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OfflineAlbinoRhino94
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Premature pinning?
    #21855061 - 06/25/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So I nocced my jars on the 2 of this month and its now 23 days later and like most people said the cambo's would do, they exploded with growth. Unfortunately it seems like they tried colonizing too quickly and started pinning before 100% colonization. I proceeded to move them to FC and so far it seems like no contams. On the most colonized cake however, it started to grow a fuzzy white top I'm not quite sure if this is normal. I have several pins on all 5 of my cakes now. If all goes well I am going to noc 5 more and try a bit of a different fruiting method. Ive kept my humidity up and my temps around 74-80F. Also on a 12/12 light schedule. Should I expect contams or does everything look good so far? Would you guys change anything? I also have horses outside my house should I use some horse poo for a substrate in the next batch?



These pics are from 2 days ago. Since then, more pins have come up and also in clusters. I think I'll stick with the cakes on this go around and try casing them next try.


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Re: Premature pinning? [Re: AlbinoRhino94]
    #21855227 - 06/25/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Glad you started a new thread. I didn't mean to step on the other guys toes. ya listen to PussyFart 12/12. I should not have said 16/8 ambient light without some evidence to back that up other than my own experiences. 

Can you post a better picture of your fruiting chamber please. I can't understand what you have going on there. Are the cakes sitting on an island of vermiculite in a larger bin of perlite?

Also if this happens again. allow the cakes to colonize as the pins grow invitro. birthing an X% colonized jar is risky, but hey you got cluster of pins so go for it.


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Re: Premature pinning? [Re: AlbinoRhino94]
    #21855260 - 06/25/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Do you have partially colonized cakes in your fc?  If so, it will contaminate.  Pinning before full colonization is usually a sign of contam as well.

Doesn't look good. You might want to get something else started.

See if anyone else might have an idea to salvage what you have by spawning healty growth. Probably a long shot though.

Good luck.


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Re: Premature pinning? [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21855315 - 06/25/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I was a bit eager to birth them once I saw pins so I just went ahead and did it. And for the verm in the bottom of my shotgun chamber, it has worked good so far as I now have some pins popping up around the cakes as well. There was one however that I'm afraid I may have killed from birthing the cakes into the chamber. I'll keep an eye on it. But I'm definitely trying a different birthing method next time I did not have a proper procedure for the first time. But in this chamber, I decided to try a few different containers to birth into. I also did not dunk and roll, I thought I would wait til the first flush and then D&R after the first flush




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Re: Premature pinning? [Re: AlbinoRhino94]
    #21855405 - 06/25/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

man i don't even know where to start with this one. That is not a shotgun fruiting chamber. In fact I see no holes in the larger bin or the smaller vessels inside.

It's an aquarium bubbler in a pitcher cake in a coffee pot verm island monstrosity. But if it's working for you then what can i say. There is a significant amount of exposed substrate on those cakes and like the poster above said, prime contamination real estate.

This gentleman does a nice job with SGFC's http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek

Good luck to you. My head hurts from those pics.


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Re: Premature pinning? [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21855447 - 06/25/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Lol yea this kinda did turn out to be a trainwreck the first go around. I just had to experiment with what I had. And I now know that I will use a monotub method for the next one. Unfortunately I had to use the terrarium for both my incubation chamber and birthing chamber so yeah it turned out horribly. I'll pick up a plastic tub from the store today and use the rest of the spores I have left (the proper way) I had high hopes going into this and I hope it turns out well, but next time I'll be waiting an extra week or so for colonization. I had just been fanning 2-3 times a day for airflow and resisting the urge to pick up the cakes. I'll keep posted and try to get them moved to a more suitable setup.


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Re: Premature pinning? [Re: AlbinoRhino94]
    #21855485 - 06/25/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

incubate on a shelf not in a fruitng chamber,
dont dunk n roll after a flush do it before your put them in the fc the first time,
rinse off the uncolonized parts now
and dont have the cakes sit on verm,
build a proper SGFC for fruiting cakes.

not much else to do when they pin prematurely. cant force them to NOT pin once they started you know..


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Re: Premature pinning? [Re: spacechildo]
    #21855513 - 06/25/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Okay so I'm going to dunk now then, and remove all excess verm, and tomorrow I will put them back into the FC but I removed the other glass jar and the ghetto coffee pot lmao. Don't know why I used that in the first place. Should I pick the pins off now before I dunk or just leave them on there?


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Re: Premature pinning? [Re: AlbinoRhino94]
    #21855543 - 06/25/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

leave the pins, they become your mushrooms when they're grown.
if you're not gonna build a sgfc at least find a way to get some air into that terrarium. can you leave the lid on askew or something?


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Re: Premature pinning? [Re: spacechildo]
    #21855586 - 06/25/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah that's exactly what I've been doing aside from fanning a few times a day, that way I can keep humidity up as well. I just dunked the cakes and removed the excess verm on the tops. Going to let them soak overnight and try again. Should I store them in the refrigerator or just at room temp? Thanks for the tips too, I realize now I was way to eager to get this project started.


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Re: Premature pinning? [Re: AlbinoRhino94]
    #21855715 - 06/25/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

room temp is fine.
rinse well after the dunk.

you didn't rush it, something happened (contam, compressed sub) that made your cakes pin.
you just forgot to rinse off the uncolonized stuff, dunk n roll and build a proper FC..


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Re: Premature pinning? [Re: spacechildo]
    #21855743 - 06/25/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

They are currently submerged in water and I am now working on a proper FC. All I have is a 20 gal terrarium but I have improvised and removed all excess equipment. I think I'm going to noc up 5 more jars tonight and let them sit on a shelf so by the time my old cakes start pinning again, ill have some more colonizing and have some ready by the 4th of July :mushroom2::eek::crazy2:


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Re: Premature pinning? [Re: AlbinoRhino94]
    #21856104 - 06/25/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

if by 20 gal terrarium you mean it is made of glass and will have no holes and therefore no way to evaporate the moisture from the perlite then you are still kissing your sister.

go buy a plastic tote and make a proper SGFC. They are reusable and you already have everything you need minus the tote.

Good luck to you.


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