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D.M.T
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TheGreenArrow said: Because at that point they usually have enough control over their given lands that they no longer feel the need to be violent. I mean look at the changes in Catholisism in the past 10 years or so. I'd say they're really going for a more conservitive feel with this new Pope.
I've always been one to respect other's beliefs until it get into that violent space. After all it doesn't really matter what the symbol you're worshipping is; just the fact that you're putting some sort of faith in a belief system that gives it any power.
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TheGreenArrow said: Because at that point they usually have enough control over their given lands that they no longer feel the need to be violent. I mean look at the changes in Catholisism in the past 10 years or so. I'd say they're really going for a more conservitive feel with this new Pope.
I've always been one to respect other's beliefs until it get into that violent space. After all it doesn't really matter what the symbol you're worshipping is; just the fact that you're putting some sort of faith in a belief system that gives it any power.
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TheGreenArrow said: Because at that point they usually have enough control over their given lands that they no longer feel the need to be violent. I mean look at the changes in Catholisism in the past 10 years or so. I'd say they're really going for a more conservitive feel with this new Pope.
I've always been one to respect other's beliefs until it get into that violent space. After all it doesn't really matter what the symbol you're worshipping is; just the fact that you're putting some sort of faith in a belief system that gives it any power.
Buddhists and Muslims of Bangladesh and Myanmar are still in a violent conflict to this day.
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zappaisgod
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Bill_Oreilly said:
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zappaisgod said: When there's grass on the field it's time to play, huh?
that's funny because your wife said the same thing to me last night
You have pubes? I had you pegged at about 9 years old.
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Bill_Oreilly
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I cut some hair off my head and taped it to my crotch. So yes, I do have pubes.
But what I was actually saying was your wife has the grass on the field.
oh well, it works either way because of the hair taped to my balls
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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TheGreenArrow
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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: D.M.T]
#21854562 - 06/25/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's super sad, and there are many different sects of Buddhism. I was simply trying to pick out a more peaceful denomination of the religion (Tibetan Buddhism) because in recent times it's become one of the more peaceful religions in the world. Granted though that's after the fact they slaughtered an entire culture to do it. 
It's super sad that people feel the need to do this shit. But at the same time part of me wants to believe that someday people can look past their differences in this shit and adopt a "maybe" mentality rather than the Aristotlean "Yes/No" logic that seems so prevalent when it comes to these subjects.
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TheGreenArrow
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You've got a homemade Merkin? Thats ingenuity right there! How you been Bill?
-------------------- A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein Saint RedBow of the Shroomey Loomey-Patron Saint of Sandbaggin Sumbitchs
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Beanhead
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moonrockmushy said:
Even if that sweeping generalization based on your interpretation of what I assume must be historical sources you have encountered in your research were true, that doesn't mean that it is ok.
Lots of pedephiles say they genuinely love children, but it is completely arrogant and selfish to put your own needs above those of a child. It's not even like this is in the past Pris, it is still a problem today. I totally agree it is part of our shared history as well as a modern reality unfortunately. I really hope you're just being belligerent because you hold a grudge against me. Are you going to say I am a bigot because I hate pedophiles now?
hating groups is bigotry, it's a fact. there is nothing wrong with being a bigot
this isnt some assumption of mine, it's a well documented fact, when a girl reached puberty she was considered to be of the age for marriage, you can still see this in a lot of cultures today but a few hundred years ago the norm was for a girl to be married off when she started menstruating and that was pretty much world wide, now the only reason you say it's wrong is because that is what you're conditioned to do or it's simply not appealing to you, it's no different than homosexuality. 2000 years ago only the religious nuts saw it as a sin, it was common place in europe, the americas, it still is in asia but because the abrahamic religions have deemed it a sin and the majority of the world's population falls under this classification it is a taboo now in the west because it's what people have been conditioned to believe
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Beanhead said: Pedophile means friend of children. No, I do not condone sexual acts with children.
but you arent condemning them, therefore...
There's a huge difference between thinking about and acting upon. I know what it's like to have reoccuring feelings your whole life that never go away.
It'd be more "in taste" if they say drew children with clothes on as an outlet for this paraphilia. That'd be understandable, I have an innate urge to have children too, they may piss me off at times but deep down I love children, or atleast having them. I just don't see the point in acting upon sexual urges.
What if they really, really do love children and instead of them becoming loving and caring people (potential for caretakers, teachers, sitters, etc) They misunderstand themselves and became bitter and angry and act upon it nontheless because society shuns this as awhole?
This cracked article made me rethink stuff
There's no right or wrong :shrugs:
Edited by Beanhead (06/25/15 10:57 AM)
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moonrockmushy
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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Beanhead]
#21854664 - 06/25/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thinking about something is part of the progression towards actually doing something. I'm not going to get in the realm of fantasies because I am a big proponent that fantasy and reality can be kept separate in healthy individuals. That is a different thing from having sexual urges involving minors. That is not normal or acceptable.
The reason for this is simple. Children are more vulnerable than adults, more impressionable, and have more at stake. Every person has inherent rights and deserves basic respect, even children. Until people have been deemed old enough to fully understand all the implications of sex they are off limits. Don't even think about it. It is not ok as long as you get away with it, it is a gross violation of the social contract and makes you a horrible person without exception.
If someone wants to invent a 15 year old fantasy waifu because they find the idea of underage girls titillating, fine, but that is pretty pathetic and I think those people should probably seek counseling. I understand that there are some circumstances where this might seem unfair (ie an 18 year old being charged for having sex with a 17 year old) but to disagree with the basic premise of pedophilia being wrong shows exceptionally poor character in my opinion, and is very concerning to me.
I'm not trying to level any accusations here, but of course sexually exploiting children is wrong, even though it happens. I think people should be very careful what they say regarding that and not try and split hairs here.
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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Beanhead]
#21854676 - 06/25/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Unfortunately; children are flat-out too young to protect themselves or even make decisions on any of this. It's abhorant to think that it's remotely "okay" for an adult to "Love" a child in a physical manner or otherwise because of the fact that they're too young to even know whatever it is they're getting into. They can't make rational decisions when it comes to this.
Adults that subject children to this stuff are straight up vermin IMHO. It's just taking advantage of weak people. That shit is flat-out wrong.
-------------------- A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein Saint RedBow of the Shroomey Loomey-Patron Saint of Sandbaggin Sumbitchs
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Beanhead
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moonrockmushy said: Thinking about something is part of the progression towards actually doing something. I'm not going to get in the realm of fantasies because I am a big proponent that fantasy and reality can be kept separate in healthy individuals. That is a different thing from having sexual urges involving minors. That is not normal or acceptable.
The reason for this is simple. Children are more vulnerable than adults, more impressionable, and have more at stake. Every person has inherent rights and deserves basic respect, even children. Until people have been deemed old enough to fully understand all the implications of sex they are off limits. Don't even think about it. It is not ok as long as you get away with it, it is a gross violation of the social contract and makes you a horrible person without exception.
If someone wants to invent a 15 year old fantasy waifu because they find the idea of underage girls titillating, fine, but that is pretty pathetic and I think those people should probably seek counseling. I understand that there are some circumstances where this might seem unfair (ie an 18 year old being charged for having sex with a 17 year old) but to disagree with the basic premise of pedophilia being wrong shows exceptionally poor character in my opinion, and is very concerning to me.
I'm not trying to level any accusations here, but of course sexually exploiting children is wrong, even though it happens. I think people should be very careful what they say regarding that and not try and split hairs here.
As I said, I don't condone sexual acts with children.
I'm not talking about phsyical love.
Oh and i'm not a pedophile before you guys start raging even harder 
Edited by Beanhead (06/25/15 11:27 AM)
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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Beanhead]
#21854723 - 06/25/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm really trying to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. It is a red flag to me though when someone seems ignorant to why it is actually wrong, but I admit I am only basing that on a few words here when I know everyone here to be pretty good people in general.
It's like skepticism taken too far. I am all for questioning things, but it is so inherently clear to me how manipulating children into sexual acts hurts them. If my ancestors did that, shame on them.
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Bill_Oreilly
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TheGreenArrow said: You've got a homemade Merkin? Thats ingenuity right there! How you been Bill?
ive been good actually. 7 days now clean off the H..getting along with the wife..my 2 year old son is just perfect. life is going pretty damn well for me now. I hope it keeps going like this..but as we all know sooner or later something devastating happens like losing a loved one..getting sick..money issues..etc..but as of now, those things have passed me by.
how about yourself?
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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zappaisgod
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Your son is 2 years old and you have been clean for 7 days?
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sorry for the thread jack but heres the little bugger

and zappa, I have been clean for 7 days in a row but have only used a few times in the past few months.
I know its not perfect, but im progressing.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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TheGreenArrow
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Been a rocky road this past month, but I've been off Alcohol a month so far because I've found I've lost the ability to drink socially. I'm a total binge drinker and it seems to fuck me over every time. So I cut that shit outta my life.
Its given me a bit of clarity.
Keep up the good work in staying clean Bill. I hope you find whatever it is to get that monkey off your back. I know all to well how that shit can effect people. Had to cut out one of my absolute best friends and lovers due to opiate use. I pray that shit never happens to you brotha.
-------------------- A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein Saint RedBow of the Shroomey Loomey-Patron Saint of Sandbaggin Sumbitchs
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zappaisgod
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Bill_Oreilly said: sorry for the thread jack but heres the little bugger

and zappa, I have been clean for 7 days in a row but have only used a few times in the past few months.
I know its not perfect, but im progressing.
I think I'd like to meet his mom because she seems like she is fun as hell. Keep it up man. When he moves out and is on his own you can go back to being a moron but for the next 16 or so years you owe him
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Bill_Oreilly said: sorry for the thread jack but heres the little bugger

and zappa, I have been clean for 7 days in a row but have only used a few times in the past few months.
I know its not perfect, but im progressing.
Your wife,
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I know I always say this but you really should get on maintenance and start taking your life seriously. It helped me alot at least. Just give up on the dope once and for all and commit to ending the cycle. You should know better by now, and making it a week is easy but developing coping mechanisms that will work in the long term is a constant battle, and you'll need all the help you can get.
Good luck, it's awesome to know that you're trying, because that really is the most important thing no matter what anyone says. Don't let self-doubt creep in because you are tough shit stay strong man.
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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Webster10]
#21854858 - 06/25/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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that's actually my ex, my wifes good friend. Shes an awesome girlm but we mutually broke it off because we both just had so much going on in our lives to the point a relationship just wouldn't work. We loved eachother and even had plans to get married awhile back, but I don't know, she just wasn't that girl you could be around and feel TOTALLY free. I needed a girl that accepted me for me and I wouldn't have to worry about her caring if I let myself go a little bit. I guess her standards were just too high for me and it made me feel uncomfortable at times. Shes also made it clear to me that she would have liked me to be a little more out-going..but hey that's just not me im a lazy son of a gun
my wife:
the one on the left..i know, when it comes to looks I have downgraded but shes way more "chill"..the love of my life

and moonrock, I am on methadone maintenance and it has saved my life. I would be out everyday hustling and junked out to the max if it wasn't for methadone. without methadone, id have no chance. I had 8 months when I first started the clinic..im eager to get back on the wagon and do it the right way again. even in this 7 days..i feel great. I no longer am sick and the worst is behind me. I just hope I can keep it going. You know what...I WILL keep it going. I am not going to lose my family/life for a drug
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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