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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21863632 - 06/27/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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i posted those but then deleted them; it was better without them. 


that's okay though.


the point is - trying to teach others about peace before one has gotten there is not so good, and yet it all resolves. ..


that is why it is best to seek the source, attain it in full - and then share what one has found - the way home.




That is also what I do
I don't go out and teach before I feel content, I only teach when I can reach the source 'without thinking'


But as any teacher will learn, they are not there fully, they have to learn, so initially they will fail as a teacher, in order to move on and learn more

So any good teacher will start by teaching darkness often, because you learn from your mistakes


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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21863636 - 06/27/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

if you have not seen the infinite light - you will not recognize it;

and if you have, you will never forget it.


fairly simple. . .



the point is - finding peace and light - attaining them in full, and then going to share them with the world; this is the way of peace.


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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: lessismore]
    #21863639 - 06/27/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

no genuine teacher tells us others there is darkness in their hearts.


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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21863640 - 06/27/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

none.


that is not helpful.


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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21863651 - 06/27/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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once in a lifetime said:
none.


that is not helpful.




A teacher affected by drugs does...

A teacher affected by life crisis does...

A teacher who is ill himself does...

And I could go on


Noone is perfect, neither are you
You are from the source, but your actions fail


A spiritual teacher learns to teach usually, like any teacher. They might not redirect the full light initially, but maybe only partially.


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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: lessismore]
    #21863673 - 06/27/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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lessismore said:
A teacher affected by drugs does...

A teacher affected by life crisis does...

A teacher who is ill himself does...

And I could go on


Noone is perfect, neither are you
You are from the source, but your actions fail





:sun:

thank you for being more clear.

have a wonderful day.


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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21863675 - 06/27/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

In my experience, many teach that the way to the light is by recognizing, accepting and releasing darkness. Just a few I have found right now. There are many others.

C.G. Jung
“There is no coming to consciousness without pain. People will do anything, no matter how absurd, in order to avoid facing their own Soul. One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious.”

Eckhart Tolle
“There is only one perpetrator of evil on the planet: human unconsciousness. That realization is true forgiveness. With forgiveness, your victim identity dissolves, and your true power emerges--the power of Presence. Instead of blaming the darkness, you bring in the light.”

Many forms of yoga/meditation are based on digging down and stirring up the negative karma (darkness) within ourselves so that it may be released. In fact the word guru means "darkness dispeller".


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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: lessismore]
    #21863717 - 06/27/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I like Tolle, someone gave me the book The Power of Now :-)

Needless I didn't need to read it, I also don't read well, never have read a book yet, but the title said it all at the time

I have since seen a youtube vid or two with him/found him in other ways, every word he speaks is my own, was pretty overwhelming too

It's nice to know that there are people that actually care that much on the planet, especially the days when you may feel low due to awakening / other life trouble

I.e. you may feel really ill, but joy each day, so you can help nobody because you are really sick in bed, you  can share no joy with nobody

It's also funny that one can feel joy when laying in bed for xx months with pain, but I suppose anything is possible when finding the soul

Luckily I still had nature , and then someone gave me that book


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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: lessismore]
    #21863748 - 06/27/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I like Tolle too. It really changed my perspective when I read The Power Of Now.  But I found it extremely hard to practice consistently without the addition of other teachings. Being present and allowing the darkest depths of your subconscious to surface requires an enormous strength of will.


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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: PocketLady]
    #21863784 - 06/27/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well I know what makes me less able to be present:

drugs,pills,stress

and I'm very sensitive to noise as just about the only thing, but of course also life crisis stress is not pleasant and very hard to stay present in if it lasts for too long

Imagine having a 5-10 year long life crisis i.e., won't be pleasant... would make anybody angry almost, angry at anybody

Especially if you combine it with pain pills...


Lots of ways to fall in, and lots of ways to get back out again when time is
There are really no coincidences, we usually get ourselves in the mess and sometimes we have to learn

I.e. if we get an illness and need to take high amounts of pain pills

How could we accept that ever, while teaching others?

That's 2 impossibilities almost, doesn't go good together

But I have helped people my whole life to some extent and I feel that path is right, I just cannot get off pills, so I am not teaching much at this moment anymore


So many things can make us fail to be present, but I guess that's part of evolving - to realize that
Realize which ways help us be present, and that is cycling long, exercising, nature, meditating,fasting,houseplants,gardening,service to others etc.

Our actions are very important, one bad action is all it takes often to remove all presentness


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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: lessismore]
    #21863817 - 06/27/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah staying present can be pretty tough. Sounds like you have had a rough time of it recently. Sorry to hear that. Having been through some challenging times myself, I do truly think that all of the obstacles life throws at us are there to teach us something, and quite often it is to be present and exist in a state of non-attachment. If we succeed, the lesson goes away. If it's too much, the lesson will come around again. However, as you say, often the challenge of staying present is too difficult, which is where energy work and meditation comes in.


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The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
The heart that is not in love will fail the test.

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The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny.
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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: lessismore]
    #21863845 - 06/27/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Haha, nicely said, I've noticed that too, if it keeps reappearing we haven't learned the lesson yet!

If it disappears, the lesson is usually learned


I.e. people keep being angry at you, talking behind your back - and you want revenge, now they don't any longer

you felt you were right because these people wouldn't want you any good!


That's how our mind often controls us, it will convince us we are right, and "they" are wrong

A present mind doesn't need to be right


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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: lessismore]
    #21863895 - 06/27/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Present is forgiveness

for your soul is my soul

"turn the other chin" - no matter if you are right or not


only attack back what needs to be attacked


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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: lessismore]
    #21864877 - 06/27/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Fact is, unless you can first accept the evil satanic occult child sacrificing pedophile elite for what they are, you will never be even remotely enlightened. 

Never.




Enlightenment might both be seeing your own shadow side, overcoming it (so it doesn't control you), and seeing other's shadow side

Tv instils fear in people, newspapers do too, fear , frustration, and it stays in your subconscious for a long while..
Maybe those running those tv networks and newspaper groups are part of that evil satanic cult / are not themselves

They sell sex,murder,rape daily and people feed off it




Much like GMO foods, people eat whatever they are fed.  It's no maybe about those running tv networks and newspaper groups being part of the cult.  The other part is an amazing infiltration and control by the CIA into the media.  "Executive producers" et al.

I like your thought on recognizing shadows in yourself and others.  I think that opens one up to actually see the light of love and beauty because without both sides how can one actually see it all?

To be enlightened is to be aware, and accepting of what is around oneself.  It's not an easy state to realize without feeling that fear you speak of.  In time, the fear changes from anger, to disgust, to acceptance and an even deeper sense of morbid curiosity.


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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #21864917 - 06/27/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

there's no need for fear, LE;

it's a temporary thing - it fades.

It's possible to leave it so far behind it becomes literally nothing.


You and I have similar views about some things, but we go about them differently, I feel.  We each feel that humans have destroyed too much of earth;

and that change needs to occur. . to get more into this might be outside of the scope of this thread, however.

one thing is - at the very basic nature, at the very essence of all of this - all is light;

seeing that, having seen it and continuing to go further, there are unlimited levels to it.


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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21864931 - 06/27/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Our wording says if we live in fear, or if we just got a cloudy mind due to drugs or bad life situation or such

I don't really live in fear, but there are other troubles such as high amount of pain pills each day

Pills makes it harder to accept society, illness does too

Isolation due to illness can do it too at times..

If we cannot move around easily and go out with friends due to illness, the frustration stays in ourselves

Normally I would cycle long, go out with friends etc, but illness can prevent that


Then frustration sticks to you, from reading newspapers etc. , you got no outlet
Pills make it all worse etc.

But I still see the good in people once in a while :-) , some things just make one forget easily - pills do i.e., I've never eaten a pill in my life before I got sick, never been sick in my life either before that


Noone gets there fully, it's a constant learning process to remember acceptance


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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #21864949 - 06/27/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

LunarEclipse said:
Quote:

lessismore said:
Quote:

LunarEclipse said:
Fact is, unless you can first accept the evil satanic occult child sacrificing pedophile elite for what they are, you will never be even remotely enlightened. 

Never.




Enlightenment might both be seeing your own shadow side, overcoming it (so it doesn't control you), and seeing other's shadow side

Tv instils fear in people, newspapers do too, fear , frustration, and it stays in your subconscious for a long while..
Maybe those running those tv networks and newspaper groups are part of that evil satanic cult / are not themselves

They sell sex,murder,rape daily and people feed off it




Much like GMO foods, people eat whatever they are fed.  It's no maybe about those running tv networks and newspaper groups being part of the cult.  The other part is an amazing infiltration and control by the CIA into the media.  "Executive producers" et al.

I like your thought on recognizing shadows in yourself and others.  I think that opens one up to actually see the light of love and beauty because without both sides how can one actually see it all?

To be enlightened is to be aware, and accepting of what is around oneself.  It's not an easy state to realize without feeling that fear you speak of.  In time, the fear changes from anger, to disgust, to acceptance and an even deeper sense of morbid curiosity.




Very good description that last part, awareness  and acceptance of what is


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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: lessismore]
    #21864958 - 06/27/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Acceptance and appreciation of the Now

that's usually how I feel my soul


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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: lessismore]
    #21864979 - 06/27/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I understand that.  Always have felt health was the most important thing to figure out, from my early days..  What brings health, accept that, bring it to my heart; what does not, let that fade from me. .

By saying this I do not mean avoiding suffering in the world; however.  My teacher Hanh says, "Do not avoid suffering in the world," and shares some other beautiful words about it, I will look them up sometime. .

Your post also reminded me of this quote I found, also by Margaret:

Gathering strength, gaining breath, — naught can sever
Me from the Spirit of Life!

I found that to be very beautiful: very well expressed - also akin to what I discovered. . I have historically expressed it - there's nowhere to go except the source. . that is, the leaves of the tree of life never fall. . . they never get cut off - because -

where is there to go in the universe that is not within the source of the universe?

To me this was very profound almost 9 years ago, and still is today. :smile:

So it was nice to see it again here written by Margaret.

That is from here, by the way. (same link as in the quotes thread)

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Margaret_Fuller


I will pray you may be healed, for what it is worth.  I do spend as much time as possible in prayer, each day, to keep a continuous feeling of meditation and connection - yet I will spend a while today in prayer for healing, if you would like.


As I mention to desant, anytime you ask, I will.


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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21865024 - 06/27/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks, would really appreciate that

I believe in intention, and a purpose for anything too, so I think I have mostly evolved beyond that health part

But the pills still got me most of the time, they change my mood, even if I have no fear for my health anymore

Feel limited in what I can do, but not in how I can feel of joy fortunately in certain states of meditation - in nature i.e.

So the strength is probably going to come from inside as usual in life, I've always had great strength all my life, but that has faded a lot with the illness, almost none left at times, pills drain me completely

But any help would be appreciated, I know we are not limited to our bodies after all, but I would like to be healthy, still got a lot I want to do on this earth, 100s of things

peace


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