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Filterhead462
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Storing powdered mushrooms
#21858494 - 06/26/15 03:40 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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What's the best way to store mushroom powder to avoid potency loss, I'll be storing them for around a month or two, will they keep most of their potency leaving them for that long in say a sealed bag inside a mason jar
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Pandemoon
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Keep it as dark and air-tight as possible!
A powder is maximal surface, worst way to store mushrooms I guess.
I only make a powder right before consumption, or for chocolates.
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Re: Storing powdered mushrooms [Re: Pandemoon]
#21858558 - 06/26/15 04:34 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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A powder is maximal surface, worst way to store mushrooms I guess.
I call bullshit. I've had powdered mushies in a mason jar in my freezer for over 5 years now. As of last weekend, I've not noticed any loss in potency.
They'll be fine. Powdered shrooms are more discreet, take up less space, and are easier to consume and measure than whole ones.
When I grow actives, its the only way I store them these days.
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Last time I drove with powdered shrooms I felt confident that I could play it off as ashes I keep for random spreading when I find myself in a cool place. -cop picks up container- "hey, put her down!! That's my granny!"
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Re: Storing powdered mushrooms [Re: Matt87]
#21858576 - 06/26/15 04:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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A month should be fine. Long term storage is suspect though. Tiny pieces means lots of oxidation of alkaloids
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Pandemoon
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A powder is maximal surface, worst way to store mushrooms I guess.
I call bullshit. I've had powdered mushies in a mason jar in my freezer for over 5 years now. As of last weekend, I've not noticed any loss in potency.
They'll be fine. Powdered shrooms are more discreet, take up less space, and are easier to consume and measure than whole ones.
When I grow actives, its the only way I store them these days.
Sure you are right, kept airtight in the freezer they'll be fine anyway. But it's not bullshit that powder is max surface for oxidational potency-loss.
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Re: Storing powdered mushrooms [Re: Pandemoon]
#21858627 - 06/26/15 05:31 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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5 years.....
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wildernessjunkie said: 5 years.....
.. is quite a lot, for not feeling any potency-loss at all. Congrats! All of my shrooms, that surprisingly survived more than a year, lost some magic somehow.. But I never kept them in the freezer, though.
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Re: Storing powdered mushrooms [Re: Pandemoon]
#21858759 - 06/26/15 07:18 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Capsules easily If you just put an oz of powder in a big jar and open the jar up every other week it might aswell be in the open, caps are almost airtight by themselves just gotta keep em dry Plus its super easy to dose and share, with little taste, even when youre already high on something
If you dont want to dose straight up powder, then make your tea/chocolate/whatever right now and store that in the freezer
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Re: Storing powdered mushrooms [Re: thoraxx]
#27434506 - 08/19/21 12:42 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I got the same problem, i noticed a loss of potency in powdered dried mushrooms. But are you sure that if I caps the powder it will preserve for a long time? How many time do it lasts?
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Re: Storing powdered mushrooms [Re: thoraxx]
#27434603 - 08/19/21 02:02 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I never saw understood how air (alone) could change the chemical properties of a substance. Heat and light, yes - those add energy and could potentially cause a chemical change. But unless psilocybin evaporates or takes on moisture (and rots), what's the science behind this concern about air? I get that the surface area is maximized but it's still just air, no? Anyone have examples other than anecdotal of air affecting the chemistry of a med?
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Re: Storing powdered mushrooms [Re: FMPO]
#27434607 - 08/19/21 02:06 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Drug oxidation is a thing. But not sure about relevance to the current discussion
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Re: Storing powdered mushrooms [Re: junker82317]
#27435657 - 08/20/21 07:44 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Air contains both, oxigen and water. Oxigen is acidic and water is moisture. Both harm most amines, especially 4 subbed tryptamines.
Powdered mushrooms are more prone to oxidation than complete fruits, no matter if you cap them or vacuum pack then. Powdered is less stable then not powdered.
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Re: Storing powdered mushrooms [Re: Pandemoon]
#27435760 - 08/20/21 09:42 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pandemoon said: Air contains both, oxigen and water. Oxigen is acidic and water is moisture. Both harm most amines, especially 4 subbed tryptamines.
Powdered mushrooms are more prone to oxidation than complete fruits, no matter if you cap them or vacuum pack then. Powdered is less stable then not powdered.
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As a precaution, I'm going to dry the current harvest, store it whole and only grind up and encapsulate what I can use in a reasonable period of time. Pre-weighed capsules are convenient for microdosing and easier to travel with. For the occasional deeper dive I'll munch the unpowdered ones. Thanks for the feedback.
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Re: Storing powdered mushrooms [Re: junker82317]
#27435763 - 08/20/21 09:47 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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junker82317 said: ....But not sure about relevance to the current discussion
it IS the current discussion. Read the first post again.
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junker82317
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Re: Storing powdered mushrooms [Re: FMPO]
#27435893 - 08/20/21 11:52 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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To restate, drug oxidation is definitely a thing and various drugs need to be stabilized to prevent oxidation. Knowing that, it is highly likely that powdered shrooms will lose potency over time. Of course, detailed scientific analysis is needed for certainty.
@FMPO I’d meant that I do not have a reference to scientific study. Evidently, that’s not what I did write.
Edited by junker82317 (08/20/21 11:54 AM)
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FMPO
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Re: Storing powdered mushrooms [Re: junker82317]
#27438063 - 08/22/21 05:40 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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No worries, I see how what you wrote could be read 2 ways. It really would be good to have a scientific reference on this.
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Re: Storing powdered mushrooms [Re: FMPO]
#27438116 - 08/22/21 07:01 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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https://sci-hubtw.hkvisa.net/10.1002/dta.2950
In this article you read about powdered mushrooms and the preservation on the substances, but there isn't a study about the difference between powder conservation and encapsulated powder.
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Re: Storing powdered mushrooms [Re: Anaxus]
#27438224 - 08/22/21 08:35 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you for the link - very interesting reading. They do confirm the degradation of tryptamine concentration in powder form - and as you rightly noted, the impact of storing in capsules in small quantities is not clear.
Also unclear, is the impact on human usage - does the change in tryptamine concentration significantly impact the effects felt?
Lastly, interesting is their observation that dried whole body fruit retained the most tryptamine concentration for the longest duration.
I'd like to read their full article with tables when published.
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I must add their extraction method for validation is methanol + acetic acid. Scene folklore says that water is the best extraction method - so not sure what to make of their extraction methods. Did using methanol/acetic acid impact their results vs what we humans feel?
Edited by junker82317 (08/22/21 08:40 AM)
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Re: Storing powdered mushrooms [Re: junker82317]
#27438368 - 08/22/21 10:48 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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junker82317 said: Also unclear, is the impact on human usage - does the change in tryptamine concentration significantly impact the effects felt?
Since the primary active ingredients are tryptamines it's safe to say that any reduction in tryptamine concentration/degradation of tryptamines produces a direct and significant effect on experience/effects felt.
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