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once in a lifetime said: humanity does indeed need rules
destroying life on the scale we have been so doing is not acceptable.
this does not mean we lose anything - rather we gain everything.
living in harmony with nature is the most fulfilling life.
True enlightenment accepts all, also destruction
Because everything 'just is'
Also, maybe you need to slow down slightly, I cannot follow up with 100 messages :-P Write one big one instead maybe
Here's a question for you, it is not judging: How can we be free, without controlling our minds fully? Then, do psychedelics make us free ? - or is it the process we undergo after them that makes us more free?
Initially they make our thoughts weird, but after some months they may make more sense
So it looks like you are in the process of becoming free, yet not free
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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: PocketLady]
#21863355 - 06/27/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i am free, pocket lady. i am free - cleansed - here to help.
there was a zen teacher who said once,
'i could give you something, but what would help?'
-------------------- Innocent, Oldfield & Hegerland Julia Delaney, Bothy Band Rasta Girl, Sister Carol Genesis, Jorma K I Wish You Peace, Lawrence Laughing Do Your Thing, Moondog large . . music garden . . veryall peace them hiStarhouse - main Time Traveler's Guide
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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: lessismore]
#21863367 - 06/27/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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it looks like
you are free.
i am free.
this is what i am saying. do you know me? one life- one heart- one energy- one soul- one culture- one world- one universe.
the essential lesson is that once you are enlightened, you will no longer tell others 'you are bound.'
such only creates bondage.
thanks you.
-------------------- Innocent, Oldfield & Hegerland Julia Delaney, Bothy Band Rasta Girl, Sister Carol Genesis, Jorma K I Wish You Peace, Lawrence Laughing Do Your Thing, Moondog large . . music garden . . veryall peace them hiStarhouse - main Time Traveler's Guide
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I've never heard that rule..
I work with people all the time, and tell them they're bound
Because only by realizing ones shadow side can one become free
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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: lessismore]
#21863384 - 06/27/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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you are infinite light.
infinite light cannot be bound.
-------------------- Innocent, Oldfield & Hegerland Julia Delaney, Bothy Band Rasta Girl, Sister Carol Genesis, Jorma K I Wish You Peace, Lawrence Laughing Do Your Thing, Moondog large . . music garden . . veryall peace them hiStarhouse - main Time Traveler's Guide
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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: lessismore] 1
#21863395 - 06/27/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I tell them they're free, but they are binding themselves by their own thoughts
And that acceptance of the problem helps , instead of fighting it
That is hard to accept apparently ;-) - and that is how I know it works, people get mad at me initially often, but that is self defence telling me it worked
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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: lessismore]
#21863409 - 06/27/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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to make clear slightly, or help share - i edited my previous post, to make it a little more simple. . .
to continue on with the discussion and meta-discussion -
if you do or say something to make others angry, you are not doing right by them. . .
for there is no cause for anger, no matter what may come. so if you are evoking it, you might try a different approach.
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That doesn't resonate with me Once In A Lifetime. I can understand there is no impediment to meditation, but that alone will not take me there. Just as understanding that we are all connected to God will not give me true God-realisation. Refined practical skills are the bread and butter of the spiritual path IMHO, and that has to start with facing the darkness.
-------------------- Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity. The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death. Tomorrow, when resurrection comes, The heart that is not in love will fail the test. ~ Rumi The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny. ~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir
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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: PocketLady]
#21863422 - 06/27/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Heh.
If one understands there is no impediment, one is already there.
Understanding there is no impediment is the definition of not having any impediment.
-------------------- Innocent, Oldfield & Hegerland Julia Delaney, Bothy Band Rasta Girl, Sister Carol Genesis, Jorma K I Wish You Peace, Lawrence Laughing Do Your Thing, Moondog large . . music garden . . veryall peace them hiStarhouse - main Time Traveler's Guide
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Yes, if a person can permanently realise there is no impediment. But, in order to do that, we have to face the darkness when it comes (and it does come!). It takes practice because the mind is full of impressions that have to be brought to the surface to be released, before this permanent realisation can come.
-------------------- Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity. The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death. Tomorrow, when resurrection comes, The heart that is not in love will fail the test. ~ Rumi The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny. ~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir
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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: PocketLady]
#21863472 - 06/27/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You're the infinite light of the universe,
in all its power, beauty, glory and play -
you are the sunlight, dog and the kitten
all in perfect harmony, joy, and play;
the shadow has already passed, gone.
gone for good.
om gate gate paragate parasamgate bodhi svaha
-------------------- Innocent, Oldfield & Hegerland Julia Delaney, Bothy Band Rasta Girl, Sister Carol Genesis, Jorma K I Wish You Peace, Lawrence Laughing Do Your Thing, Moondog large . . music garden . . veryall peace them hiStarhouse - main Time Traveler's Guide
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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: PocketLady]
#21863516 - 06/27/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would say that everyone is absolutely divine, however most do not realize this divinity. to me, enlightenment is about fully realizing and actualizing this inherent divinity. so in that sense, I think true enlightenment is quite rare at this time. however, enlightened or not, we are all always divine enlightenment doesn't really make us more divine, it just makes us fully aware of that divinity and through that awareness allows us to act as divinity, or something like that 
it's a tricky situation because saying "i am not enlightened" can act as a bit of a negative affirmation and strengthen the apparent separation there. but at the same time i think it's good to acknowledge if there is still more to go in terms of realization and spiritual unfolding. as PocketLady said, how many people are there who can enter Samadhi at will, or even moreso how many abide in Sahaja Samadhi (permanent Samadhi while functioning in the world) (to use one system's terminology)
it certainly feels good to affirm our inherent freedom, our peace, our love etc and i think this is good. but imo true enlightenment is more rare and it's not something i have attained. that said, perhaps in the future it will become much more commonplace on earth
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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: deff]
#21863537 - 06/27/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well said Deff
-------------------- Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity. The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death. Tomorrow, when resurrection comes, The heart that is not in love will fail the test. ~ Rumi The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny. ~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir
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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: deff]
#21863556 - 06/27/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yup, we all get off the path once in a while, and psychedelics may cheat us into thinking we are there because they distort our thinking often
But when we get back we got even more to learn than before, because now we can see where we are lacking in incorporating the light into our own life and other's lives around us.
Enlightenment wouldn't only be pleasant I think
First comes all the fear and doubt to a surface, may take years to resolve
Psychedelics just jump past that, but when you get back you still have to process it and you are no further than when you went in usually
Because you still have you clear your mind and process all the old stuff that now comes to surface
There are lots of ways to get on track, and lots of ways to get off track
Even though it is effortless being oneself :-)
But enlightenment is more I believe, if you are 100% in contact with God at all times, I believe you would feel an enormeous responsibility that you can hardly ever fulfill
It will take years of work to learn to accept that you cannot cure the world, you'd be lucky to cure a few people around you, and then learn to accept that any change you make is a good change
We all get lazy once in a while, but that is not really natural, natural is to have excessive energy I remember :-P Laziness is not a virtue, it is something we have to transcend, anything that makes us lazy is not good for us, usually brings us ignorance.
We will have to learn our whole life, and enlightenment usually seems to happen after multiple lifetimes , if ever fully
I believe you may "be reborn" in contact with god if you meditate enough, many hours each day like one said, but you will have to learn to live in balance still - even if it looks effortless
The universe will throw obstacles at you in your life, and make any contentness fade if just for a moment when things don't go your way. Even really optimistic people.
By our actions, by our pureness of thought and speak we can measure our progress to some extent, but noone gets there permanently it looks like
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they will not agree, and probably not like you for saying it.
Just because they don't agree and aren't happy about being told that, doesn't mean it's not true . In order to escape the illusion, first one has to realise one is bound by it, surely?
Incidentally, I don't think someone who was enlightened would really care whether or not they were liked by someone.
-------------------- Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity. The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death. Tomorrow, when resurrection comes, The heart that is not in love will fail the test. ~ Rumi The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny. ~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir
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it is perfect and infinite peace and health. once you see that, you no longer try to prevent others from seeing it.
to say to anyone, 'you are bound,' is never an aid to the solution - trust me. go to work and say to your co-workers, 'hey buddy, you're all bound by maya,'
they will not agree, and probably not like you for saying it.
anytime you smirk with the knowing look that says, 'oh you fool,' you're not there, not even any where close -
yet at the same time, it is there for you at any time.
Just because they don't agree and aren't happy about being told that, doesn't mean it's not true . In order to escape the illusion, first one has to realise one is bound by it, surely?
Incidentally, I don't think someone who was enlightened would really care whether or not they were liked by someone.
-------------------- Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity. The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death. Tomorrow, when resurrection comes, The heart that is not in love will fail the test. ~ Rumi The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny. ~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir
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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: PocketLady]
#21863594 - 06/27/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The lessons life gives us aren't always pleasant, but they are always what we need.
-------------------- Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity. The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death. Tomorrow, when resurrection comes, The heart that is not in love will fail the test. ~ Rumi The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny. ~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir
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Re: how one knows if one is enlightened [Re: PocketLady]
#21863600 - 06/27/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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live at the source.
-------------------- Innocent, Oldfield & Hegerland Julia Delaney, Bothy Band Rasta Girl, Sister Carol Genesis, Jorma K I Wish You Peace, Lawrence Laughing Do Your Thing, Moondog large . . music garden . . veryall peace them hiStarhouse - main Time Traveler's Guide
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life is light - infinite and free,
there is no bondage or illusion - the thought of it is the only illusion..
there is infinite life, light and love available at any moment.
it is very easy.
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i posted those but then deleted them; it was better without them.
that's okay though.
the point is - trying to teach others about peace before one has gotten there is not so good, and yet it all resolves. ..
that is why it is best to seek the source, attain it in full - and then share what one has found - the way home.
-------------------- Innocent, Oldfield & Hegerland Julia Delaney, Bothy Band Rasta Girl, Sister Carol Genesis, Jorma K I Wish You Peace, Lawrence Laughing Do Your Thing, Moondog large . . music garden . . veryall peace them hiStarhouse - main Time Traveler's Guide
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