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Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties
    #21855075 - 06/25/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

After reading a lot of info on preparing Pan Pedro and Co I'm actually more confused than ever after reading so much conflicting information.

So far I've read reducing the brew 3 times makes it more potent as it removes more of the goodies but then I've read that this can actually do the opposite and reduce it.  I've heard Mescaline can't be damaged with heat, but also that it can.  Then of course there are arguments over which variety of cactus is more potent.

I'm really wanting to hear from people who've experimented and what they found to work best as Ive also read a lot of failed attempts which is not great considering how long it takes to grow them or how expensive it is to buy large cuttings.

One other thing I'm curious about, I've heard that Trichocereus Bridgesii has a higher mescaline content but then other people argue it's not actually stronger but it has MAOI inhibitors.  So whats the truth, do we know?  Also how do the MAOI effect the trip, does it change the nature similar to if you take them with mushrooms etc?


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21855189 - 06/25/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

well mescaline is pretty stable you dont have to worry very much about the heat. reducing it wont give you less mescaline it will only give you less luquid with the same amount of mescaline. and you dont reduce 3 times. you should boil the cactus and then pour the liquid through a t shirt 3 times then reduce the liquid from all 3 boils. and you should go for bridgesii because...... bridgesii is the bomb. and they say all cacti are somewhat different peyote pedro bridge peruvians all have different alkaloids


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #21855270 - 06/25/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks , I ordered 2 cuttings of each type so I guess I'll get to try them all.  I'll probably order another 6 next month.  I plan on growing a lot as it's such a slow process. 

Any idea on what size cutting would make a good dose of each variety, assuming Bridgesii is more potent.

Also how does mescaline make you feel, can you think straight and go explore a local park for example or will I need a sitter or take it at home?


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #21855320 - 06/25/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Just stick to medium-high heat, and be very careful during reduction... I don't know the temperature stability of all the goodies.

Bridgesii may not have the highest mescaline content but it is very reliable (perhaps in part due to the maoB inhibitor quercetin) and easy to I.d.

I think most failed attempts are caused by under dosing...

I was thinking pretty straight on Bridgesii.  Pretty speedy stuff.  I did "16 and wish I'd done a bit more.  But weight is more accurate than length due to girth variation.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21856102 - 06/25/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I use this cactus tek with good results: https://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_preparation5.shtml

I havent tried the other methods so I cant give a comparison but I can say that this works well and more complicated methods are not necessary.

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Thanks , I ordered 2 cuttings of each type so I guess I'll get to try them all.  I'll probably order another 6 next month.  I plan on growing a lot as it's such a slow process. 

Any idea on what size cutting would make a good dose of each variety, assuming Bridgesii is more potent.

Also how does mescaline make you feel, can you think straight and go explore a local park for example or will I need a sitter or take it at home?




You wont need a sitter, unless you are prone to bad trips/freaking out on psychedelics.

For me though, cactus has this weird body high that makes my body feel so heavy that I dont like to go exploring like I do with mushrooms. Even sitting up feels like too much work and I generally spend the trip laying down. You can think much better than on mushrooms though. I remember tripping very hard on cactus and having no problems disconnecting my laptop and then setting it back up upstairs. A couple of weeks later I tried to do the same thing on 6 grams of mushrooms and ended up stuck in a seemingly endless entanglement of wires for like 20 minutes unable to do anything but laugh at the hopelessness of the situation.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21856178 - 06/25/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Mescaline is easy on the mind. A very worthy experience. I'd start with bridgesii. It is the most consistent as the other poster pointed out. Brigesii is more speedy than San Pedro, but you will likely have to consume more san pedro for similar effects. Also, do three boils and then combine, then reduce. Also eat ginger or something to help with nausea. You want to avoid puking for at least an hour or you won't trip. Two hours would be better and no puking is the best. Good luck!


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #21857023 - 06/25/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

also i highly reccomend reducing your tea so there is very little and then putting it in a pyrex pan to turn to tar. and some time in the freezer and flour will make it much easier to work with as the tar is very sticky


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21857033 - 06/25/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Go with 1 foot of bridgsii, using a crock pot on low to make a complete alkaloid extraction. Bridgesii has much more than mescaline to offer for an extraordinary alkaloid cocktail for your brains delight. Coming from personal experience, this is the way to go, no nausea effects within an hour and a half, lasting 18-24 hours. You'll love it.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: lovesquare]
    #21857707 - 06/25/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Do you have a link to the alkaloid extraction method you know works and is it much more difficult than straight up tea?


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #21857715 - 06/25/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry whats this tar thing how does it make it easier thanks.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21873708 - 06/29/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I know It's hard to say because of varying potency but if i was to get some powdered cactus how much would be a good dose and whats the best method of preparing it. I read one post that said regular tea wasnt great as the powder turned into a snotty slime that was impossible to get down lol


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21891738 - 07/03/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Right, I've decided to bite the bullet and order some fresh cuttings and some dry chips.

I'm going to do 3 brews with lemon juice using fresh, prefrozen cactus. It's San Pedro so how much weight wise would I need fresh?  The cuttings I'm buying are 30cm but I've no idea of thickness so we'll see.

Also gonna order some dry chips which are green flesh only. Any idea how many of the dry chips to use per portion?

Looking for a reasonable trip, I only have experience of Ayahuasca, mushrooms and Salvia.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21892754 - 07/03/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Thanks , I ordered 2 cuttings of each type so I guess I'll get to try them all.  I'll probably order another 6 next month.  I plan on growing a lot as it's such a slow process. 

Any idea on what size cutting would make a good dose of each variety, assuming Bridgesii is more potent.

Also how does mescaline make you feel, can you think straight and go explore a local park for example or will I need a sitter or take it at home?




Out of all of the psychedelics, mescaline is the one that keeps me thinking straight and even boosts my intelligence. Even whilst having proper visuals I am able to think in a logical way.

I'm guessing many users have not experienced this as most of trippers smoke weed at the same time.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21892769 - 07/03/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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sarahnya said:
Right, I've decided to bite the bullet and order some fresh cuttings and some dry chips.

I'm going to do 3 brews with lemon juice using fresh, prefrozen cactus. It's San Pedro so how much weight wise would I need fresh?  The cuttings I'm buying are 30cm but I've no idea of thickness so we'll see.

Also gonna order some dry chips which are green flesh only. Any idea how many of the dry chips to use per portion?

Looking for a reasonable trip, I only have experience of Ayahuasca, mushrooms and Salvia.




We are all happy to help, but many of your questions you asked you could have answered by yourself, searching on the internet. There are answers out there.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #21893258 - 07/03/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Thanks , I ordered 2 cuttings of each type so I guess I'll get to try them all.  I'll probably order another 6 next month.  I plan on growing a lot as it's such a slow process. 

Any idea on what size cutting would make a good dose of each variety, assuming Bridgesii is more potent.

Also how does mescaline make you feel, can you think straight and go explore a local park for example or will I need a sitter or take it at home?




Out of all of the psychedelics, mescaline is the one that keeps me thinking straight and even boosts my intelligence. Even whilst having proper visuals I am able to think in a logical way.

I'm guessing many users have not experienced this as most of trippers smoke weed at the same time.




Yeah well I definitely won't be smoking or doing anything else, I'm wanting a genuine experience.  Hence wanting to try the yucky tea first.  I'm really hoping it won't be a puke fest but I did fine with Ayahuasca and that was pretty rank.

Theres a really funny YouTube Vlog of this guy drinking SP tea, he like drags it out for hours and you can tell from his face he feels sick as a dog.  I don't want that lol


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21893270 - 07/03/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you can keep a straight face when doing shots of vodka, you should be fine with pedro.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #21893280 - 07/03/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Phew, it can't be that bad then.  That guy like literally took 6 hours to drink it lol

Personally I can't think of anything as bad as mimosa tea, it makes me shudder thinking of the taste!


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21894047 - 07/03/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh it most certainly is that bad if you made it right and the cactus has the goodies in it.  Makes me feel green every time I think about it.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: BigHeart]
    #21895138 - 07/04/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh great thanks... How long does nausea last for lol


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21896513 - 07/04/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It can last anywhere from 10 minutes to a few hours.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #21897144 - 07/04/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Lovely, I'm not planning on dragging it out too long.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21903484 - 07/05/15 11:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just been reading several recipes for preparing and come across some which dont involve boiling.

Would something like the following work,has anyone tried something similar?

First despine and skin the cactus,chop into small pieces then freeze.

Defrost,add some water and lemon juice sparringly then grind or crush with a potato masher.  Filter then add more water and lemon and repeat 3 times collecting the juice and drink straight.

Some also suggested consuming the pulp after.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21903536 - 07/05/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Alternately, I could do pretty much the same thing but add more water and boil on a low heat to reduce it a little.

Its just various comments said that its less snotty when it hasnt been heated but it means drinking more fluid.  So i guess lesser of two evils really lol


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21904006 - 07/06/15 04:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

can you add things to make it taste better before consumption?


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: meretricious]
    #21904269 - 07/06/15 07:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

God knows, I think from what what I've read lemon juice helps a little but it still taste blargh.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21908069 - 07/07/15 01:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I just wondered if maybe eating 6" pedro 6"bridgesii might be more potent because of the maoi in the bridgesii?

Also does bridgesii give a different kind of trip on its own?  Just wondered because mushrooms combined with a maoi were quite different.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21908083 - 07/07/15 01:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think for my first attempt I'm going to do the following :

Prepare and finely chop the cactus,freeze overnight, defrost and then soak it a enough water just to cover with some lemon juice for several hours.  Then ill strain it off, drink the juice before putting the solids back in the pan with more water and lemon.

Then ill gently simmer it for a couple of hours and mash it with a potato masher,drain it again and consume the juice.  If im not too sick at this point ill try to eat some of the dark solids.

How does this sound?


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21908308 - 07/07/15 04:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I think for my first attempt I'm going to do the following :

Prepare and finely chop the cactus,freeze overnight, defrost and then soak it a enough water just to cover with some lemon juice for several hours.  Then ill strain it off, drink the juice before putting the solids back in the pan with more water and lemon.

Then ill gently simmer it for a couple of hours and mash it with a potato masher,drain it again and consume the juice.  If im not too sick at this point ill try to eat some of the dark solids.

How does this sound?




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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #21908580 - 07/07/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I just thought it might be worth doing so I get some raw alkaloids and some cooked.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21909157 - 07/07/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You can do this. But complete the boiling and all preparations before drinking the first portion (raw) so that you can relax and focus on the experience, instead of cooking the rest of cacti. Cooking is a timely procedure. You don't want to do this whilst coming-up.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #21909758 - 07/07/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks mucho sensible, I might be feeling a but queasy while trying to cook...

Will set aside the fluid and cook the tea beforehand so I can store both in the fridge and take th first thing in the morning.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21910588 - 07/07/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Honestly, I would recommend following one of the many tried and true teks out on the web. Experiment with different methods after you have mastered a tea extraction. At least that way you are guaranteed to get the desired effects. A one foot bridgesii cutting should do the trick. Don't make this more complicated than it needs to be. :peace:


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #21912260 - 07/07/15 10:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's just everyone seems to be arguing about what actually works.  I've seen a lot which just say, freeze, blend and chug. These have been really positive but I would have thought that be really tough on the stomach so was trying to mix it up. 

Best of both worlds I guess.

Can I freeze the tea for consumption later btw, it's just I work a lot so could prepare it in advance for when I have two days off so I get a full recovery day after.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21912296 - 07/07/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Would be helpful to hear which methods people have tried and which worked best for them.

I am taking note that bridgesii seems more reliable but as I've read the feel of the trip is a little different I'd like to explore a San Pedro one first.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21912788 - 07/08/15 12:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thee best method that works for me in the past is:

Despine
Peal the waxy layer
Cut the cacti into stars
Cut out the center core of each star.
Throw away cores, keep dark and light green fleshy layers.
Cut the flesh stars into little bits and pieces
Put all the pieces into a pot with clean filtered water,
Gently Boil/simmer for 5-6 hours, mix regularly (every 15min or so) and watch it carefully, add water if water line is too low.
After boiling, strain juice/pieces mixture thru a clean white t-shirt and capture in a big clean pot.
Squeeeze the ball with all your strenght to get all the tea out. throw away t shirt ball
Drink liquid if its still warm, or reheat on stove before you dose (tea taste better when its warm).


done.

Dont forget to chase the tea with strong tasting foods like potato chips and/or fresh  fruit as a chaser.

Thats it.

Its a long process but worth it.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21914422 - 07/08/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Last time I tripped on cacti tar I had plenty of freshly squeezed juices which I made myself in the morning. I kept fasting all the way till the end of the trip. I kept drinking those juices which kept me going strong without food.


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    #21914427 - 07/08/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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It's just everyone seems to be arguing about what actually works.  I've seen a lot which just say, freeze, blend and chug. These have been really positive but I would have thought that be really tough on the stomach so was trying to mix it up. 

Best of both worlds I guess.

Can I freeze the tea for consumption later btw, it's just I work a lot so could prepare it in advance for when I have two days off so I get a full recovery day after.




Freezing works great, I've done that . In fact, this is the best way of storing cacti tea or tar.


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    #21915050 - 07/08/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Perfect thanks people!

Anymore favourite ways to prepare?  Or even any fails and things to avoid?


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Perfect thanks people!

Anymore favourite ways to prepare?  Or even any fails and things to avoid?




To be honest, my favorite wa7y to prepare is alcohol extraction and I don't think I will ever be able to cease this affair...

Do the tea tek first, see how messy and time consuming it is. Then get some of that powder I recommended to you in PM and try alcohol tar extraction tek. You will love it.
Once it is done, all you have to do is swallow a few pill-shaped tar blobs.


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    #21917770 - 07/09/15 01:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I will do, it will be interesting to compare the experience.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21917883 - 07/09/15 02:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just another method I read, has anyone tried it.

Using cactus powder, put it in a jar, cover it in Bacardi 151, give it a shake as often as possible over 2 to 3 days until water goes dark and murky.  Pull off the alcohol and put it in a wide dish to evaporate.  Then add some flour to the tar thats left,for capsule sized bites and swallow.

I will be trying tea first but these other methods sound fun to try also. I want a happy medium so I get the full experience.


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    #21917886 - 07/09/15 02:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Perfect thanks people!

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To be honest, my favorite wa7y to prepare is alcohol extraction and I don't think I will ever be able to cease this affair...

Do the tea tek first, see how messy and time consuming it is. Then get some of that powder I recommended to you in PM and try alcohol tar extraction tek. You will love it.
Once it is done, all you have to do is swallow a few pill-shaped tar blobs.




I think this spulds like the method I just read about,does it get all the alkaloids,not just mescaline?


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21917904 - 07/09/15 02:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know if it gets all alkaloids or just mescaline. I would need a lab to be able to tell. But the final product does what it should :trippinbawelz:

I don't know about Bacardi 151. I used some imported 95% food-safe grain ethanol (used for making spirits etc) and now I'm using a much cheaper 99% Isopropanol from *bay.

One thing you missed in the bacardi method is that these steps must be repeated multiple times. I would say 5 times or more, to make sure that there is nothing left. Then combine all extracted liquid and evaporate.

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    #21917907 - 07/09/15 02:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Also, once all alcohol is evapped you can dissolve the tar with small amount of hot water and drink a deadly shot. The taste will wake you up. It will taste like cacti tea x100 lovely... :lol:


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    #21917918 - 07/09/15 03:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Awesome, I looked it up and I think the tar is full spectrum by the sounds of it so should give an authentic experience.

I will definitely try it after because it's so goddamn easy compared to boiling and straining all day.


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Awesome, I looked it up and I think the tar is full spectrum by the sounds of it so should give an authentic experience.

I will definitely try it after because it's so goddamn easy compared to boiling and straining all day.




Tea method is great for first time, you get a FULL spectrum experience by having to drink the liquid :lol: eating tar pills could be considered as cheating. South American shamans would not accept this :wink:

What I liked about my tar trips was that the trip was stretched out in time. I ate the tar in two portions 2 hours apart. It took long for it to digest and the coming up was long and enjoyable.


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    #21918151 - 07/09/15 06:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Did you find much difference in the overall experience of eating tar compared to tea?


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Did you find much difference in the overall experience of eating tar compared to tea?




My tea trips were very weak and I used to smoke weed back then so I cannot compare these two.


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...Last time I evapped in the oven and it worked brilliantly.




I would not recommend this. Maybe if you have an electric oven, but if it gas and has a pilot light, then you are asking for an oven bomb. I would suggest evaporating without heat because of the alcohol vapor.


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    #21921734 - 07/09/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Of course it was in an electric oven.
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    #21922382 - 07/09/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Electric here.

From the posts I've read it does sound that the experience is the same as the tea, more dreamy and euphoric.  It's hard to be sure though as people have to have used the same cactus,similar dosage to be a fair test but I think it gives you an idea.

Also one other thing that was brought up in several posts was that using 70% alcohol appears to extract more alkaloids in total as some are more soluable in water?  Only thing is,it leaves a more sticky tar which takes a long time to evap due to water content.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21923931 - 07/10/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You can use 70% alcohol and see how it works. I have come across the same info.
I'd be curious to see if cacti powder would swell up much when soaked in 70% alcohol. It doesn't expand at all during 95% and 99% extractions.

I don't think you should be worried about the difference between tar and tea at this stage, since this is going to be your first cacti trip (?)


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    #21923945 - 07/10/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I always always obsess, the tar sounds nicer to swallow and if it's the same experience as tea that would be awesome.

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    #21923982 - 07/10/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

For the alcohol tek? My first trip was of 50g, but last time I did 100g and it was OK.
I believe I haven't extracted it fully as the last pull was still quite green. So I carried on extracting after the trip and now I have combined this with new extraction of 90g.


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    #21929001 - 07/11/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

100g sounds a lot, was it pedro or torch?

I just found a UK seller selling pedro and bridgesii really cheap, only babies but i ordered some so I have a collection of lines.

Also, general question here but does blending make a large difference to the teas potency?  Just wondering if purchasing a blender was actually worth it.


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    #21941824 - 07/14/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I just received my cactus cuttings today, they are just over 30 cm and some are already rooting.  I don't know if I have the heart to chop them up.  Might just plant this batch and eat the next one I order... I actually ordered a pack of mixed cuttings, 1 bridgesii, 1 p torch and a San pedro plus 2 more bridgesii.

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    #21942904 - 07/14/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think you would trip.


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    #21943287 - 07/14/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think, being the impatient person I am.  I'm going to make a brew with a bridgesii and San pedro cutting mixed together and split it with my friend when she comes to visit.

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    #21943750 - 07/14/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't read the whole thread

But just so you know, sarahnya, you can make tar without using rubbing alcohol. You can just make tea, filter, and evaporate carefully, finishing it off in a pyrex baking dish sitting in a shallow pan with an inch of lightly boiling water. You don't have to worry about starting a fire with the evaporating alcohol. You can let it go like this until it gets thick concentrated, you just have to watch it carefully so it doesn't burn, keep the heat low and go slow. Be sure the water underneath doesn't boil dry and also isn't so high that it's splashing into your pyrex dish. I just bring the bong into the kitchen and take rips and watch it for a while :stoned2:, adding a half cup of hot water to the boiler here and there as it gets low. I've done it many times and it works great. Just a thought if you don't want to deal with the alcohol. Either way is fine I'm sure. Good luck! :thumbup:

also I'm not sure an electric oven would be any safer for evaporating alcohol? If you're evaporating alcohol, use a fan, or at most an electric hotplate. When it gets pretty thick most of the alcohol will be evaporated anyway, and it will probably be safe to do a double boiler on the stove as I mentioned above to finish evaporating.


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    #21944899 - 07/15/15 12:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks that's definitely something to try at some point!

Now for another question. To use the core or not?  I've again found conflicting information, some say it enhances the trip while others say it contains little actives and just makes the nausea worse.  Can people tell me their personal experience?


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    #21945918 - 07/15/15 05:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Thanks that's definitely something to try at some point!

Now for another question. To use the core or not?  I've again found conflicting information, some say it enhances the trip while others say it contains little actives and just makes the nausea worse.  Can people tell me their personal experience?




I always use the core, why throw away perfectly good alkaloids just because they're not as concentrated?


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    #21945957 - 07/15/15 06:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Who knows, I think some people seem to think it's not worth it and adds to the nausea. However I've read the experience is better with it, probably due to other alkaloids so I won't be throwing it myself but I'd like to hear if anyone has actually experimented.


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    #21946166 - 07/15/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've always left the core in so I can't compare but all of my experiences have been nothing short of spectacular so I'll continue to use the core.


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    #21946227 - 07/15/15 08:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hey guys, I've got my first experience with this coming up this weekend. We've got some tea that's being prepared currently. A few friends and I are going camping. Anyone else do this while camping? We've all done acid and shrooms at least a handful of times. Seems like it should be fun?

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Hey guys, I've got my first experience with this coming up this weekend. We've got some tea that's being prepared currently. A few friends and I are going camping. Anyone else do this while camping? We've all done acid and shrooms at least a handful of times. Seems like it should be fun?

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How many cm of do you use and which type of Trichocereus?


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21946834 - 07/15/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I use between 12-16 Amaerican Inches Per person, with around a 5 inch diameter ribs.

I have used a San Pedro from a potent genetic line.

As for decoring, i always do and have great trips. Cant say if keeping the core is better since ive never prepped it with the core :shrug:


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    #21947639 - 07/15/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've just bought a slow cooker as I thought it was the safest way of not accidentally destroying the alkaloids.  When I'm cooking the Cactus, should I just cover it with enough water or?  (I'm using chopped, not liquidized cactus for my first attempt!).


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    #21950548 - 07/16/15 05:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Currently stressing the bridgesii and sp cutting in a cool dark cupboard as it's 3 weeks before I'm able to consume the tea so I might as well try improve potency. 

I'm going to prepare it the following way,


Despine and skin the cactus, chop into smallish chunks, including the core.  Freeze and defrost twice.  Cook for 12 hours on low in the slow cooker with plenty of water and 4 oz of lemon or lime juice. Strain with cheesecloth and repeat the cook with fresh water and lemon.  Combine the resulting liquid and use my dehydrator to reduce it to a couple of mugs worth of cactus juice.

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Sounds pretty much like what I'm doing


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    #21951382 - 07/16/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

sounds good to me.

Make sure the dehydrator is on low. I usually just simmer on low to reduce the tea, but dehydrator should work too :shrug:


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    #21951448 - 07/16/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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sounds good to me.

Make sure the dehydrator is on low. I usually just simmer on low to reduce the tea, but dehydrator should work too :shrug:




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    #21963252 - 07/19/15 01:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just a quick question.  I think I'm leaning toward just giving my friend San San Pedro rather than a mix with bridgesii as shes a bit sensitive and I've read a lot of trip reports that sounded uncomfortable.  However I only have one 12 inch cutting which I doubt will be enoigh.  However I've got some torch chunks coming in the post just could add some to the brew but I've no idea how much to add.

So how much dry torch chips should I add to the brew to hopefully get a good strong trip?


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    #21963414 - 07/19/15 03:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I just recently discovered, that 99% ISO alcohol does not extract any mescaline. I have eaten all that tar of 90g powder and NOTHING! Luckily I had some acid as plan B.

Previously I have extracted from the same batch of powder using 95% ethanol and had some vivid trips.

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I just recently discovered, that 99% ISO alcohol does not extract any mescaline. I have eaten all that tar of 90g powder and NOTHING! Luckily I had some acid as plan B.

Previously I have extracted from the same batch of powder using 95% ethanol and had some vivid trips.

I have kept the remaining pulp and now thinking what to do with.




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    #21963537 - 07/19/15 05:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21963622 - 07/19/15 06:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Cheers that's useful.  Perhaps a little water in the mix is a good thing.  I'm gonna use vodka myself with a dash of lime and extract it for days.


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    #21963729 - 07/19/15 07:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've been also extracting for days. Then went 200 miles away to trip on mesc only to be disappointed. I had a nice blast on acid though instead.


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    #21963791 - 07/19/15 08:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21963935 - 07/19/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21971006 - 07/20/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just an update. My boyfriend has suddenly put of the blue said he'd like to try the cactus on his days off, which happen to be the next two nights.

Anyway I've decided to use bridgesii on him, a tea prepared of 9 inches.  So I've just spent the last hour despining and skinning the cactus, I'm surprised how easy it was to get the skin off after reading after about what a pain it is. I'm just left with very sticky green fingers!

Since I have limited time I'm going to freeze the cactus tonight and in the morning I'll put it in the crock pot on low with plenty of water and some lemon juice.

He is going to take the tea the day after tomorrow, I can't wait !


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21971548 - 07/20/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Having just done my tea that I made last week, this weekend, I'd say don't puree it, cut it into chunks, freeze it, boil it lightly, reduce, freeze again, and repeat. The addition of acid seems suspect to me.


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    #21972932 - 07/20/15 09:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



What's suspect about acid?

I'm definitely going to use chunks and not blend, the less snot like the better and easier to drain I figured. I'm going to cook the hell our of it though.


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    #21973270 - 07/20/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Seems some people say adding acidic substances makes less of a visual trip, more body high as they mescaline compound isn't soluble in water. I dunno, seemed that way for me this weekend but I might not have had enough in the first place.


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    #21973741 - 07/20/15 11:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So the lemon makes the mescaline less soluble?


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    #21973826 - 07/21/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thats a pretty bold statement to make, to say acidic solutions prevent the absorbtion of mescaline.

Worth investgating thou. Try to make a water-only tea.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21973873 - 07/21/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think that experiment will have to wait until I have more cactus available it wouldn't be a fair test unless it was cut from the same cactus. 

I will try with and without when I do my alcohol extraction on the powder though.


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    #21973902 - 07/21/15 12:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Good luck on your ethanol extraction.

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    #21974692 - 07/21/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Eewwww god it smells like puke, no wonder you guys are desperate to find any other method of ingestion!

He wants to try it today but it's only been in 12 hours on low. I was intending to cook overnight.


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    #21974984 - 07/21/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Good luck, have fun & report back! :smile:

The more I read the more do I believe that I will just eat my first cactus raw.
Then I should not worry about any potency-loss by extraction. It tastes bitter, yes, but any liquified extraction tastes way more extreme cause it's more concentrated.
I tried a few chunks, maybe an inch of a pachanoi while cutting and repotting the other day, and it tasted not too bad! The green flesh of one cactus isn't that much to eat, though, maybe a small bowl or one big cup by volume..

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    #21975135 - 07/21/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Eewwww god it smells like puke, no wonder you guys are desperate to find any other method of ingestion!

He wants to try it today but it's only been in 12 hours on low. I was intending to cook overnight.




Yes, thee taste/smell is horrific, but once u get it down, u realize all the time and effort to drink the awful tea was all worth it.


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    #21975356 - 07/21/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's been a couple of hours since he finished drinking the tea.  He still feels a bit sick and says he's hands are tingling and he has HD vision.

I'm a bit concerned it might not be very strong at this point but we shall see!  What other effects of coming up would he notice.  I'm more excited than he is lol

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    #21975364 - 07/21/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hmm he says some things have gone 3d, like the cover of a book I'm reading and the letters are moving around.


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    #21975398 - 07/21/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds like hes peaking.

Is he ready for the mescajauana experience?

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    #21975925 - 07/21/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21978532 - 07/22/15 12:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Unfortunately I have none of those things at my disposal!

Anyway it was only a very mild trip.  I think that I should have cooked it for much longer, maybe even 24 hours as it was only on a very low heat.

When I prepare mine which will be in a couple of weeks. I'm going to cook for 24 hours and maybe even strain, save the tea and add fresh water to the chunks again and cook on medium to make sure I get everything out.

In any case I've saved the material from this batch to add to mine.

Also I cannot see my friend drinking the tea, how long do you think it will take in a dehydrator to reduce it enough to make resin and what temperature should I use?  I'm having tea myself so there is less to evaporate.


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    #21978625 - 07/22/15 01:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

One other thing. For the next brew I'm going to use a 12 inch sp cutting but would also like to use some dried p torch chips , how much do you think I should use per person to strengthen the tea.

From what I've read 25 to 30 seems like a reasonable dose, shall I go for about 50g dried between us as I don't expect the pedro on its own to do much at all between 2 people.


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    #21979937 - 07/22/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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maybe even strain, save the tea and add fresh water to the chunks again




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    #21980099 - 07/22/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah but a lot of the slow cook methods seem to think one really long cook adding water as you go is fine, reducing is really hard in a slow cooker too, it just never happens lol


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    #21980949 - 07/22/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Its best to concentrate your tea on a stovetop on low-med heat with LOTS of supervision during the entire reducing boil.


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    #21981056 - 07/22/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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One other thing. For the next brew I'm going to use a 12 inch sp cutting but would also like to use some dried p torch chips , how much do you think I should use per person to strengthen the tea.

From what I've read 25 to 30 seems like a reasonable dose, shall I go for about 50g dried between us as I don't expect the pedro on its own to do much at all between 2 people.




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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: BigHeart]
    #21983562 - 07/23/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Okays I got my powder so I figured let's have a go at making a little tea from powder.

I've read lots of posts arguing about if tea can be made ot not so it should be interesting.  I think from what I've read a lot of people are making the mistake of reducing it before trying to strain the powder, this is impossible as it turns to snotty cactus gunk and won't go through the holes. 

It appears the trick is to add a bunch of water again, then strain immediately while it's still watery and then just evaporate your liquid again while doing another cook on the powder.

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    #21993500 - 07/25/15 01:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Update on making cactus tea with powder:

Well after failing to effectively strain the gloopy powder mixture with a t shirt I threw it all back in the slow cooker on low and left it cooking all day with the lid on so it didn't evaporate.  When I got home I turned it off and left it for an hour or so, most of the snotty gunk with powder sank to the bottom and I was able to decant the liquid off the top, which I then easily filtered with a t shirt and I'm now left with some nice translucent green tea.

I'm now reducing it on the hob on the lowest setting whilst the cooker does the last pull on the material, fresh water and lemon added.

I don't think I'll be able to use my dehydrator to dry it though because the trays are shallow and there's like a central column on it so I can't even fit a small plate in it.

I think it's worth noting the mucus layer seems to be breaking down, there doesn't seem as much of it but this could just be that a little being lost with all the straining etc.  I just hope I'm not loosing too much of the goodies or that they are trapped in the gloop at the bottom


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21994315 - 07/25/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds perfect to me. Nice work :thumbup:


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    #21994717 - 07/25/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Note that any mescaline salt has a much higher atomic weight than water. So, some of the actives (not in solution) likely did sink to the bottom when you let it separate.


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    #21995031 - 07/25/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well I did filter everything through the t shirt on the last pull, it was a lot easier as the mucus had completely broken down. I had used a brand new shirt so the fibres weren't so stretched.

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    #22004421 - 07/27/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Nearly dehydrated my tea now. I managed to fit one plate in my dehydrator.

Just wondered what the safe temperature was to dehydrate it at, I've got it on 35c at the moment but it's taking its sweet time.

Also, this tea (made from pedro powder)is waaaaay more bitter than the last lot I made with fresh bridgesii, is there any truth to the bitterness being a guide to how strong it is?


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #22004439 - 07/27/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I would say in personal experience that bitterness coorelates to more potent tea.

But bittness doesnt Not equal potent tea. Just that theres definitely a relationship.

For example, non-bitter tea is either diluted  or weak.


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    #22004443 - 07/27/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh it's also not becoming thicker as I reduce it, is that a bad sign?  The mucus appears to have completely broken down, is this normal?

I'll be trying this Sunday or Monday next week btw if the weather is decent.


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    #22004448 - 07/27/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I would say in personal experience that bitterness coorelates to more potent tea.

But bittness doesnt Not equal potent tea. Just that theres definitely a relationship.

For example, non-bitter tea is either diluted  or weak.




Cheers, this is definitely more concentrated so it could be that.  It doesn't smell or taste of puke this time though!


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    #22004468 - 07/27/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Since u started with dry powder, theres going to be ver little slime in the tea.

Fresh cuttings always have more slime, but even after concentrating them, my teas in the past only get so thick, maybe the consistency of  watered-down Karo surup.


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    #22004502 - 07/27/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hi sarahnya can you just please remind me, how much cactus powder did you use?


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    #22013320 - 07/29/15 04:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There, my tea is all dried up thanks to the dehydrator which I set to 35c.  I'm going to scrape it up and put in gel caps tonight. Will I need to freeze them to stop decomposition btw ?



Does this look good?


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    #22013694 - 07/29/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ive never dehydrated my tea this much before. Looks like tar now.

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    #22013850 - 07/29/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I had to make it into tar to put in capsules, my friend will not, under any circumstances drink the tea lol

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There, my tea is all dried up thanks to the dehydrator which I set to 35c.  I'm going to scrape it up and put in gel caps tonight. Will I need to freeze them to stop decomposition btw ?



Does this look good?




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    #22015838 - 07/29/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You KNEW this was gonna be a bitch lol

It was a bloody nightmare, the stuff had dried as hard as rock, I had to moisten it to roll it in to balls and it was a sticky nightmare.  I've told my mate she's drinking tea next time.

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    #22015865 - 07/29/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think i stick with cacti teas :lol:

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    #22015925 - 07/29/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You KNEW this was gonna be a bitch lol

It was a bloody nightmare, the stuff had dried as hard as rock, I had to moisten it to roll it in to balls and it was a sticky nightmare.  I've told my mate she's drinking tea next time.

Still, persistence won I managed to roll them into pills using a little flour and froze them, never again though.




Seeing the plate you used I guessed it wasn't easy. Did any of the paint chip off during scraping?

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    #22016089 - 07/29/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No the plate survived the ordeal intact, I squirted it with a plant mister so it went gooy again.

I'm really not looking forward to the tea, it was pure gross.


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    #22016282 - 07/29/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Only those who aare truly worth of the mescaline experience are able to finish the Tea of Psychedelia.


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    #22019716 - 07/30/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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    #22019796 - 07/30/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

This latest batch of bridgesii x pachanoi is particularly gross now I've condensed it into brown syrup.

I hope I haven't overdone the cooking this time, I did 24 hours on low, then 12 on high, strained and refreshed the water twice.


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    #22031426 - 08/02/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Wish me luck, I've just downed the first cup of the brew.  It wasn't nice tasting but I used a straw, didn't look at it and thought of strawberries whilst drinking it lol

Just wondered from your experience if this alone will be strong enough. I've drank half of the tea from 1 foot of sp and 6 inch of bridgesii approx.  I have tar balls that were extracted from 50g of san pedro too, shall I take those now or wait a bit?

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    #22031602 - 08/02/15 12:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I would definitely try to drink it all.

Youre almost there. Keep up the straw drinking :thumbup:

Chasing with fresh fruit or salty chips helps a lot.


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    #22031906 - 08/02/15 01:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I just threw up, feel loads better but um clearly not there yet but damn typing this is weird, it's like it's moving downwards or something lol


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    #22031987 - 08/02/15 02:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I couldn't drink anymore, body totally rejected it.  I think I'm still coming up but I have a feeling it's not strong enough though but I'll go with it.


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    #22032569 - 08/02/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sadly it was disappointing really.  I did not enjoy the bodyload it feels like there is an uncomfortable tightness in my jaw, neck and head, like I want to clench my teeth or something.

I didn't feel any of the euphoria that people speak of but at one point I felt huge love from my little pet parrot lol.

Was my experience due to not taking enough, if I had managed to get enough back would the uncomfortable head tension ease and would I have got the magical feeling a lot of people talk about?


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    #22032608 - 08/02/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

God how long does the head explosion feeling go on for, I'm really tired now and I just feel my muscles tensing constantly around my neck and my head feels tight.


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    #22032743 - 08/02/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Likely u threw it up too early before your body could ingest it. Then u couldnt take anymore, likely explains the lite trip.

Gotta toughen up that stomach before u try again.

Try drinking goat piss. A wise old lady once said: "If u can drink goat piss, then you can drink pretty much f**king anything" :lol:

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    #22032849 - 08/02/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Lol it wasn't too bad when I drank it but OMG when the nausea hit I couldn't bare to even think about drinking or it would make me retch.

Next time I'll just reduce it more and drink a double portion.

Can I just ask though is this tension thing normal, would it have disappeared if I had taken more. I kinda feel like I've been stuck coming up all day.


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    #22033069 - 08/02/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Never heard the tension u talk about. Mescaline usually  makes me sorta relaxed, in a awake sort of way.

Maybe its the bridgeii you had. Ive only had San pedro and its a relaxed but awake feeling, kinda like a drunken feel.

Not sure why u had body  tension.


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    #22033102 - 08/02/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The tension is normal. It sounds like you puked to soon. You have to try to hold it down for like an hour and a half at a minimum.


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    #22033289 - 08/02/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Does the tension normally go away?  And is it normal for both san pedro or bridgesii?

I literally had it all day...feeling more normal now thankfully, I didn't enjoy the tension thing at all!


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    #22033315 - 08/02/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

For me, I get tension on all psychedelics. It doesn't happen every time. I think it is just a response to the energy flowing through you that causes you to tense your muscles. It's nothing to worry about. Like I said, it doesn't happen every time. Maybe smoke some weed or take a muscle relaxer to combat it.


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    #22033322 - 08/02/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I wish I hadn't tried to move about and dwelled on the cactus tea taste, probably made myself sick thinking about drinking more tbh.

Jesus though, Ayahuasca was a walk in the park compared the nausea caused by this.


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    #22033343 - 08/02/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

One thing that helps with the nausea is to lay down and remain completely still for the first hour or two. This will help to prevent vertigo and the nausea may even pass.


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    #22033760 - 08/02/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

5 drops of lemon essential oil about 20 minutes before drinking can help considerably with the nausea. Also make sure to wipe the corners of your mouth and lips after you drink because I've found the flavor can really linger there and if you lick your lips you will get another flavor explosion.


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    #22033796 - 08/02/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Cherrs, I'll try that. I did take ginger and pepto too.

Did you get the tension thing going on when you did it.  I've just like been really uncomfortable all days with heightened senses.


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    #22033816 - 08/02/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I guess you could call it tension. Mescaline has some very stimulant qualities to it and I think that's part of it. I find going for a walk helps. Also meditation/breathing exercises helps. Also smoking pot helps a lot for me when I'm feeling like that.


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    #22033874 - 08/02/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Unfortunately I can't smoke because I have regular drug tests at work.

It was really uncomfortable tbh, not something I could ignore as it was always there.  I still feel it now even though it's not as bad.


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    #22033894 - 08/02/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What kind of cactus? What was your setting like? I think bridgesii can be a little stronger in that department compared to good pachanoi. Unfortunately good pachanoi are difficult to come by in most places.

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    #22033940 - 08/02/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Came up at home, laid down in bed for the most part while I came up and then we went for walk for a few hours.

It was actually a mix of bridgesii and pachanoi, fresh tea.


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    #22033949 - 08/02/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I dunno what to tell you. There is a certain type of tension inherent to both mescaline and LSD. I find that it can feel negative at times, or it can feel blissful at times. I think it mostly has to do with state of mind. Maybe cactus isn't really your thing? Or maybe you need to try it in a ceremonial setting.


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    #22034029 - 08/02/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think I'll try a higher dose, if I had the euphoria I'd probably forget about it.  I always get the headache thing on shrooms to start with but it always vanishes when the visuals and bliss kick in.  I think my mindset was okay, I was really quite chilled in the end and just accepted the changes taking place but I just couldn't shake off that tension feeling.

I can also get some muscle relaxants from my mum so I think that will help from what I've read on the forums.

I will try a pure pachanoi tea too just in case it was the bridgesii amping things up.


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    #22034175 - 08/02/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've heard some folks say that magnesium supplements can help with psychedelic tension, but i've never tried. Muscle relaxants seems a little drastic to me, but I guess I don't really like them either.


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    #22035958 - 08/02/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Oh, I think I know what might have contributed.

I'm normally on a low carbon diet which is known to flush out electrolytes, which includes magnesium.  I tend to need to eat a lot of salt and might not have had enough so the magnesium is a good idea.


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