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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Adolin]
    #21855140 - 06/25/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Mediterranean food is bomb.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: ChinChiller]
    #21855187 - 06/25/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

But what about the people like "Hassan I Sabbah"?  I'd say without his "Hashassins" Many MANY more people would've died in Afghanistan back in his time.  I'd say the death of a few Generals far outweighed the deaths of entire armies.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: k00laid]
    #21855293 - 06/25/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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k00laid said:
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Amanita86 said:
Yeah.




then why did you concede when i informed you that he lived poor and died poor?



I didnt concede to shit homeboy..many a poor people pull off amazing things.  I can give examples.  My point is that hes a generic twist on what's true.. so that love factor, you can toss that shit out the window..  muhammad is a fraud, and his followers are loose cannon mental patients....

Most were probably forced..

Its the ones who now find something magical, and become fanatics.. thats your problrm...


All that aside, my original point is muhhamad is a spin off..aka a thief
twisting for agenda...  mohammed is love?  Get the fuck out of here with that trash..


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Amanita86]
    #21855301 - 06/25/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Aka a false prophet...


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: k00laid]
    #21855308 - 06/25/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Amanita86 said:
Quote:

k00laid said:
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Amanita86 said:
Yeah.




then why did you concede when i informed you that he lived poor and died poor?



I didnt concede to shit homeboy..many a poor people pull off amazing things.  I can give examples.  My point is that hes a generic twist on what's true.. so that love factor, you can toss that shit out the window..  muhammad is a fraud, and his followers are loose cannon mental patients....

Most were probably forced..

Its the ones who now find something magical, and become fanatics.. thats your problrm...


All that aside, my original point is muhhamad is a spin off..aka a thief
twisting for agenda...  mohammed is love?  Get the fuck out of here with that trash..





you still have yet to provide evidence of your original claim.

and you continue to avoid the fact that i am challenging your original claim. 

allow me to make this very simple for you.



Quote:

Amanita86 said:
and twisted it for his own man made benifit.



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k00laid said:
no he didnt





your turn.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: k00laid]
    #21855359 - 06/25/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Your first claim?


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Amanita86]
    #21855415 - 06/25/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Fuck all this Islamic douchbaggery, you hippies better be strapped up when their sleeper army awakens. :laugh:


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Robo]
    #21855433 - 06/25/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

dude was a pedo
couldnt' even handle the afterlife


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Bjorn_Stormcrow]
    #21855450 - 06/25/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Ulfrick said:
All hail the all father.  Odin is not love,  odin demands you harden the fuck up.

Hummus is amazing though, i could eat that shit all day.



You Asatru?


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: k00laid]
    #21855467 - 06/25/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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k00laid said:
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Amanita86 said:
Muhammad is a fool who took the real gospel and twisted it for his own man made benifit..





lol woa there.  muhammad was a crazy homeless guy who lived in a cave.  he lived poor, and he died poor.




No, not exactly. Although of lowly descent, he married the daughter of a wealthy merchant. He was expected to run the family business, but proved less apt at it than is wife, who ran the business until she died (she was much older than Muhammad). He inherited the business but supposedly he let it go down the drain and he used what money it generated to fund his campaigns after he was driven away from Mecca. It's unclear if he died poor or not, but he had a large number of followers around him who provided anything he needed. During his last years, he lived with his favorite wife (I think it was Khadija) who is the source of the pedophile story, as he married her when she was 9 (she was his 5th wife or so). He never really lived in a cave, save for the few periods in time in his early years of marriage to his first wife, when he went out into the desert to receive his visions (much like Jesus' 40-day stay in the desert). Allegedly, these visions were brought on by the form of epilepsy he suffered from (as speculated by many researchers in more modern times).

Btw, pris and zappa made two very valid points: yes, by modern standards Mohammad was a pedophile, but back in the day, much like with the ancient Greeks, pedophilia wasn't considered abnormal (quite the contrary in fact). And zappa's right that the Mohammad of the early period was very benign and if you read about his early life, he comes as a very pleasant, charismatic and loving character - albeit slightly mental. He turned violent and hateful after being driven out of Mekka and becoming involved in the tribal wars that are inherent to the area. This involvement was the result of Mohammad by then having gained sufficient followers to constitute a political movement that could no longer be ignored by the local warlords and that they perceived as a threat to their own kingdoms.


Edited by koraks (06/25/15 02:25 PM)


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: koraks]
    #21855477 - 06/25/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Nice job, koraks.  :thumbup:


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21855483 - 06/25/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Same to you sir; see edit.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: koraks]
    #21855515 - 06/25/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I find it disheartening that many people here who talk about Muhammed actually know nothing about him and it has always been sad to me when utterly ignorant people opine in public.  Except that I get to beat them like rented mules, which is fun fun fun.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Adolin]
    #21855523 - 06/25/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Gresh said:
i was forced to try hummus by a 94 year old.

it was gross. tasted like a mix of salt, sharp chedder, butter, with a little dirt mixed in for a gritty texture

pita bread isnt bad, but i'm not big on lamb



hummus is good as fuck dawg


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: koraks]
    #21855530 - 06/25/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've heard a pretty interesting story about how he was influenced heavily by one specific Christian monk who was tied in with the Eastern Roman Empire or Constantine or whoever it was.  I don't remember all the details, and it seemed likely it was revisionist history I'll admit, but basically it made the case that Islam was manufactured in order to gain control of the various tribes that were in the area of modern day Saudi Peninsula. 

I can appreciate the things you're saying koraks, but it is nearly impossible to get unbiased information on Mohammed.  There is just too much pollution from religion in the historical record on both sides to ever get an accurate picture of him IMO.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21855711 - 06/25/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's true. But there's a late 19th century British biography that seems to come as close as you can realistically get. Based on many stories of Arabians the author spoke when he resided in the region. Reliable? Probably not entirely. But definitely credible.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Patlal]
    #21855714 - 06/25/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Meh, fuck Mohammed, Jesus and all their friends. Religion is for idiots.





Maybe so, but upon my observations, religious people seem to be happier and more at peace than the non-religious people.




Nah, that's not true.

Most modern countries are on the happy side and many of their citizens renounced religion. I have never worshiped and will never kiss my floor 5 times a day in the name of allah or whatever name you want to give the guy upstairs. I'm perfectly happy. 

Faith, spirituality and morality can all be gained by yourself. What I hate is that religion appropriated these things and claim that without them it is impossible to achieve. Well that's crap. I have faith in myself, I'm not spiritual simly because it doesn't fit my personailty and I'm a very moral guy (In real life).





i agree with you, but i also disagree.

see, woth religious people, they are happy, but only because they are ignorant.

REAL enlightenment, is being truly in the name intelligence and truth. Its hard to do because of the world we live in, but when accomplished, its awesome...as you probably know.


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All-pervading, unfailing,
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It's just a shot away..


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: k00laid]
    #21855763 - 06/25/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Mohammed was not poor.  And he didn't live in a cave.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: lowbrow]
    #21855852 - 06/25/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Mohammed was not poor.  And he didn't live in a cave.




True.

He didn't exist.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Patlal]
    #21855931 - 06/25/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think there is alot more evidence for the existence of Mohammed compared to Jesus, or at least the Jesus of the Bible.  I do agree there's some evidence to go on.  He probably wasn't even a bad guy most of the time, but to me there are some glaring issues that indicate he doesn't make a very good role model or example for morality.

It's true that morality changes from culture to culture, but by that same token I believe an idolized figure like Mohammed would probably highly disapprove of many of the modern cultures that use his works to justify their beliefs, including or even especially the more moderate Islamic cultures.


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