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Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties
    #21855075 - 06/25/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

After reading a lot of info on preparing Pan Pedro and Co I'm actually more confused than ever after reading so much conflicting information.

So far I've read reducing the brew 3 times makes it more potent as it removes more of the goodies but then I've read that this can actually do the opposite and reduce it.  I've heard Mescaline can't be damaged with heat, but also that it can.  Then of course there are arguments over which variety of cactus is more potent.

I'm really wanting to hear from people who've experimented and what they found to work best as Ive also read a lot of failed attempts which is not great considering how long it takes to grow them or how expensive it is to buy large cuttings.

One other thing I'm curious about, I've heard that Trichocereus Bridgesii has a higher mescaline content but then other people argue it's not actually stronger but it has MAOI inhibitors.  So whats the truth, do we know?  Also how do the MAOI effect the trip, does it change the nature similar to if you take them with mushrooms etc?


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21855189 - 06/25/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

well mescaline is pretty stable you dont have to worry very much about the heat. reducing it wont give you less mescaline it will only give you less luquid with the same amount of mescaline. and you dont reduce 3 times. you should boil the cactus and then pour the liquid through a t shirt 3 times then reduce the liquid from all 3 boils. and you should go for bridgesii because...... bridgesii is the bomb. and they say all cacti are somewhat different peyote pedro bridge peruvians all have different alkaloids


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #21855270 - 06/25/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks , I ordered 2 cuttings of each type so I guess I'll get to try them all.  I'll probably order another 6 next month.  I plan on growing a lot as it's such a slow process. 

Any idea on what size cutting would make a good dose of each variety, assuming Bridgesii is more potent.

Also how does mescaline make you feel, can you think straight and go explore a local park for example or will I need a sitter or take it at home?


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #21855320 - 06/25/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Just stick to medium-high heat, and be very careful during reduction... I don't know the temperature stability of all the goodies.

Bridgesii may not have the highest mescaline content but it is very reliable (perhaps in part due to the maoB inhibitor quercetin) and easy to I.d.

I think most failed attempts are caused by under dosing...

I was thinking pretty straight on Bridgesii.  Pretty speedy stuff.  I did "16 and wish I'd done a bit more.  But weight is more accurate than length due to girth variation.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21856102 - 06/25/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I use this cactus tek with good results: https://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_preparation5.shtml

I havent tried the other methods so I cant give a comparison but I can say that this works well and more complicated methods are not necessary.

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Thanks , I ordered 2 cuttings of each type so I guess I'll get to try them all.  I'll probably order another 6 next month.  I plan on growing a lot as it's such a slow process. 

Any idea on what size cutting would make a good dose of each variety, assuming Bridgesii is more potent.

Also how does mescaline make you feel, can you think straight and go explore a local park for example or will I need a sitter or take it at home?




You wont need a sitter, unless you are prone to bad trips/freaking out on psychedelics.

For me though, cactus has this weird body high that makes my body feel so heavy that I dont like to go exploring like I do with mushrooms. Even sitting up feels like too much work and I generally spend the trip laying down. You can think much better than on mushrooms though. I remember tripping very hard on cactus and having no problems disconnecting my laptop and then setting it back up upstairs. A couple of weeks later I tried to do the same thing on 6 grams of mushrooms and ended up stuck in a seemingly endless entanglement of wires for like 20 minutes unable to do anything but laugh at the hopelessness of the situation.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21856178 - 06/25/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Mescaline is easy on the mind. A very worthy experience. I'd start with bridgesii. It is the most consistent as the other poster pointed out. Brigesii is more speedy than San Pedro, but you will likely have to consume more san pedro for similar effects. Also, do three boils and then combine, then reduce. Also eat ginger or something to help with nausea. You want to avoid puking for at least an hour or you won't trip. Two hours would be better and no puking is the best. Good luck!


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #21857023 - 06/25/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

also i highly reccomend reducing your tea so there is very little and then putting it in a pyrex pan to turn to tar. and some time in the freezer and flour will make it much easier to work with as the tar is very sticky


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21857033 - 06/25/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Go with 1 foot of bridgsii, using a crock pot on low to make a complete alkaloid extraction. Bridgesii has much more than mescaline to offer for an extraordinary alkaloid cocktail for your brains delight. Coming from personal experience, this is the way to go, no nausea effects within an hour and a half, lasting 18-24 hours. You'll love it.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: lovesquare]
    #21857707 - 06/25/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Do you have a link to the alkaloid extraction method you know works and is it much more difficult than straight up tea?


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #21857715 - 06/25/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry whats this tar thing how does it make it easier thanks.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21873708 - 06/29/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I know It's hard to say because of varying potency but if i was to get some powdered cactus how much would be a good dose and whats the best method of preparing it. I read one post that said regular tea wasnt great as the powder turned into a snotty slime that was impossible to get down lol


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21891738 - 07/03/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Right, I've decided to bite the bullet and order some fresh cuttings and some dry chips.

I'm going to do 3 brews with lemon juice using fresh, prefrozen cactus. It's San Pedro so how much weight wise would I need fresh?  The cuttings I'm buying are 30cm but I've no idea of thickness so we'll see.

Also gonna order some dry chips which are green flesh only. Any idea how many of the dry chips to use per portion?

Looking for a reasonable trip, I only have experience of Ayahuasca, mushrooms and Salvia.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21892754 - 07/03/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Thanks , I ordered 2 cuttings of each type so I guess I'll get to try them all.  I'll probably order another 6 next month.  I plan on growing a lot as it's such a slow process. 

Any idea on what size cutting would make a good dose of each variety, assuming Bridgesii is more potent.

Also how does mescaline make you feel, can you think straight and go explore a local park for example or will I need a sitter or take it at home?




Out of all of the psychedelics, mescaline is the one that keeps me thinking straight and even boosts my intelligence. Even whilst having proper visuals I am able to think in a logical way.

I'm guessing many users have not experienced this as most of trippers smoke weed at the same time.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21892769 - 07/03/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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sarahnya said:
Right, I've decided to bite the bullet and order some fresh cuttings and some dry chips.

I'm going to do 3 brews with lemon juice using fresh, prefrozen cactus. It's San Pedro so how much weight wise would I need fresh?  The cuttings I'm buying are 30cm but I've no idea of thickness so we'll see.

Also gonna order some dry chips which are green flesh only. Any idea how many of the dry chips to use per portion?

Looking for a reasonable trip, I only have experience of Ayahuasca, mushrooms and Salvia.




We are all happy to help, but many of your questions you asked you could have answered by yourself, searching on the internet. There are answers out there.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #21893258 - 07/03/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Thanks , I ordered 2 cuttings of each type so I guess I'll get to try them all.  I'll probably order another 6 next month.  I plan on growing a lot as it's such a slow process. 

Any idea on what size cutting would make a good dose of each variety, assuming Bridgesii is more potent.

Also how does mescaline make you feel, can you think straight and go explore a local park for example or will I need a sitter or take it at home?




Out of all of the psychedelics, mescaline is the one that keeps me thinking straight and even boosts my intelligence. Even whilst having proper visuals I am able to think in a logical way.

I'm guessing many users have not experienced this as most of trippers smoke weed at the same time.




Yeah well I definitely won't be smoking or doing anything else, I'm wanting a genuine experience.  Hence wanting to try the yucky tea first.  I'm really hoping it won't be a puke fest but I did fine with Ayahuasca and that was pretty rank.

Theres a really funny YouTube Vlog of this guy drinking SP tea, he like drags it out for hours and you can tell from his face he feels sick as a dog.  I don't want that lol


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21893270 - 07/03/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you can keep a straight face when doing shots of vodka, you should be fine with pedro.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #21893280 - 07/03/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Phew, it can't be that bad then.  That guy like literally took 6 hours to drink it lol

Personally I can't think of anything as bad as mimosa tea, it makes me shudder thinking of the taste!


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21894047 - 07/03/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh it most certainly is that bad if you made it right and the cactus has the goodies in it.  Makes me feel green every time I think about it.


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: BigHeart]
    #21895138 - 07/04/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh great thanks... How long does nausea last for lol


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Re: Cactus Tea Preparation and Varieties [Re: sarahnya]
    #21896513 - 07/04/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It can last anywhere from 10 minutes to a few hours.


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