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DEA Agent stole bitcoins from Silk Road investigation * 5
    #21855697 - 06/25/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

24 June 2015

Two U.S. agents have been found guilty of stealing hundreds of thousands worth of bitcoins during Silk Road investigations.

Carl Mark Force IV, a former agent with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, has struck a plea deal with prosecutors this week over the charge of stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars in bitcoins during the government's Silk Road investigations.

Force will now face a hearing July 1, where he will plead guilty to charges of money laundering, extortion and obstruction of justice. However, it has not been revealed what sentence the former-DEA agent exchanged for the pleas.

This is the second former DEA official to plead guilty of stealing bitcoins during investigations into Silk Road – the online black market best known for selling illegal drugs. Last week former-U.S. secret service agent Shaun Bridges also accepted a plea deal for similar charges, and resigned from his position at the beginning of the investigation.

Force has been accused of opening unauthorized undercover identities, selling information about the investigation to those who may be implicated with the website, and freezing the bitcoin accounts of Silk Road customers and then transferring the money to his personal account. He has also been accused of committing questionable acts against other bitcoin users and companies unrelated to the Silk Road investigations.

According to prosecutors, Force stole nearly US$1 million worth of bitcoins in these dirty dealings.

Bridges was accused of similar crimes, mainly using administrative credentials to block dealers on Silk Road from using their accounts and reverting the money to his personal account, in which he reportedly earned at least US$820,000 worth of bitcoins.

Both Bridge and Force were part of a Baltimore team of special investigators, however they appear to have acted separately in their own scams, reported Sputnik.

Silk Road operated for over two years, but was shut down by U.S. officials in June 2013. The site's creator Ross Ulbricht – otherwise known as 'Dread Pirate Roberts' – was sentenced to life in prison in May, even though prosecutors only asked for the minimum sentence of 20 years.

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Second-DEA-Agent-Pleads-Guilty-to-Bitcoin-Theft--20150624-0007.html


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Re: DEA Agent stole bitcoins from Silk Road investigation [Re: Ogla]
    #21855866 - 06/25/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yep no surprises there. Those dirty fuckers are just cartel members with US federal badges. Fucked up shit.


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Re: DEA Agent stole bitcoins from Silk Road investigation [Re: Ogla] * 1
    #21856354 - 06/25/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Personally, I think they should go into the cell right next to Ross Ulbricht, for the exact same amount of time.

Fuck 'em both.

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Re: DEA Agent stole bitcoins from Silk Road investigation [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21856381 - 06/25/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Personally, I think they should go into the cell right next to Ross Ulbricht, for the exact same amount of time.

Fuck 'em both.

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Re: DEA Agent stole bitcoins from Silk Road investigation [Re: PlantSeeker]
    #21856433 - 06/25/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Just as every cop is criminal, and all the sinners saints...


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Re: DEA Agent stole bitcoins from Silk Road investigation [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21858073 - 06/26/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Nature Boy said:
Personally, I think they should go into the cell right next to Ross Ulbricht, for the exact same amount of time.

Fuck 'em both.

N.B.




True... Instead they throw a guy with a long education into jail for life, physics student with a masters degree in physics

- For a victimless crime

The guy even spoke daily about freedom and the gov's controls, almost like Snowden in some way, freedom to ones own body as long as not hurting others and a few more things

Corruption is deep in our society, but unfortunately society cannot see it, only excentric people like you and me/other rebels can see it

That's why these 2 cops will get 1-2 years or so, while Ross Ulbricht gets life in prison for a victimless crime, he earned that money on a marketplace he built, he didn't steal them

The Cops stole their money, and laundered them.


There is nothing wrong with an anonymous marketplace, you cannot regulate everything, it must be up to the buyer/seller to make sure what they do is legal. The guy basically started an anonymous ebay, but forgot to make the full Legal Agreement (one that is acceptable to the Gov), so he got life in prison

He also helped the bitcoin economy a lot, bitcoins rose a lot when Silkroad operated, hundreds of %'s. Bitcoin is a totally free currency.

Silkroad didn't only sell illegal items, you could buy many things there. So I hope they take down ebay and craigslist for selling drugs soon too - because drugs used to be found there as well


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Re: DEA Agent stole bitcoins from Silk Road investigation [Re: lessismore]
    #21858257 - 06/26/15 01:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

There's only one type of person that has worse chances of being in prison than a child molester, and that is a cop.

Cops are held to a higher standard, and if a cop breaks the law he should receive very harsh sentencing because he KNOWS right from wrong, and is trying to use the system to his advantage.


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Re: DEA Agent stole bitcoins from Silk Road investigation [Re: Ogla]
    #21858317 - 06/26/15 01:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Why am I not the least bit surprised?

And doubtful these guys will see a single day of jail time. When they should be locked away just as Ross Ulbricht was.


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Re: DEA Agent stole bitcoins from Silk Road investigation [Re: Shroomism]
    #21858319 - 06/26/15 01:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Please keep this updated when they're "sentenced".


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Re: DEA Agent stole bitcoins from Silk Road investigation [Re: Buck513]
    #21858338 - 06/26/15 01:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

money laundering, extortion of over 1 million dollars and obstruction of justice... anyone else would be looking at some SERIOUS fucking federal time for those charges. These guys will get a slap on the wrist.

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Cops are held to a higher standard, and if a cop breaks the law he should receive very harsh sentencing because he KNOWS right from wrong, and is trying to use the system to his advantage.





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Re: DEA Agent stole bitcoins from Silk Road investigation [Re: Shroomism]
    #21858370 - 06/26/15 02:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Office space
Be here now
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The matrix

on Ulbricht's facebook page

and then speaking about personal freedom daily on SR - right to ones own body, he didn't really seem like the guy that hires a hitman once or twice

I mean, why risk your education, a masters degree in physics, by hiring a hitman directly?


But the whole "hitman" thing rings a bell in the population, brings fear in the population, then it's good we jail him for life
They also say you could find childporn and guns there, more fear to the people, and people died from his actions


Military style rumors, social disinformation agents


One of the reasons he got life is they claim he tried to hire a hitman, but noone was found murdered it turned out..


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Re: DEA Agent stole bitcoins from Silk Road investigation [Re: lessismore]
    #21858543 - 06/26/15 04:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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True... Instead they throw a guy with a long education into jail for life, physics student with a masters degree in physics

- For a victimless crime




Don't misunderstand me here...I ranted like a wild man over Ross Ulbricht's sentence.  I'm dead set against putting any drug offender in jail.  What I was trying to say was the FBI scum should be treated as harshly and wrongly as the Dread Pirate Roberts.

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Re: DEA Agent stole bitcoins from Silk Road investigation [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21859161 - 06/26/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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What I was trying to say was the FBI scum should be treated as harshly and wrongly as the Dread Pirate Roberts.







I think Ross deserves much more time than the FBI agents that were stealing bitcoins.

Ross tried to have multiple people killed, and the FBI just stole money.


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Re: DEA Agent stole bitcoins from Silk Road investigation [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #21859261 - 06/26/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Ross tried to have multiple people killed



I don't see what makes the government so special :paranoid:


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Re: DEA Agent stole bitcoins from Silk Road investigation [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #21859320 - 06/26/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

Nature Boy said:
What I was trying to say was the FBI scum should be treated as harshly and wrongly as the Dread Pirate Roberts.







I think Ross deserves much more time than the FBI agents that were stealing bitcoins.

Ross tried to have multiple people killed, and the FBI just stole money.




That is only if you can trust that "evidence" you claim is right

It turned out they couldn't trust it, it was just a joke/rumor, noone got hired

Or the dea agent got hired, but I don't think they charged him with it...


Because they wrote there was no murder and no proof it seemed, iirc they let the charges go

maybe just DEA propaganda?


If you want a man to go down, say he is a child molestor or gangster / hires hitmen
but Ross had a whole family and big community to support him, many people have donated to him and wrote him personally on facebook

He didn't look like a guy that hires hitmen


It is normal to joke about hiring hitmen though, many people do joke with that when they're 10 years old on IRC - that's how crackers/hackers start often. Brag about who can do most and the coolest ways. "Swatting" is another cool term, send swat teams to people's houses.


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Re: DEA Agent stole bitcoins from Silk Road investigation [Re: lessismore]
    #21859414 - 06/26/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Anyway I want to hear what sentence these feds get, if they don't get at least the same sentence as Dread Pirate Roberts , then that's gross police state yet again

Keep updating the thread when there are trials being done


A cop should know the law and be trustable, so even stricter sentences should apply to them than DPR.
Also the amount of money is a severe circumstance, lots of money they stole. In my country that money stolen and laundered may give 20-30 years prison. But then you should add that these are law people, gov people, so the sentence should be even stricter...

And they are faking evidence as well... obstructing it, redirecting it...

A double up of highest penalty for money laundering should apply at least


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Re: DEA Agent stole bitcoins from Silk Road investigation [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #21859691 - 06/26/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Ross tried to have multiple people killed, and the FBI just stole money.




No one ever got so much as a scratch on account of Ross U.  Tried to and DID do are VERY, VERY different.  Our GOVERNMENT on the other hand, has tortured people, assassinated  people, and just out and out murdered folks time and again.  And lets not forget the immorality of MKULTRA - dosing people on LSD without their knowledge or consent, just for ONE small additional example.

In all the world (with the possible exception of A. Hitler) no one has more blood on it's hands and has actually performed acts in a more consistent, reprehensible, indefensible way for a longer period of time than the United States Government.  Period.  The U.S. is peerless in that regard.  And you want to hold that up against the antics of one private citizen???

Your argument is without merit.

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Re: DEA Agent stole bitcoins from Silk Road investigation [Re: Nature Boy] * 1
    #21859896 - 06/26/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I got a bit offended by that statement too, because I apparently don't trust the Gov 100% like Alan Rockefeller seemingly does

I have always had faith in society though, but not really US laws, EU is much better

That Alan can say something like that, as a trusted cultivator, that is strange
Are you a cop Alan? - I think it's not the first time I've heard you say stuff like this, you said it in the other threads on Silkroad too iirc


You trust evidence delivered by guys that now are convicted as being malicious/fraudster cops


I would certainly have expected more of a TC, they usually don't just believe in anything

Because the Gov says there is maybe evidence, then it must be true?

And then the Gov removes said evidence, but still gives the person life?


To say that because the transcript spoke about hitmen, without proof, that he hired hitmen, is nonsense IMO
Don't eat so many shrooms Alan


I don't agree with a life sentence to DPR, I don't believe jail is a good thing for drug offenders.
I don't agree with US laws
And I don't trust the US gov fully, I trust it partially, therefore I will never make my mind up 100% about something the gov says, I have seen a corrupt Gov and Gov official more than once - both in the US and EU. In Indonesia they just shot a few guys that smuggled Marijuana - that is death sentence there.

So the gov is always right?

Yes if you believe your highschool teacher... , being critical would help in many situations
The gov is more often about control than justice , there's injustice in just about all systems we got, even the sick and poor cannot get help  or complain often

Rottenness is everywhere in society, so trusting the Gov 100% so easily like that, to a person who just got life in prison for apparently non-violent crimes amazes me

In my country some of the most rotten people are often state officials, and in many other countries. Just very few people are aware of it. They are just as rotten as people in society usually. They buy $1000 jackets and $500 shoes while the poor lay in the street and die.


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Re: DEA Agent stole bitcoins from Silk Road investigation [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #21860593 - 06/26/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Alan Rockefeller said:
Quote:

Nature Boy said:
What I was trying to say was the FBI scum should be treated as harshly and wrongly as the Dread Pirate Roberts.







I think Ross deserves much more time than the FBI agents that were stealing bitcoins.

Ross tried to have multiple people killed, and the FBI just stole money.



I think these guys right here in this story are the so-called hitmen.

He wasn't convicted for murder, and until he is his sentence shouldn't be the same as if he was.


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Re: DEA Agent stole bitcoins from Silk Road investigation [Re: lessismore]
    #21860722 - 06/26/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Because the Gov says there is maybe evidence, then it must be true?

And then the Gov removes said evidence, but still gives the person life?





I don't think the government made up this evidence out of thin air.  There's lots of chat logs and files from Ross's computer.

Whether or not Ross was serious is in question - perhaps the fact that he didn't get charged with attempted murder indicates that he wasn't.


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