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TheLoopIs

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Setup recommendations please!
#21855529 - 06/25/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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So my setup is kinda janky the pictures attached do most of the explaining. I've had two cakes in FC for a week and a day but no pins yet! could I be doing something horribly wrong or do I just need more patience?
my growth parameters inside FC are: temp; 72-74 92- humidity I'm not misting or fanning really.
My heater is set up a foot away from the FC and then I got a humidifier right next to it. I know that sounds crazy but i figured since its pumping out a lot of air through the fans on top (that u can see in pic) It actually dramatically increases airflow!
Any suggestions/tips/praising is appreciate thank you in advance!
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Inocuole
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Re: Setup recommendations please! [Re: TheLoopIs]
#21855707 - 06/25/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You should really mist. Also the heater is a waste if it's not colder than 65 in there and the humidifier is a waste because the only place humidity matters is within 1cm from the surface of the cakes. That doesn't look like enough perlite or enough holes for that box.
That heater is WAY too close to those jars too. Not sure where you live but it's almost July...
-bigger box -more holes -more perlite -more mist -less electronics
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SteveRogers
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Re: Setup recommendations please! [Re: Inocuole]
#21855775 - 06/25/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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heed the wind fish's advice. Get that heater outta there, mist, and fan regularly. Also, I personally would not colonize jars with a humidifier blowing on them. Wet filters are bad news.
Good luck to you.
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Inocuole
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Re: Setup recommendations please! [Re: SteveRogers]
#21855819 - 06/25/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fanning doesn't matter with adequate FAE. It's misting that's really important.
Also if you rolled those in verm after birthing them it doesn't look like quite enough stuck to them. You want them looking like you just deep fried them in fish fry they're so covered in verm.
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jbaby007
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Re: Setup recommendations please! [Re: SteveRogers]
#21855828 - 06/25/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Use the KISS method. Keep it simple stupid  Seriously though. Listen to Inocuole, and yeah it's like fucking 90 here, I'd hate to even think about turning on a heater. My ac be on blast almost 24/7 and my mushies are perfectly fine.
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Inocuole
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Re: Setup recommendations please! [Re: jbaby007]
#21855833 - 06/25/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The heater is fine if it's really that cold. We don't know where he lives. He could be growing these up on the North Pole for Santa to bring to all the good little girls and boys.
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SteveRogers
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Re: Setup recommendations please! [Re: Inocuole]
#21855846 - 06/25/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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haha indeed. I hope I was good enough this year to get a stocking full of clone candidates. Either way get it away from the shelves with the FC and colonizing jars. Heat the room not the jars.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Setup recommendations please! [Re: SteveRogers]
#21855862 - 06/25/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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just watch the damn brf tek video and do that.
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jbaby007
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Re: Setup recommendations please! [Re: Inocuole]
#21855880 - 06/25/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can even imagine being surrounded by snow year round. That would suck balls. If that is the case though, tell Santa to bring me the winning lottery numbers.
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TheLoopIs

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Re: Setup recommendations please! [Re: jbaby007]
#21858892 - 06/26/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks guys that helped A TON!!! Why is having the heater so close to jars dangerous? without the heater the temp is around 64-65:/.... Doesn't myc colonize much faster in the mid 70's-80s? Iv always had extremely slow colonization so I really don't want to let go of the heater unless u guys think I need to with good reason:P
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Inocuole
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Re: Setup recommendations please! [Re: TheLoopIs]
#21859041 - 06/26/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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64-65 is fine when the alternative is giving bacteria and mold a better climate to work with.
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Mad Season
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Re: Setup recommendations please! [Re: Inocuole]
#21859055 - 06/26/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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also will seriously mess up the rh. You want barely any airflow. A sgfc is supposed to change with the air currents and pressures in the room.
I was on your previous thread in the contamination forum, and told you it was too dry and needed more misting/perlite work. I had no idea you had a heater next to the chamber. That is also another reason they're dry.
Edited by Mad Season (06/26/15 01:36 PM)
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TheLoopIs

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Re: Setup recommendations please! [Re: Mad Season]
#21864320 - 06/27/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I followed all your advice especially yours mad season! And the cakes started producing lots of pins after one day I am baffled by this info though…" you want barely any airflow. A SGFC is supposed to change with the air currents and pressures in the room" Barely any airflow??? WH a? Can you explain the logic behind got more? I gave a good soak and fluffed up my perlite. Does anyone know the actual process going on with the airflow in a SCFG? Does air come from the bottom holes and rise to the top?How does it do tha, and why do we want that?for evaporation?
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Re: Setup recommendations please! [Re: TheLoopIs]
#21864326 - 06/27/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
TheLoopIs said: I followed all your advice especially yours mad season! And the cakes started producing lots of pins after one day I am baffled by this info though…" you want barely any airflow. A SGFC is supposed to change with the air currents and pressures in the room" Barely any airflow??? WH a? Can you explain the logic behind got more? I gave a good soak and fluffed up my perlite. Does anyone know the actual process going on with the airflow in a SCFG? Does air come from the bottom holes and rise to the top?How does it do tha, and why do we want that?for evaporation?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19279962#19279962
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filthyknees
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Re: Setup recommendations please! [Re: bodhisatta]
#21865353 - 06/27/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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watch how close that heater is. any closer than like a foot and a half at a high temp setting and your grain jars will get dry on the side facing the heater and be left unable to fully colonize
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
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Mad Season
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Re: Setup recommendations please! [Re: filthyknees]
#21865369 - 06/27/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pardon? Unable to fully colonize? Is that just a typo cause you're stoned? Lol
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TheLoopIs

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Re: Setup recommendations please! [Re: Mad Season]
#21872919 - 06/29/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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maybe thats why my rye sub has been takin so long to colonize?:0 @mad season are u saying that filthyknees is incorrect?
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Mad Season
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Re: Setup recommendations please! [Re: TheLoopIs]
#21872985 - 06/29/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Once you're in a sgfc it doesn't need to colonize. It should be fully colonized in fruiting.
Also why would it get dry on one side during colonization? It should be almost sealed up. Very little gas exchange will be occurring. Definitely not enough for one side to get dry
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Inocuole
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Re: Setup recommendations please! [Re: Mad Season]
#21874445 - 06/29/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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@Mad it was said they would get dry if the heater was less than 2 feet away which is correct because a heated solid with liquids immersed will still evaporate through the top of the jar.
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filthyknees
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Re: Setup recommendations please! [Re: Mad Season]
#21874454 - 06/29/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was stoned but I speak from experience. I'm not talking about sgfc's, I've never used one. Strictly saying grain jars will get dried out from excessive heat (too close to a heater) and imagine what happens when the grain gets DRY (the myc cannot colonize it). I figured if an air temp directly next to the jars read 75 degrees that my jars would colonize fast (like using an incubator), I was wrong, it was too close and the moisture content got thrown way off.
I've lost dozens of jars this way - not that it was contaminated - but why would I use a stalled 80% jar? Maybe I could have tapped the dry grain out then spawned but that is far from ideal. 
all that to say watch how close the heater is from the jars especially on high heat settings - about a foot and a half
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
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