxed at 50%? 
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tripN said: And if the lazy people should not get welfare why doesn't the government due a few audits here and there. The reason they lay around is that there free benefits from the government are great and they have no need to work. That brings us back to the real problem in welfare, thinking we can help the helpless.
Again, no one here that I'm aware of is in favor of helping those who choose not to work.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#21881955 - 07/01/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would like to add that the biggest employers in America are Wal-Mart Yum brands - KFC, Taco Bell and Pizza Hut Then there's McDonalds up there in the top 3
So, our nations largest employers are notorious low wage jobs. think about that
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#21882940 - 07/01/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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First of all I would take the half a million.
One of the truest lessons in life for me is "it takes money to make money". Now if you come out with a million gross taxed 50% that means you have to be in that million for less than half a million or else your losing money. If my business made a million I would be in it for 850,000 to 900,000. So 1,000,000 - 50% = 500,000 - 850,000 = 350,000 in the hole.
Then I'm going bankrupt, losing my faith in working, onto the dole I'll go.
Why should we not force a business to give benefits?
Because an agreement was made you work ___ you get $___
Don't like it, that find a different place to work. And as previously mentioned our job market is in the crapper, the blame for that goes to every idiot politician that thinks we should regulate businesses therefor businesses are keeping costs as low as possible, no growth no new jobs.
Cato institute, good smart people but I trust the hard facts of history over any group of people.
When the minimum wage was created our money started its real decline in value. Yes it did happen before, right around the civil war I think. But we've been on an 80 year slide, slow but steady this is why investing in gold and silver have slow, but damn near guaranteed returns.
Minimum wage is not a bad idea we shouldn't have people that are practically slaves. But if you look at the working class lifestyle it is far from the bottom of the ladder. I believe if you work, save money for a few years to the point where your life is almost miserable, you can take that money and start a new path to a great life.
I employed a man that would spend all his money on payday, his life is still shity because he just doesn't think about the long term financials. One day I brought this up with him he agreed, but the next payday he did the same thing.
None of us know the roots of this, in the case I just talked about the man had used meth for years, I think he fryd his brain like chicken at KFC. Extra crunchy!
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One more thing.
Liberals and conservatives say "your wrong so I'm right" not so, there are hundreds if not more ways to try to solve these problems. And remember not everybody is the same and there is no one treatment to fix all.
IE. Grass give my friends the munches, but it makes me feel stuffed.
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#21883083 - 07/01/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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>None of us know the roots of this, in the case I just talked about the man had used meth for years, I think he fryd his brain like chicken at KFC. Extra crunchy!
He will vote for hitlery.
Very true about govt meddling in business. Why do you think so many usa businesses have offshored production or moved headquarters offshore? To escape usa heavy taxes and onerous regulations. China approves.
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He will vote for hitlery
I gonna start using that now.
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Citizen X said: I would like to add that the biggest employers in America are Wal-Mart Yum brands - KFC, Taco Bell and Pizza Hut Then there's McDonalds up there in the top 3
So, our nations largest employers are notorious low wage jobs. think about that
I'm thinking about that. That means if all those people made more money, that would do amazing things to close the wage gap, and reduce poverty.
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Any republican who is on the anti gay bandwagon is destroying his party from the inside. Preventing gays to marry is not a conservative value. Conservative values are freedom and smaller government. "let the government run its business and let me run my own", thats republicanism. If gays wanna marry, its their business.
A republican I know whos a man in his forties and I get along fine and we never get in political fights. His beef with his party is that elements in it are trying to achieve a nanny state with things like being opposed to gay marriage.
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#21886883 - 07/02/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its ironic that the left can't do simple math. They whine for higher wages but higher wages without more productivity means higher costs which must be passed along. So the left gets the unearned raise, for a little while they are ahead but soon as price increases kick in they are back where they started. Seeing that it did no good, what is it they propose? More of the same of course. Its a little dance, wages go up, prices go up, wages, prices, etc.
A conservative = a liberal who wised up
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A conservative = a liberal who got mugged
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: sweeper54]
#21888335 - 07/02/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm gonna cry when you guys do start killing each other in the streets over this bullcrap. All I can do is keep repeating to you ALL that the fault is not in the other but in your own thinking. It is in you, it is in me it is in everybody. Fucking hrab a hold of your nuts or ovaries and own up to the fact that Yes, Sometimes You are Wrong.
The Inner Jihad guys, fight the Inner Jihad against the gremlins in your mind instead of opening fire on others verbally or in some time, literally.
You guys are headed for a civil war where everybody will fight everybody.
CUT. IT. OUT.
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#21889501 - 07/02/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Citizen X said: I would like to add that the biggest employers in America are Wal-Mart Yum brands - KFC, Taco Bell and Pizza Hut Then there's McDonalds up there in the top 3
So, our nations largest employers are notorious low wage jobs. think about that
I'm thinking about that. That means if all those people made more money, that would do amazing things to close the wage gap, and reduce poverty.
Yeah but that would be meddling in the free market and some people here don't like that, but in the next post those same people vilify Obama for not doing enough.
Qman says, from the Bernie Sanders thread - "Obama is killing it" Yes he's killing the working middle class, that's an economic fact. I glad you're so pleased with a President that has created the largest wealth and income inequality in over 80 years!!
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Re: Obamacare, gay marriage rulings - sad times for conservatards [Re: Asante] 1
#21890429 - 07/02/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Inner Jihad guys, fight the Inner Jihad against the gremlins in your mind instead of opening fire on others verbally or in some time, literally.
So you are talking about pubs. They're the ones that are so afraid of everybody and everything that doesn't walk, talk, and eat like an angry white male.
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