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    #21853243 - 06/24/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If you never read the Quran and knew the love of Muhammed. You are missing out. Muhammed is love. Muhammed is the truth. Hummus is amazing. I love Muhammed...and Hummus. And pita bread. It's the only way to the truth.

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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Confucian]
    #21853282 - 06/25/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Actually, Jesus is love. The Word of The Lord is the only way to the truth.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: D.M.T]
    #21853284 - 06/25/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

why does he want me to be exploded?

jesus seems like a cooler dude. you know, do unto others and all that jazz

or is it allah who wants me exploded? i dont even know.


Edited by Adolin (06/25/15 12:02 AM)


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Confucian]
    #21853295 - 06/25/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Confucian said:
If you never read the Quran and knew the love of Muhammed. You are missing out. Muhammed is love. Muhammed is the truth. Hummus is amazing. I love Muhammed...and Hummus. And pita bread. It's the only way to the truth.

:heart:



You didn't say "peace be upon him." You're in big fucking trouble.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: koods]
    #21853328 - 06/25/15 12:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Life is difficult for most everyone on our planet, so I would say that Love is a sport too, but we like to Love- don't we?


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Confucian]
    #21853329 - 06/25/15 12:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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...and Hummus. And pita bread. It's the only way to the truth.

:heart:




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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: lovesquare] * 5
    #21853341 - 06/25/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't always listen to pedophiles but

When I do I make them my prophet.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: lovesquare]
    #21853342 - 06/25/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i was forced to try hummus by a 94 year old.

it was gross. tasted like a mix of salt, sharp chedder, butter, with a little dirt mixed in for a gritty texture

pita bread isnt bad, but i'm not big on lamb


Edited by Adolin (06/25/15 12:20 AM)


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: koods] * 3
    #21853362 - 06/25/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: trekie]
    #21853822 - 06/25/15 05:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)



I think he was a pedofile, but the only evidence I have for that really is the Quran, so who knows.  It's not like I trust the Quran, but he probably was a pedofile.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21853921 - 06/25/15 06:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

All hail the all father.  Odin is not love,  odin demands you harden the fuck up.

Hummus is amazing though, i could eat that shit all day.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Bjorn_Stormcrow]
    #21853968 - 06/25/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Let's all start worshipping hummus and pita.  :nodofunderstanding:


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21854009 - 06/25/15 07:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Homage to thee, O Osiris, the lord of eternity, the king of the gods...


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    #21854039 - 06/25/15 07:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Confucian]
    #21854055 - 06/25/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Mohammed, piss be upon him.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Confucian]
    #21854057 - 06/25/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Confucian said:
If you never read the Quran and knew the love of Muhammed. You are missing out. Muhammed is love. Muhammed is the truth. Hummus is amazing. I love Muhammed...and Hummus. And pita bread. It's the only way to the truth.

:heart:




Hummus is amazing

I could use a Quran

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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Beanhead] * 3
    #21854065 - 06/25/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Meh, fuck Mohammed, Jesus and all their friends. Religion is for idiots.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21854106 - 06/25/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well if anything Buddhism seems like the most scientific outlook on spirituality I've seen so far.  Some people like the idea of having a spiritual guidance in their lives and I see nothing wrong with that. 

It's the prostelitizers and biggotry I see with fundamentalists that seem like the real problem when you delve into these issues.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #21854149 - 06/25/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Meh, fuck Mohammed, Jesus and all their friends. Religion is for idiots.




Qft. Only thing I'd change is organized religion and anyone whO goes along with it is a moron. Almost all of my religious friends you wouldn't even know are religious, they don't talk about it and when we did they basically admitted that it's just nice to think you'll see your loved ones again and that this shit hole isn't the only thing we get to experience. If all religion was as simple as that I'd have no problem with it.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21854176 - 06/25/15 08:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's the thing though.  It seems once a religion has really established itself for a long time they really seem to die down on all the fundamentalist violent bullcrap (save for a few such as certain sects of islam). 

Hell even now peaceful Tibetan Buddhists slaughtered the native Bon people and incorperated their religions into the fold before they really held power in Tibet for a while.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21854218 - 06/25/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Islam is an immature religion much like Christianity was during the time of the Inquisition.  Why it takes these morons more than a thousand years to simmer down is beyond me.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21854234 - 06/25/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Because at that point they usually have enough control over their given lands that they no longer feel the need to be violent.  I mean look at the changes in Catholisism in the past 10 years or so.  I'd say they're really going for a more conservitive feel with this new Pope.

I've always been one to respect other's beliefs until it get into that violent space.  After all it doesn't really matter what the symbol you're worshipping is; just the fact that you're putting some sort of faith in a belief system that gives it any power.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21854236 - 06/25/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I second the hummus love. And tabouleh. Tabouleh is good too.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21854240 - 06/25/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: trekie]
    #21854242 - 06/25/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:cookiemonster:


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21854259 - 06/25/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

sadly and somewhat ironically its only the offshoots of the abrahamic religions that seem prone to ultra-violence.
I think it stems from the roots in judaism that say ONLY those who follow that religion are worthy of saved, chosen people and all that, and ONLY their god is the "real one". but judaism is also a racial religion, in that you can't really "convert" to judaism, you need to be born or married into it (at least in all but the most liberal branches of it)
once it made the jump from being a purely racial religion to a multi-racial one is where the problems seemed to start, with christianity and islam they both carried over that "one true god" ideology, but attached to it a NEED to convert EVERYONE ELSE, and they don't seem to be too picky on if that conversion comes at the end of a sword or not.
Because any other religion, and any other gods completely fly in the face of their "one true god" belief.

Contrast that with pretty much every other religion that either doesn't give a damn what other people are doing, or is completely okay with the existence of other gods. in my religion for example, there is plenty of room for other deities not part of my particular pantheon, I'm even okay with people worshiping the christ god. If your gods work for you thats cool, keep on rocking your gods, mine work best for me.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: trekie]
    #21854261 - 06/25/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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TheGreenArrow said:
That's the thing though.  It seems once a religion has really established itself for a long time they really seem to die down on all the fundamentalist violent bullcrap (save for a few such as certain sects of islam). 

Hell even now peaceful Tibetan Buddhists slaughtered the native Bon people and incorperated their religions into the fold before they really held power in Tibet for a while.




It seems like this if you refuse to look at the big picture.  I'd say the opposite is true in the larger historical context.  The longer a religion is around, and the more ingrained it becomes in out collective consciousness, the more dangerous it becomes. 

I don't think people even realize that the basic presumption that Christianity was started by some guy named Jesus, who is descended from the Jews who supposedly had all these novel religious experiences as a people, that suspiciously mirror the accounts of peoples that predated them (with minor tweaks), can be easily shown to be questionable. 

There are no "real Christians" or "real Muslims" and statements like that are often the fundamental justification for religious persecution of people who are not "real" whatevers.  It's all bullshit, and if you care about truth which most such religious people claim to, it is all dangerous.

To me having a population that favors a lie over the truth is the most dangerous thing I can imagine.  To steal a line from the Christians, who I do not hate just disagree with on a fundamental level, "you've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything".  Just being for something because it is of "your people" and because it makes you feel good is dangerous.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Bjorn_Stormcrow]
    #21854265 - 06/25/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:sambergfive:  This guy gets it!  Its the intent, not the symbol that gives those motivations power.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21854278 - 06/25/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

While I'll agree that's somewhat true in some cases.  You have to recognize that not all sects of all religions are that fundamentalist.  Where the really interesting things come out is when people look past their own beliefs and recognize that it's all just different ways to explain the same experience that most religious activity shines IMHO.

They're all just trying to explain how they themselves got to experience what they consider "God" or "Buddha" or "Universe".  I think thats a great thing.  It's when the "This is the only TRUE way to God" idea comes about that people start trying to take advantage of the system for their own personal political games that shit can really get out of hand.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21854380 - 06/25/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I think he was a pedofile, but the only evidence I have for that really is the Quran, so who knows.  It's not like I trust the Quran, but he probably was a pedofile.






1600 years ago everyone was a pedophile, it wasnt until the last hundred years
that things such as age of consent laws were being enacted and enforced, it wasnt
uncommon for a 10 year old to be married off in england just 300 years ago, you
come from a culture of pedophilia just like the rest of the people on the planet


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21854407 - 06/25/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:thataintright: Even if that sweeping generalization based on your interpretation of what I assume must be historical sources you have encountered in your research were true, that doesn't mean that it is ok. 

Lots of pedephiles say they genuinely love children, but it is completely arrogant and selfish to put your own needs above those of a child.  It's not even like this is in the past Pris, it is still a problem today.  I totally agree it is part of our shared history as well as a modern reality unfortunately.  I really hope you're just being belligerent because you hold a grudge against me.  Are you going to say I am a bigot because I hate pedophiles now?


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21854410 - 06/25/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Pedophile means friend of children.
No, I do not condone sexual acts with children.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Beanhead]
    #21854459 - 06/25/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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:thataintright: Even if that sweeping generalization based on your interpretation of what I assume must be historical sources you have encountered in your research were true, that doesn't mean that it is ok. 

Lots of pedephiles say they genuinely love children, but it is completely arrogant and selfish to put your own needs above those of a child.  It's not even like this is in the past Pris, it is still a problem today.  I totally agree it is part of our shared history as well as a modern reality unfortunately.  I really hope you're just being belligerent because you hold a grudge against me.  Are you going to say I am a bigot because I hate pedophiles now?





hating groups is bigotry, it's a fact. there is nothing wrong with being a bigot


this isnt some assumption of mine, it's a well documented fact, when a girl
reached puberty she was considered to be of the age for marriage, you can still
see this in a lot of cultures today but a few hundred years ago the norm was
for a girl to be married off when she started menstruating and that was pretty
much world wide, now the only reason you say it's wrong is because that is what
you're conditioned to do or it's simply not appealing to you, it's no different
than homosexuality. 2000 years ago only the religious nuts saw it as a sin, it
was common place in europe, the americas, it still is in asia but because the
abrahamic religions have deemed it a sin and the majority of the world's
population falls under this classification it is a taboo now in the west
because it's what people have been conditioned to believe

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Pedophile means friend of children.
No, I do not condone sexual acts with children.




but you arent condemning them, therefore...


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Bjorn_Stormcrow]
    #21854468 - 06/25/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Ulfrick said:
sadly and somewhat ironically its only the offshoots of the abrahamic religions that seem prone to ultra-violence.





all religions are the same in that regard, even those peace loving buddhist are ultra violent

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/2/myanmars-buddhist-terrorism-problem.html


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Patlal]
    #21854480 - 06/25/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Meh, fuck Mohammed, Jesus and all their friends. Religion is for idiots.





Maybe so, but upon my observations, religious people seem to be happier and more at peace than the non-religious people.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21854481 - 06/25/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

When there's grass on the field it's time to play, huh?  I would like to point out that back in the day people also started their working life about the same time.  There was no luxury of endless college and living in mom's basement.  Times were different and values change.

There are two Muhammeds.  When he was in Mecca and when he was in Medina.  The Mecca Muhammed was reasonably benign but the Medina Muhammed was a fucking violent nutcase.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21854487 - 06/25/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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When there's grass on the field it's time to play, huh? 





that's funny because your wife said the same thing to me last night


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21854495 - 06/25/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Ulfrick said:
sadly and somewhat ironically its only the offshoots of the abrahamic religions that seem prone to ultra-violence.





all religions are the same in that regard, even those peace loving buddhist are ultra violent

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/2/myanmars-buddhist-terrorism-problem.html





how are all religions the same?


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21854503 - 06/25/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.  It really seems to me like you're trying to justify pedophilia, but since you're so pedantic lately I honestly don't know.

I understand the definition of bigotry, that is not an issue.  I freely admit I am 100% a bigot when it comes to pedophiles.  You got me I guess.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21854516 - 06/25/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I mean at a certain point lines in the sand HAVE to be drawn down they?  Its not like a child could protect themselves in situations like that and to say otherwise is just belligerant.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21854526 - 06/25/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Because at that point they usually have enough control over their given lands that they no longer feel the need to be violent.  I mean look at the changes in Catholisism in the past 10 years or so.  I'd say they're really going for a more conservitive feel with this new Pope.

I've always been one to respect other's beliefs until it get into that violent space.  After all it doesn't really matter what the symbol you're worshipping is; just the fact that you're putting some sort of faith in a belief system that gives it any power.



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Because at that point they usually have enough control over their given lands that they no longer feel the need to be violent.  I mean look at the changes in Catholisism in the past 10 years or so.  I'd say they're really going for a more conservitive feel with this new Pope.

I've always been one to respect other's beliefs until it get into that violent space.  After all it doesn't really matter what the symbol you're worshipping is; just the fact that you're putting some sort of faith in a belief system that gives it any power.



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Because at that point they usually have enough control over their given lands that they no longer feel the need to be violent.  I mean look at the changes in Catholisism in the past 10 years or so.  I'd say they're really going for a more conservitive feel with this new Pope.

I've always been one to respect other's beliefs until it get into that violent space.  After all it doesn't really matter what the symbol you're worshipping is; just the fact that you're putting some sort of faith in a belief system that gives it any power.



Buddhists and Muslims of Bangladesh and Myanmar are still in a violent conflict to this day.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21854531 - 06/25/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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When there's grass on the field it's time to play, huh? 





that's funny because your wife said the same thing to me last night




You have pubes?  I had you pegged at about 9 years old.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21854546 - 06/25/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I cut some hair off my head and taped it to my crotch. So yes, I do have pubes.

But what I was actually saying was your wife has the grass on the field.

oh well, it works either way because of the hair taped to my balls


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: D.M.T]
    #21854562 - 06/25/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's super sad, and there are many different sects of Buddhism.  I was simply trying to pick out a more peaceful denomination of the religion (Tibetan Buddhism) because in recent times it's become one of the more peaceful religions in the world.  Granted though that's after the fact they slaughtered an entire culture to do it. :shrug:

It's super sad that people feel the need to do this shit.  But at the same time part of me wants to believe that someday people can look past their differences in this shit and adopt a "maybe" mentality rather than the Aristotlean "Yes/No" logic that seems so prevalent when it comes to these subjects.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21854567 - 06/25/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You've got a homemade Merkin?  Thats ingenuity right there!  How you been Bill?


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21854595 - 06/25/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
:thataintright: Even if that sweeping generalization based on your interpretation of what I assume must be historical sources you have encountered in your research were true, that doesn't mean that it is ok. 

Lots of pedephiles say they genuinely love children, but it is completely arrogant and selfish to put your own needs above those of a child.  It's not even like this is in the past Pris, it is still a problem today.  I totally agree it is part of our shared history as well as a modern reality unfortunately.  I really hope you're just being belligerent because you hold a grudge against me.  Are you going to say I am a bigot because I hate pedophiles now?





hating groups is bigotry, it's a fact. there is nothing wrong with being a bigot


this isnt some assumption of mine, it's a well documented fact, when a girl
reached puberty she was considered to be of the age for marriage, you can still
see this in a lot of cultures today but a few hundred years ago the norm was
for a girl to be married off when she started menstruating and that was pretty
much world wide, now the only reason you say it's wrong is because that is what
you're conditioned to do or it's simply not appealing to you, it's no different
than homosexuality. 2000 years ago only the religious nuts saw it as a sin, it
was common place in europe, the americas, it still is in asia but because the
abrahamic religions have deemed it a sin and the majority of the world's
population falls under this classification it is a taboo now in the west
because it's what people have been conditioned to believe

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Pedophile means friend of children.
No, I do not condone sexual acts with children.




but you arent condemning them, therefore...




There's a huge difference between thinking about and acting upon.
I know what it's like to have reoccuring feelings your whole life that never go away.

It'd be more "in taste" if they say drew children with clothes on as an outlet for this paraphilia.
That'd be understandable, I have an innate urge to have children too, they may piss me off at times but deep down I love children, or atleast having them.
I just don't see the point in acting upon sexual urges.

What if they really, really do love children and instead of them becoming loving and caring people (potential for caretakers, teachers, sitters, etc)
They misunderstand themselves and became bitter and angry and act upon it nontheless because society shuns this as awhole?

This cracked article made me rethink stuff

There's no right or wrong :shrugs:



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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Beanhead]
    #21854664 - 06/25/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thinking about something is part of the progression towards actually doing something.  I'm not going to get in the realm of fantasies because I am a big proponent that fantasy and reality can be kept separate in healthy individuals.  That is a different thing from having sexual urges involving minors.  That is not normal or acceptable.

The reason for this is simple.  Children are more vulnerable than adults, more impressionable, and have more at stake.  Every person has inherent rights and deserves basic respect, even children.  Until people have been deemed old enough to fully understand all the implications of sex they are off limits.  Don't even think about it.  It is not ok as long as you get away with it, it is a gross violation of the social contract and makes you a horrible person without exception.

If someone wants to invent a 15 year old fantasy waifu because they find the idea of underage girls titillating, fine, but that is pretty pathetic and I think those people should probably seek counseling.  I understand that there are some circumstances where this might seem unfair (ie an 18 year old being charged for having sex with a 17 year old) but to disagree with the basic premise of pedophilia being wrong shows exceptionally poor character in my opinion, and is very concerning to me.

I'm not trying to level any accusations here, but of course sexually exploiting children is wrong, even though it happens.  I think people should be very careful what they say regarding that and not try and split hairs here.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Beanhead]
    #21854676 - 06/25/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Unfortunately; children are flat-out too young to protect themselves or even make decisions on any of this.  It's abhorant to think that it's remotely "okay" for an adult to "Love" a child in a physical manner or otherwise because of the fact that they're too young to even know whatever it is they're getting into.  They can't make rational decisions when it comes to this.

Adults that subject children to this stuff are straight up vermin IMHO.  It's just taking advantage of weak people.  That shit is flat-out wrong.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21854685 - 06/25/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Thinking about something is part of the progression towards actually doing something.  I'm not going to get in the realm of fantasies because I am a big proponent that fantasy and reality can be kept separate in healthy individuals.  That is a different thing from having sexual urges involving minors.  That is not normal or acceptable.

The reason for this is simple.  Children are more vulnerable than adults, more impressionable, and have more at stake.  Every person has inherent rights and deserves basic respect, even children.  Until people have been deemed old enough to fully understand all the implications of sex they are off limits.  Don't even think about it.  It is not ok as long as you get away with it, it is a gross violation of the social contract and makes you a horrible person without exception.

If someone wants to invent a 15 year old fantasy waifu because they find the idea of underage girls titillating, fine, but that is pretty pathetic and I think those people should probably seek counseling.  I understand that there are some circumstances where this might seem unfair (ie an 18 year old being charged for having sex with a 17 year old) but to disagree with the basic premise of pedophilia being wrong shows exceptionally poor character in my opinion, and is very concerning to me.

I'm not trying to level any accusations here, but of course sexually exploiting children is wrong, even though it happens.  I think people should be very careful what they say regarding that and not try and split hairs here.




As I said, I don't condone sexual acts with children.

I'm not talking about phsyical love.

Oh and i'm not a pedophile before you guys start raging even harder :lol:


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21854711 - 06/25/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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    #21854723 - 06/25/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm really trying to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.  It is a red flag to me though when someone seems ignorant to why it is actually wrong, but I admit I am only basing that on a few words here when I know everyone here to be pretty good people in general.

It's like skepticism taken too far.  I am all for questioning things, but it is so inherently clear to me how manipulating children into sexual acts hurts them.  If my ancestors did that, shame on them.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21854734 - 06/25/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21854742 - 06/25/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You've got a homemade Merkin?  Thats ingenuity right there!  How you been Bill?





ive been good actually. 7 days now clean off the H..getting along with the wife..my 2 year old son is just perfect. life is going pretty damn well for me now. I hope it keeps going like this..but as we all know sooner or later something devastating happens like losing a loved one..getting sick..money issues..etc..but as of now, those things have passed me by.

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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21854752 - 06/25/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Your son is 2 years old and you have been clean for 7 days?


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21854770 - 06/25/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

sorry for the thread jack but heres the little bugger



and zappa, I have been clean for 7 days in a row but have only used a few times in the past few months.

I know its not perfect, but im progressing.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21854773 - 06/25/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Been a rocky road this past month, but I've been off Alcohol a month so far because I've found I've lost the ability to drink socially.  I'm a total binge drinker and it seems to fuck me over every time.  So I cut that shit outta my life.

Its given me a bit of clarity.

Keep up the good work in staying clean Bill.  I hope you find whatever it is to get that monkey off your back.  I know all to well how that shit can effect people.  Had to cut out one of my absolute best friends and lovers due to opiate use.  I pray that shit never happens to you brotha.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21854795 - 06/25/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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sorry for the thread jack but heres the little bugger



and zappa, I have been clean for 7 days in a row but have only used a few times in the past few months.

I know its not perfect, but im progressing.




I think I'd like to meet his mom because she seems like she is fun as hell.  Keep it up man.  When he moves out and is on his own you can go back to being a moron but for the next 16 or so years you owe him


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21854809 - 06/25/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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sorry for the thread jack but heres the little bugger



and zappa, I have been clean for 7 days in a row but have only used a few times in the past few months.

I know its not perfect, but im progressing.



Your wife, :kaneclap:


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21854835 - 06/25/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I know I always say this but you really should get on maintenance and start taking your life seriously.  It helped me alot at least.  Just give up on the dope once and for all and commit to ending the cycle.  You should know better by now, and making it a week is easy but developing coping mechanisms that will work in the long term is a constant battle, and you'll need all the help you can get.

Good luck, it's awesome to know that you're trying, because that really is the most important thing no matter what anyone says.  Don't let self-doubt creep in because you are tough shit :peace: stay strong man.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Webster10]
    #21854858 - 06/25/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:lol: that's actually my ex, my wifes good friend. Shes an awesome girlm but we mutually broke it off because we both just had so much going on in our lives to the point a relationship just wouldn't work. We loved eachother and even had plans to get married awhile back, but I don't know, she just wasn't that girl you could be around and feel TOTALLY free. I needed a girl that accepted me for me and I wouldn't have to worry about her caring if I let myself go a little bit. I guess her standards were just too high for me and it made me feel uncomfortable at times. Shes also made it clear to me that she would have liked me to be a little more out-going..but hey that's just not me im a lazy son of a gun

my wife:

the one on the left..i know, when it comes to looks I have downgraded but shes way more "chill"..the love of my life







and moonrock, I am on methadone maintenance and it has saved my life. I would be out everyday hustling and junked out to the max if it wasn't for methadone. without methadone, id have no chance. I had 8 months when I first started the clinic..im eager to get back on the wagon and do it the right way again. even in this 7 days..i feel great. I no longer am sick and the worst is behind me. I just hope I can keep it going. You know what...I WILL keep it going. I am not going to lose my family/life for a drug


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Flowing out means far-reaching;
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    #21854878 - 06/25/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well I for one think the woman on the left is a knock-out beauty sir!  :sambergfive:


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21854879 - 06/25/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah you have to be careful with the hustling.  I'm not someone who says you've got to cut out every friend who uses, but I do think that you've really got to change that hustler mentality.  Like no selling your doses, or shit like that.  That is all part of the cycle.

That's awesome though.  If you're actually 100% clean I guess you probably could avoid maintenance, but you definitely should be in some sort of program that you can tolerate and helps you.

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the one on the left..i know, when it comes to looks I have downgraded but shes way more "chill"..the love of my life




:shocked: Not in my opinion, they're equally beautiful.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21854880 - 06/25/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

But why are the thoughts there, seen at a young age, in the first place :strokebeard:

I kinda got used to that same-y line of thought though:
Your condition is unreal because I cannot fathom it
You are mentally ill
You have no ingrained moral compass
coping mechanism is subpar and shameful
need treatment
Personal attack because no further thought neccesary
You should not talk about this and it makes me angry

No, I can just look at things from another perspective.

:yawn: and thus all issues are buried, not spoken about and no progression in psychological treatment is seen.

Yay!

I should become a psychologist, the mind is fascinating. :rofl2:


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: TheGreenArrow] * 1
    #21854911 - 06/25/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Well I for one think the woman on the left is a knock-out beauty sir!  :sambergfive:





many of my friends think the girl I posted before, holding my son, is stunning. they said id never do better than her blah blah blah

looks aren't that important to me. I mean they are important, but id rather have a good looking girl with a great personality than a model-type REAL pretty girl with just just a decent personality.

I mean to this day I don't know how I ended up with either of them :lol: I guess I got lucky

thanks man..shes a great girl. but its our son that I would do anything for.

I mean, I don't even have sex hardly anymore because of the damn methadone and just being worn out from the kid. Sex was never really important to me, anyway.

but yeah, methadone is a lifesaver for me. Im so thankful for it. I wish I didn't need it at all and I could just be totally sober but oh well..someday..

I know 7 days is nothing to proud of, but for me, the first 5 days is the hardest. The 1st 5 days i am literally pacing around the house doing everything i can not to give in. Straight fiend status.

but when day 6 and 7 approach, im good...the cravings decrease a ton and i feel totally normal.

the trick is at this point, is keeping myself busy. When i get bored, i use. I cant slip into that again.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Beanhead]
    #21854929 - 06/25/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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But why are the thoughts there, seen at a young age, in the first place :strokebeard:

I kinda got used to that same-y line of thought though:
Your condition is unreal because I cannot fathom it
You are mentally ill
You have no ingrained moral compass
coping mechanism is subpar and shameful
need treatment
Personal attack because no further thought neccesary
You should not talk about this and it makes me angry

No, I can just look at things from another perspective.

:yawn: and thus all issues are buried, not spoken about and no progression in psychological treatment is seen.

Yay!

I should become a psychologist, the mind is fascinating. :rofl2:




I'm all for psychological discussions, but when someone implies that pedophilia and homosexuality are the same thing I take offense, and I will not entertain semantic arguments intended to diminish responsibility for people who commit sexual acts against children in any context.

People who have urges to do anything of a sexual nature with children need treatment.  It is better for everyone to have pedos seek treatment while they are free and before they follow through with their urges, as then they have the benefit of their business being kept confidential, and ideally measures can be put in place to minimize any potential risk to children.

I don't expect people to be able to control their urges, the desire to do something is what leads people to do things.  Especially when it comes to sex, judgement can become clouded, which is why I think it is so important to have a firm understanding of not just the laws in your area, but why it is wrong to view children in this way.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21854932 - 06/25/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You know what would be really cool?  8 days.  You can do eet.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21854960 - 06/25/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hum *blushes*

That's valid! I mixed up words, with paraphilia I ment "obsessive thought that reoccurs life-long"
Thanks for clearing that up.
Your earlier comment on "just a few words" holds even more truth now.
Sorry for the attacking stance.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21854969 - 06/25/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You know what would be really cool?  8 days.  You can do eet.




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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21855022 - 06/25/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Meh, fuck Mohammed, Jesus and all their friends. Religion is for idiots.





Maybe so, but upon my observations, religious people seem to be happier and more at peace than the non-religious people.




Nah, that's not true.

Most modern countries are on the happy side and many of their citizens renounced religion. I have never worshiped and will never kiss my floor 5 times a day in the name of allah or whatever name you want to give the guy upstairs. I'm perfectly happy. 

Faith, spirituality and morality can all be gained by yourself. What I hate is that religion appropriated these things and claim that without them it is impossible to achieve. Well that's crap. I have faith in myself, I'm not spiritual simly because it doesn't fit my personailty and I'm a very moral guy (In real life).


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Beanhead]
    #21855025 - 06/25/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Hum *blushes*

That's valid! I mixed up words, with paraphilia I ment "obsessive thought that reoccurs life-long"
Thanks for clearing that up.
Your earlier comment on "just a few words" holds even more truth now.
Sorry for the attacking stance.




It's ok.  I mean I'm certainly guilty of taking silly arguments too far sometimes, but there is no room for that when it comes to this subject IMO.  For someone like pris, who I know alot of people respect and admire, I think it is a huge error in judgement to say some of the things he did.  I think he's just upset at me for being a liberal or whatever, but this can't be such a divisive issue as alot of the things we talk about.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21855058 - 06/25/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Muhammad is a fool who took the real gospel and twisted it for his own man made benifit..  look at his followers.. they all serve flesh. 

He's just some one off fake copy..

Whats that you say, you like him?... you like his service of flesh?  He tells you what you want to hear you say?

Have fun with that...the real ears hear the real Word..  and know..

Muhammed is just a generic rip off of the real truth serving an agenda...

I cant recall a muhammed follower that was ever enlightened into the secrets of the unknown...  just people in a pinch who served man made agendas...  :haha:

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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21855063 - 06/25/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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looks like she's lost weight.

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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Amanita86]
    #21855074 - 06/25/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Muhammad is a fool who took the real gospel and twisted it for his own man made benifit..





lol woa there.  muhammad was a crazy homeless guy who lived in a cave.  he lived poor, and he died poor.

the quran is an assembly of all his teachings compiled years after he died.  he didn't benefit from the quran at all


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: k00laid]
    #21855088 - 06/25/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I for one like a thicker woman.  More to hold onto. :africaface:


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: k00laid]
    #21855089 - 06/25/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Doesn't mean hes not just an acknowledged rip off artist..


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Amanita86]
    #21855095 - 06/25/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Doesn't mean hes not just an acknowledged rip off artist..




but it does mean you are a liar.

or just clueless.

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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: k00laid]
    #21855103 - 06/25/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How am I a liar, or clueless?


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Amanita86]
    #21855109 - 06/25/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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and twisted it for his own man made benifit.



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no he didnt



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Doesn't mean hes not just an acknowledged rip off artist..





so are you sticking to your original claim that he did it for his own man made benefit?


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: k00laid]
    #21855122 - 06/25/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah.  Its a spin off of truth.

Its like when some form of music is breaking and someone sets a new standard...you always have rip-offs.  Muhammed is a fraud leech..

He serves flesh, not spirit..


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    #21855126 - 06/25/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah.




then why did you concede when i informed you that he lived poor and died poor?


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: ChinChiller]
    #21855187 - 06/25/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

But what about the people like "Hassan I Sabbah"?  I'd say without his "Hashassins" Many MANY more people would've died in Afghanistan back in his time.  I'd say the death of a few Generals far outweighed the deaths of entire armies.


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    #21855293 - 06/25/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

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Yeah.




then why did you concede when i informed you that he lived poor and died poor?



I didnt concede to shit homeboy..many a poor people pull off amazing things.  I can give examples.  My point is that hes a generic twist on what's true.. so that love factor, you can toss that shit out the window..  muhammad is a fraud, and his followers are loose cannon mental patients....

Most were probably forced..

Its the ones who now find something magical, and become fanatics.. thats your problrm...


All that aside, my original point is muhhamad is a spin off..aka a thief
twisting for agenda...  mohammed is love?  Get the fuck out of here with that trash..


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Amanita86]
    #21855301 - 06/25/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Aka a false prophet...


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: k00laid]
    #21855308 - 06/25/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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k00laid said:
Quote:

Amanita86 said:
Yeah.




then why did you concede when i informed you that he lived poor and died poor?



I didnt concede to shit homeboy..many a poor people pull off amazing things.  I can give examples.  My point is that hes a generic twist on what's true.. so that love factor, you can toss that shit out the window..  muhammad is a fraud, and his followers are loose cannon mental patients....

Most were probably forced..

Its the ones who now find something magical, and become fanatics.. thats your problrm...


All that aside, my original point is muhhamad is a spin off..aka a thief
twisting for agenda...  mohammed is love?  Get the fuck out of here with that trash..





you still have yet to provide evidence of your original claim.

and you continue to avoid the fact that i am challenging your original claim. 

allow me to make this very simple for you.



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and twisted it for his own man made benifit.



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no he didnt





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    #21855359 - 06/25/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Your first claim?


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Amanita86]
    #21855415 - 06/25/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Fuck all this Islamic douchbaggery, you hippies better be strapped up when their sleeper army awakens. :laugh:


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Robo]
    #21855433 - 06/25/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

dude was a pedo
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    #21855450 - 06/25/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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All hail the all father.  Odin is not love,  odin demands you harden the fuck up.

Hummus is amazing though, i could eat that shit all day.



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Muhammad is a fool who took the real gospel and twisted it for his own man made benifit..





lol woa there.  muhammad was a crazy homeless guy who lived in a cave.  he lived poor, and he died poor.




No, not exactly. Although of lowly descent, he married the daughter of a wealthy merchant. He was expected to run the family business, but proved less apt at it than is wife, who ran the business until she died (she was much older than Muhammad). He inherited the business but supposedly he let it go down the drain and he used what money it generated to fund his campaigns after he was driven away from Mecca. It's unclear if he died poor or not, but he had a large number of followers around him who provided anything he needed. During his last years, he lived with his favorite wife (I think it was Khadija) who is the source of the pedophile story, as he married her when she was 9 (she was his 5th wife or so). He never really lived in a cave, save for the few periods in time in his early years of marriage to his first wife, when he went out into the desert to receive his visions (much like Jesus' 40-day stay in the desert). Allegedly, these visions were brought on by the form of epilepsy he suffered from (as speculated by many researchers in more modern times).

Btw, pris and zappa made two very valid points: yes, by modern standards Mohammad was a pedophile, but back in the day, much like with the ancient Greeks, pedophilia wasn't considered abnormal (quite the contrary in fact). And zappa's right that the Mohammad of the early period was very benign and if you read about his early life, he comes as a very pleasant, charismatic and loving character - albeit slightly mental. He turned violent and hateful after being driven out of Mekka and becoming involved in the tribal wars that are inherent to the area. This involvement was the result of Mohammad by then having gained sufficient followers to constitute a political movement that could no longer be ignored by the local warlords and that they perceived as a threat to their own kingdoms.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: koraks]
    #21855477 - 06/25/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Same to you sir; see edit.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: koraks]
    #21855515 - 06/25/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I find it disheartening that many people here who talk about Muhammed actually know nothing about him and it has always been sad to me when utterly ignorant people opine in public.  Except that I get to beat them like rented mules, which is fun fun fun.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Adolin]
    #21855523 - 06/25/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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i was forced to try hummus by a 94 year old.

it was gross. tasted like a mix of salt, sharp chedder, butter, with a little dirt mixed in for a gritty texture

pita bread isnt bad, but i'm not big on lamb



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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: koraks]
    #21855530 - 06/25/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've heard a pretty interesting story about how he was influenced heavily by one specific Christian monk who was tied in with the Eastern Roman Empire or Constantine or whoever it was.  I don't remember all the details, and it seemed likely it was revisionist history I'll admit, but basically it made the case that Islam was manufactured in order to gain control of the various tribes that were in the area of modern day Saudi Peninsula. 

I can appreciate the things you're saying koraks, but it is nearly impossible to get unbiased information on Mohammed.  There is just too much pollution from religion in the historical record on both sides to ever get an accurate picture of him IMO.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21855711 - 06/25/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's true. But there's a late 19th century British biography that seems to come as close as you can realistically get. Based on many stories of Arabians the author spoke when he resided in the region. Reliable? Probably not entirely. But definitely credible.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Patlal]
    #21855714 - 06/25/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Meh, fuck Mohammed, Jesus and all their friends. Religion is for idiots.





Maybe so, but upon my observations, religious people seem to be happier and more at peace than the non-religious people.




Nah, that's not true.

Most modern countries are on the happy side and many of their citizens renounced religion. I have never worshiped and will never kiss my floor 5 times a day in the name of allah or whatever name you want to give the guy upstairs. I'm perfectly happy. 

Faith, spirituality and morality can all be gained by yourself. What I hate is that religion appropriated these things and claim that without them it is impossible to achieve. Well that's crap. I have faith in myself, I'm not spiritual simly because it doesn't fit my personailty and I'm a very moral guy (In real life).





i agree with you, but i also disagree.

see, woth religious people, they are happy, but only because they are ignorant.

REAL enlightenment, is being truly in the name intelligence and truth. Its hard to do because of the world we live in, but when accomplished, its awesome...as you probably know.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: k00laid]
    #21855763 - 06/25/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Mohammed was not poor.  And he didn't live in a cave.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: lowbrow]
    #21855852 - 06/25/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Mohammed was not poor.  And he didn't live in a cave.




True.

He didn't exist.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Patlal]
    #21855931 - 06/25/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think there is alot more evidence for the existence of Mohammed compared to Jesus, or at least the Jesus of the Bible.  I do agree there's some evidence to go on.  He probably wasn't even a bad guy most of the time, but to me there are some glaring issues that indicate he doesn't make a very good role model or example for morality.

It's true that morality changes from culture to culture, but by that same token I believe an idolized figure like Mohammed would probably highly disapprove of many of the modern cultures that use his works to justify their beliefs, including or even especially the more moderate Islamic cultures.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Patlal] * 2
    #21856296 - 06/25/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Mohammed is a bitch ass nigga.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Robo] * 1
    #21856304 - 06/25/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Krystal "Neurosoup" Cole is a bitch ass hoe


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