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Cactus ID help. Maybe T.peruvianus?
#21855083 - 06/25/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi folks,
today I recieved some new cacti. I'm pretty excited, because they have been sold as Echinopsis pachanoi, and as I already have a few pachanoi I'm pretty sure these are not.
I think and hope they are T.peruvianus. The blueish color and the long radial spines, not really getting white towards the bottom, make me believe this.
//edit: Additional I found (MOD EDIT: Removed non sponsor link), and it makes me believe it's a true peruvianus even more.
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What do you think? Here are some pictures. I got five of them, these are the biggest two I managed to repot today.
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Edited by karode13 (06/25/15 07:12 PM)
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Re: Cactus ID help. Maybe T.peruvianus? [Re: Pandemoon] 2
#21856682 - 06/25/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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They looks like what gets sold in Europe as T. pachanoi. A few European members here have posted similar looking cactus in the past. I'd keep calling that until such time as it's clear it's not one. It does resemble one of my T. peruvianus though.
I had to remove that non sponsor link as well. You can't link to non sponsors, part of the forum rules.
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Re: Cactus ID help. Maybe T.peruvianus? [Re: karode13]
#21858356 - 06/26/15 02:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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karode13 said: They looks like what gets sold in Europe as T. pachanoi. A few European members here have posted similar looking cactus in the past. I'd keep calling that until such time as it's clear it's not one. It does resemble one of my T. peruvianus though.
I had to remove that non sponsor link as well. You can't link to non sponsors, part of the forum rules.
Thanks for your reply. So you think this is a T.pachanoi.. hm, that's quite interesting. I didn't think so, but thank you. I respect your knowledge in cactus, karode13! 
And sorry for that unallowed link. I didn't realize it is a vendor, just found the comparison pictures helpfull.
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Re: Cactus ID help. Maybe T.peruvianus? [Re: Pandemoon] 1
#21858575 - 06/26/15 04:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those kind of cacti are sold around EU as pachanoi/peruvianus. (based on label)
However, peruvianus labeled ones have similar appearace each another and t. pachanoi labeled ones have similar appearance. Peruvianus label ones have dark spikes, pachanoi label ones tend to have white-grey coloration(maybe honey-style color as well) to spines with random reddish-brown on them. Peruvianus have almost totally dark brown-red spines. ¨
Both labels tend to have blue skin. Some have more, some less.
Cuttings may be labeled as peruvianus. There are still difference with spikes. T. Peruvianus is littlebit dfferent than pachanoi ones. But same labeled species have similar style of spines and ofc phenotype differences.
There are lots of clones around in EU. Bigger san pedro cuttings usually have smaller spikes, but those seedlings grow small/big spikes randomly.
If you didn't had label on it. It's hard to say anything what it is. Looks like what karode says. There are lots of t. pachanoi labeled seedlings and plants similar to pics. They have very little difference between those pachanoi and peruvianus. Especially if they are younger and you don't have other specimens to compare.
Hard to say, they have their own characteristics behind labels anyway. Pachanoi spination is different than peruvianus labeled ones, even tho they look very similar to each another.
I say they might be peruvianus labeled ones. They have more knobby ribs and aeroles tend to be more closer to each another. BUT: I can't say 100% sure. It might be "t. pachanoi"
Anyway, it's most likely trichocereus most people want to grow. wink..
Examples from my garden as labeled by vendors, I've got them as 3-4" seedlings. There are lots of phenotypes inside "pachanoi" and "peruvianus" plants anyway..
T. Pachanoi

T. Peruvianus #1

T. Peruvianus #2

T. Peruvianus "not real peruvianus" (Vendor said that to me)

Edited by intelligentlife (06/26/15 05:43 AM)
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Thank you!
I bought one bigger pachanoi -lookalike also from the same seller, right for comparison.
I managed to repot the remaining three cacti today. They all have been labled as Echinopsis pachanoi EP7200.
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In this picture there are five cacti. They are all new but number 2! Number 2 is one older T.pachanoi of mine, all the others are labled as E.pachanoi EP7200. Number 4 looks like a usual T.pachanoi to me (maybe pachanot?), but the others.. It's new to me that some T.pachanoi do produce such long and hard spines, and I just wanted to show you this picture, again for comparison (maximize the picture!).
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Re: Cactus ID help. Maybe T.peruvianus? [Re: Pandemoon] 1
#21858762 - 06/26/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think label is correct, they are just different phenotypes probably.
Looks to me 4 of them are seed grown and one maybe cutting of some sort. And you can't grow "pachanot" from seed anyway.
I can't say much because I don't know the vendor of yours anyway. They all look nice and fine specimens.
Afaik, "pachanot" is PC Clone san pedro. Not propagated by seeds, cuttings only. And it's rare to find them in EU. Some growers have it but there's more south american plants in the market and they vary lots by shape and appearance, especially from seed.
Edited by intelligentlife (06/26/15 07:29 AM)
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Thank you very much!
It's been a private auction on ebay, so the seller is no commercial "vendor" at all. That means I can't give you any more information, besides that they are labeled as E.pachanoi EP7200.
Well then, it seems those all are my pachanoi. The two to the left are cuttings I got a few months ago from a different source. All the others are new, from the same person. I really thought the five blue ones with the long spines are something else. But I love them anyway! I'm sure they will like it here, just like the others do. 
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