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Canada is no longer a "green" country * 1
    #21858891 - 06/26/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(14)70199-8/fulltext

It seems as though environmental scientists are being muzzled by a stifling government (They have to get government approval before sharing data with the media)......discuss


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Re: Canada is no longer a "green" country [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #21858903 - 06/26/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well, that's bad, isn't it?
This shit is spreading, governments around the world are desperate to keep us from knowing how bad things are getting.


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Re: Canada is no longer a "green" country [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #21858915 - 06/26/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

This shouldn't be too surprising, the current regime draws its power mostly from Alberta oil money.


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Re: Canada is no longer a "green" country [Re: psi] * 1
    #21858927 - 06/26/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Canada has never been that green.  Look at the massive hydroelectric projects in Quebec in the 70s flooding huge tracts of land


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Re: Canada is no longer a "green" country [Re: koods]
    #21858968 - 06/26/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I like to think of Canada as "British America"

It is disturbing up to see this trend growing, of governments silencing climate science to please their corporate masters. I hope Florida sinks into the ocean rapidly enough to make a big dramatic example of itself.


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Re: Canada is no longer a "green" country [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21859015 - 06/26/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Florida should be scuttled.


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Re: Canada is no longer a "green" country [Re: koods] * 1
    #21859049 - 06/26/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Canada has never been that green.  Look at the massive hydroelectric projects in Quebec in the 70s flooding huge tracts of land



And now Quebec has plentiful cheap power that doesn't require burning anything or disposing of radioactive waste. If you're going to make an omelette, you gotta break a few eggs.


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Re: Canada is no longer a "green" country [Re: psi]
    #21859105 - 06/26/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

"green" marketing is usually just a scam to make money


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Re: Canada is no longer a "green" country [Re: MilkdudTitties] * 1
    #21859117 - 06/26/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Canada is a scam


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Re: Canada is no longer a "green" country [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21859128 - 06/26/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:yeahthatsright:


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Re: Canada is no longer a "green" country [Re: psi]
    #21859402 - 06/26/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I guess Canada has no 1st amendment. That is what is most disturbing to me. At least in the USA...Big oil buys their scientists.


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Re: Canada is no longer a "green" country [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #21859410 - 06/26/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I guess Canada has no 1st amendment. That is what is most disturbing to me. At least in the USA...Big oil buys their scientists.




Even for all their money, big oil can't really change the consensus among scientists that we need to drastically cut back on fossil fuel burning to avert global catastrophe. So instead they are having their lackeys suppress dissent at the state level, i.e. Florida and now Canada. Seriously, Florida is going to be the first state to sink into the ocean and I don't think any of us are really going to miss it.


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Re: Canada is no longer a "green" country [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #21859464 - 06/26/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Deforestation in Canada:



The Alberta Tar Sands (can apparently even be seen from space:



http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2011/12/pictures/111222-canada-oil-sands-satellite-images/

And there is a lot of speculation that the recent anti-terrorism bill that the Conservatives hammered through is more interested in focusing on environmental rights activists (whom the government has already previously decided is a terrorist organization) and potentially the First Nations tribes that are obstructing the illegally approved pipeline projects.

http://cdnapi.kaltura.com/html5/html5lib/v2.28/mwEmbedFrame.php/p/1862501/uiconf_id/28971651/entry_id/0_akdwimxf?wid=_1862501&iframeembed=true&playerId=kaltura_player_1430221231&entry_id=0_akdwimxf&flashvars

Should be a short link to a Vice interview; could not get it to embed.


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Re: Canada is no longer a "green" country [Re: Tantrika]
    #21859632 - 06/26/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That is what the whole Keystone pipeline mess has been about. Moving that shit to the US Gulf to be refined.:facepalm3: I've seen firsthand some of the "clearcuts" they do up there in BC. They stopped clearcutting forests in the US 50 years ago because of all the bad that comes out of it. That is ...except the paper companies pine tree farms that are grown and harvested like a crop.


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Re: Canada is no longer a "green" country [Re: Thayendanegea] * 1
    #21859686 - 06/26/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Canada is up there with Australia when it comes to being 'green'. I'm pretty sure our prime ministers might be fucking each other.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/06/australia-slashes-its-renewable-energy-target-by-nearly-20/

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/apr/17/abbott-government-gives-4m-to-help-climate-sceptic-set-up-australian-centre

Not to mention:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/22/australia_gets_its_internet_filter_after_senate_vote/

This government has done nothing but fuck our country. I'll be happy when they are voted out.


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Re: Canada is no longer a "green" country [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #21859772 - 06/26/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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...I've seen firsthand some of the "clearcuts" they do up there in BC. They stopped clearcutting forests in the US 50 years ago because of all the bad that comes out of it. ...




Have not seen the cutting in BC myself, but have seen the cutting in Ontario from multiple angles.

Driving across the Ontario, the highway twists and turns through all sorts of rock cuts with trees shading much of the road.
From the hilltops, it is possible to see that a short distance from the road (far enough not to disrupt much of the driving scenery) huge swaths of forest are cut out stretching into the distance.
From a plane it is even possible to see in some places how far it stretches.

Really kind of sums up Canada though -- keep just enough to maintain appearances while hiding the actual impact.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/09/05/canada-deforestation-worst-in-world_n_5773142.html

Worldwide largest contributor to deforestation.


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