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sarahnya
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I think it's scary because you don't remember who or what you are sometimes. So if it presents you with something frightening you can't just talk yourself down as you don't even know what you are anymore and what you're seeing is your only reality at the time.
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Re: Saaalviaaa !!!! [Re: sarahnya]
#21937703 - 07/13/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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but if you dont know who you are how do you know what scares you?
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Re: Saaalviaaa !!!! [Re: healing]
#21937745 - 07/13/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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idk i have had alot of salvia experiences in my time of use and i think its simply how well you handle things. i have had trips that if someone else had they probably would freak out and stop enjoying it. I find it interesting no matter what "scary" things it shows me or puts me through.
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sarahnya
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Trust me,when youre being torn apart,it still scares you even if you think youre a bit of plaster on the wall at the time lol
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Re: Saaalviaaa !!!! [Re: sarahnya]
#21938139 - 07/13/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont feel this feeling as fear just intensity. I have experienced merges with walls and being slowly ripped apart. I wasnt scared just intensely interested in what was going on. theres a hesitation to experience it again after use but that comes with all things psychedelic.
also i use plain leaf and i dose accordingly. extracts just sound like too much no matter what
Edited by Trichome_Delta9 (07/13/15 04:49 PM)
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Re: Saaalviaaa !!!! [Re: sarahnya]
#21938274 - 07/13/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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sarahnya said: Trust me,when youre being torn apart,it still scares you even if you think youre a bit of plaster on the wall at the time lol
I've done salvia hundreds of times and I've never had a scary experience.
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Re: Saaalviaaa !!!! [Re: healing]
#21939673 - 07/13/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think that salvia is one of the best drugs someone can do. It shows you that you really aren't shit its a shotgun blast to your ego and sends you to other dimensions where these sinister cartoon beings play catch with you. Its pretty fucking crazy.
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I think it's the uncomfortable body high I get that gives me the torn apart images, because that's what it feels like!
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Re: Saaalviaaa !!!! [Re: sarahnya]
#21940097 - 07/14/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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you got to let go. that is all it takes to enjoy it i think.
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I like the tactile hallucinations. They feel relaxing, like a massage.
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Re: Saaalviaaa !!!! [Re: sarahnya]
#21940537 - 07/14/15 03:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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sarahnya said: I think it's the uncomfortable body high I get that gives me the torn apart images, because that's what it feels like!
I feel fucking horrible on salvia. I've only tried the extracts not the leaf though. It's as if I'm constantly falling backwards while being all disorientated. I would much rather smoke dmt but I guess I should give salvia another go eventually
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I absolutely hated salvia - until I smoked plain leaf. Wish I'd never ever tried the concentrates, which take me straight into an uncontrollable dysphoric place. Plain leaf is much more tolerable, yet effective.
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I just couldn’t find anything pleasurable about Salvia which is strange because many a time had you seen me on it you would have seen me laughing like a lunatic. The plain leaf wasn't a terrible experience I suppose but scarcely worth the horrible taste and side effects. I fear it was the most real and honest interpretation of reality that a drug has ever afforded me, but if that’s the matrix tbh I’d rather not know about it! People might say that we are not supposed to ‘enjoy’ something like salvia and that these are serious sacred learning experiences but you gotta give me something, some reason to come back!
I have experienced the true meaning of terror and insanity with certain psychedelics but I still went back to them eventually because I was after all utterly fascinated by them and missed the experience. They were too incredible to part with and in good times unmatched by anything in this world aesthetically and artistically.
Salvia is fascinating only in hind sight as I cannot feel fascinated or interested in something if I am not aware of who, what, where, why, and when I am. In this the experience is very much like Datura. I was beyond the capacity to feel interested in anything as while I was hallucinating I had totally forgotten I had taken something anyway. All I felt was fear and confusion combined with an overwhelming sense of my own, and our own, cosmic insignificance. Honestly, how do you in any way enjoy something like that, or feel even slightly interested in what is happening, if you have no idea what you are or what is happening?
For me reality was somehow characterized by some huge emotionless/soulless industrial machine of which we were/are all a part, but in and of ourselves utterly without any meaning or significance whatsoever. It’s very hard to put into words but even a nihilistic atheist with severe depression could surely not get near to what I experienced that day in terms of feelings of utter insignificance. One fascinating aspect of the experience was that it was as if my conscious mind had fliped places with my subconcious, and that I was now only subconsciously aware of my normal every day consciousness. It was for this reason that I was still able to feel terror I think, as if I had had no idea whatsoever who, where, or what I was and genuinely believed myself to actually be an inanimate object I dont see why I would have been so distressed. Even my terror was distant and far away.
Salvia was the most 'real' hallucinogenic experience I have ever experienced as if I saw the world and human life for what it was and that sobriety and sanity was the delusion. It was pretty much just as when Neo woke up in reality to find that it was a total shit hole. Tottally different too of course!
DMT hyperspace for me had this matrix machine too (again totally diffrent) but with DMT there at least seem to be entities and creatures present who are with you even if hostile, mechanical alien machines, but not the godless and vacant machines -of which I was a part- as with Salvias wretched wasteland.
One thing I glimpsed in hyperspace was that we are occupied kept busy and distracted in life, with all the things we love and want such as drugs, food, and sex but that really there is a hidden purpose behind it all (mecahinal machines/aliens) which our existence and continuous reproduction is somehow serving to sustain. It was basically the matrix where Neo is told that humans are just batteries or sources of energy for much bigger machines. I honestly belevie the movie was based on DMT though, and not my experience with DMT, the movie! DMT aside from being aesthetically astonishing (understatement) at the same time leaves enough of your ego and sense of reality intact to be able to appreciate and observe what is actually happening and I guess for me that this is its saving grace. It is enticing intellectually as even if it’s very often not at all enjoyable and downright unpleasant at times, it still retains the capacity to be enjoyable and is a thrilling emotional roller-coaster.
What else in my life even gets close to an experience of that magnitude?
Salvia just didn’t give me any reason to go back. It was interesting to ponder on looking back, but at the time I disliked everything about it from the taste to its own brand of silent terror and at the end of the day it just doesn’t interest me emotionally nor intellectually.
I am guilty of over-romanticizing the psychedelic experience at times, because it can be truly hideous, but I draw the line with things like salvia. There has to be some pleasure there somewhere.
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Edited by wolf8312 (07/17/15 08:46 AM)
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sarahnya
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sarahnya said: I think it's the uncomfortable body high I get that gives me the torn apart images, because that's what it feels like!
I feel fucking horrible on salvia. I've only tried the extracts not the leaf though. It's as if I'm constantly falling backwards while being all disorientated. I would much rather smoke dmt but I guess I should give salvia another go eventually
Did you actually hallucinate at all? When I smoke it I always lay back and close my eyes. It's the horrible pins and needles feeling I get all over my body I can't stand but I don't always get it but when I do it's terrible, I even have it on my tongue lol
The hallucinations are really realistic, it's like you're actually there, kinda like Ayahuasca but f*cked up. Ive never had a panic attack or anything but I often don't know what I am anymore and have this impending sense of doom.
I find it kinda interesting
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Re: Saaalviaaa !!!! [Re: sarahnya]
#21942079 - 07/14/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I get strong bodily energy flow on salvia like induced chi flow.
Resets opioid system being kappa-opioid.
Not so confusing with a relationship of trust that goes both ways.
Show truthful respect and the whirligig sings into a wu wei type state.
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Re: Saaalviaaa !!!! [Re: wolf8312]
#21942553 - 07/14/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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wolf8312 said: I just couldn’t find anything pleasurable about Salvia which is strange because many a time had you seen me on it you would have seen me laughing like a lunatic. The plain leaf wasn't a terrible experience I suppose but scarcely worth the horrible taste and side effects. I fear it was the most real and honest interpretation of reality that a drug has ever afforded me, but if that’s the matrix tbh I’d rather not know about it! People might say that we are not supposed to ‘enjoy’ something like salvia and that these are serious sacred learning experiences but you gotta give me something, some reason to come back!
I have experienced the true meaning of terror and insanity with certain psychedelics but I still went back to them eventually because I was after all utterly fascinated by them and missed the experience. They were too incredible to part with and in good times unmatched by anything in this world aesthetically and artistically.
Salvia is fascinating only in hind sight as I cannot feel fascinated or interested in something if I am not aware of who, what, where, why, and when I am. In this the experience is very much like Datura. I was beyond the capacity to feel interested in anything as while I was hallucinating I had totally forgotten I had taken something anyway. All I felt was fear and confusion combined with an overwhelming sense of my own, and our own, cosmic insignificance. Honestly, how do you in any way enjoy something like that, or feel even slightly interested in what is happening, if you have no idea what you are or what is happening?
For me reality was somehow characterized by some huge emotionless/soulless industrial machine of which we were/are all a part, but in and of ourselves utterly without any meaning or significance whatsoever. It’s very hard to put into words but even a nihilistic atheist with severe depression could surely not get near to what I experienced that day in terms of feelings of utter insignificance. One fascinating aspect of the experience was that it was as if my conscious mind had fliped places with my subconcious, and that I was now only subconsciously aware of my normal every day consciousness. It was for this reason that I was still able to feel terror I think, as if I had had no idea whatsoever who, where, or what I was and genuinely believed myself to actually be an inanimate object I dont see why I would have been so distressed. Even my terror was distant and far away.
Salvia was the most 'real' hallucinogenic experience I have ever experienced as if I saw the world and human life for what it was and that sobriety and sanity was the delusion. It was pretty much just as when Neo woke up in reality to find that it was a total shit hole. Tottally different too of course!
DMT hyperspace for me had this matrix machine too (again totally diffrent) but with DMT there at least seem to be entities and creatures present who are with you even if hostile, mechanical alien machines, but not the godless and vacant machines -of which I was a part- as with Salvias wretched wasteland.
One thing I glimpsed in hyperspace was that we are occupied kept busy and distracted in life, with all the things we love and want such as drugs, food, and sex but that really there is a hidden purpose behind it all (mecahinal machines/aliens) which our existence and continuation reproduction is somehow serving to sustain. It was basically the matrix where Neo is told that humans are just batteries or sources of energy for much bigger machines. I honestly belevie the movie was based on DMT though, and not my experience with DMT, the movie! DMT aside from being aesthetically astonishing (understatement) at the same time leaves enough of your ego and sense of reality intact to be able to appreciate and observe what is actually happening and I guess for me that this is its saving grace. It is enticing intellectually as even if it’s very often not at all enjoyable and downright unpleasant at times, it still retains the capacity to be enjoyable and is a thrilling emotional roller-coaster.
What else in my life even gets close to an experience of that magnitude?
Salvia just didn’t give me any reason to go back. It was interesting to ponder on looking back, but at the time I disliked everything about it from the taste to its own brand of silent terror and at the end of the day it just doesn’t interest me emotionally nor intellectually.
I am guilty of over-romanticizing the psychedelic experience at times, because it can be truly hideous, but I draw the line with things like salvia. There has to be some pleasure there somewhere.
reading that I get that you had a great experience with salvia. dont judge salvia on one experience every trip is very different but they have similarities.
if you havent experienced lady salvia/sally i suggest smoking plain leaf until that happens. i can see how some would be turned off quickly by this substance but it really is different every trip.
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Re: Saaalviaaa !!!! [Re: wolf8312]
#21955182 - 07/17/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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if you havent experienced lady salvia/sally i suggest smoking plain leaf until that happens. i can see how some would be turned off quickly by this substance but it really is different every trip.
Sorry dude but as I said in the OP.
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wolf8312 said: The plain leaf wasn't a terrible experience I suppose but scarcely worth the horrible taste and side effects.
Why do I get the feeling that perhaps you didnt read the post properly!
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Re: Saaalviaaa !!!! [Re: wolf8312]
#21955359 - 07/17/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i read that just didnt realize you said it.
in some of my salvia posts in other threads i feel like the taste adds to my trip greatly.
I have not done extracts so i dont know how different they are but i like the plain leaf mixed wit a bowl of cannabis takes away that flavor and keeps the salvia from getting too intense.
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