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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21854218 - 06/25/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Islam is an immature religion much like Christianity was during the time of the Inquisition.  Why it takes these morons more than a thousand years to simmer down is beyond me.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21854234 - 06/25/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Because at that point they usually have enough control over their given lands that they no longer feel the need to be violent.  I mean look at the changes in Catholisism in the past 10 years or so.  I'd say they're really going for a more conservitive feel with this new Pope.

I've always been one to respect other's beliefs until it get into that violent space.  After all it doesn't really matter what the symbol you're worshipping is; just the fact that you're putting some sort of faith in a belief system that gives it any power.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21854236 - 06/25/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I second the hummus love. And tabouleh. Tabouleh is good too.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21854240 - 06/25/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: trekie]
    #21854242 - 06/25/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21854259 - 06/25/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

sadly and somewhat ironically its only the offshoots of the abrahamic religions that seem prone to ultra-violence.
I think it stems from the roots in judaism that say ONLY those who follow that religion are worthy of saved, chosen people and all that, and ONLY their god is the "real one". but judaism is also a racial religion, in that you can't really "convert" to judaism, you need to be born or married into it (at least in all but the most liberal branches of it)
once it made the jump from being a purely racial religion to a multi-racial one is where the problems seemed to start, with christianity and islam they both carried over that "one true god" ideology, but attached to it a NEED to convert EVERYONE ELSE, and they don't seem to be too picky on if that conversion comes at the end of a sword or not.
Because any other religion, and any other gods completely fly in the face of their "one true god" belief.

Contrast that with pretty much every other religion that either doesn't give a damn what other people are doing, or is completely okay with the existence of other gods. in my religion for example, there is plenty of room for other deities not part of my particular pantheon, I'm even okay with people worshiping the christ god. If your gods work for you thats cool, keep on rocking your gods, mine work best for me.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: trekie]
    #21854261 - 06/25/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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TheGreenArrow said:
That's the thing though.  It seems once a religion has really established itself for a long time they really seem to die down on all the fundamentalist violent bullcrap (save for a few such as certain sects of islam). 

Hell even now peaceful Tibetan Buddhists slaughtered the native Bon people and incorperated their religions into the fold before they really held power in Tibet for a while.




It seems like this if you refuse to look at the big picture.  I'd say the opposite is true in the larger historical context.  The longer a religion is around, and the more ingrained it becomes in out collective consciousness, the more dangerous it becomes. 

I don't think people even realize that the basic presumption that Christianity was started by some guy named Jesus, who is descended from the Jews who supposedly had all these novel religious experiences as a people, that suspiciously mirror the accounts of peoples that predated them (with minor tweaks), can be easily shown to be questionable. 

There are no "real Christians" or "real Muslims" and statements like that are often the fundamental justification for religious persecution of people who are not "real" whatevers.  It's all bullshit, and if you care about truth which most such religious people claim to, it is all dangerous.

To me having a population that favors a lie over the truth is the most dangerous thing I can imagine.  To steal a line from the Christians, who I do not hate just disagree with on a fundamental level, "you've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything".  Just being for something because it is of "your people" and because it makes you feel good is dangerous.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Bjorn_Stormcrow]
    #21854265 - 06/25/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:sambergfive:  This guy gets it!  Its the intent, not the symbol that gives those motivations power.


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sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an
equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21854278 - 06/25/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

While I'll agree that's somewhat true in some cases.  You have to recognize that not all sects of all religions are that fundamentalist.  Where the really interesting things come out is when people look past their own beliefs and recognize that it's all just different ways to explain the same experience that most religious activity shines IMHO.

They're all just trying to explain how they themselves got to experience what they consider "God" or "Buddha" or "Universe".  I think thats a great thing.  It's when the "This is the only TRUE way to God" idea comes about that people start trying to take advantage of the system for their own personal political games that shit can really get out of hand.


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equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21854380 - 06/25/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
I think he was a pedofile, but the only evidence I have for that really is the Quran, so who knows.  It's not like I trust the Quran, but he probably was a pedofile.






1600 years ago everyone was a pedophile, it wasnt until the last hundred years
that things such as age of consent laws were being enacted and enforced, it wasnt
uncommon for a 10 year old to be married off in england just 300 years ago, you
come from a culture of pedophilia just like the rest of the people on the planet


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21854407 - 06/25/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:thataintright: Even if that sweeping generalization based on your interpretation of what I assume must be historical sources you have encountered in your research were true, that doesn't mean that it is ok. 

Lots of pedephiles say they genuinely love children, but it is completely arrogant and selfish to put your own needs above those of a child.  It's not even like this is in the past Pris, it is still a problem today.  I totally agree it is part of our shared history as well as a modern reality unfortunately.  I really hope you're just being belligerent because you hold a grudge against me.  Are you going to say I am a bigot because I hate pedophiles now?


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21854410 - 06/25/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Pedophile means friend of children.
No, I do not condone sexual acts with children.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Beanhead]
    #21854459 - 06/25/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
:thataintright: Even if that sweeping generalization based on your interpretation of what I assume must be historical sources you have encountered in your research were true, that doesn't mean that it is ok. 

Lots of pedephiles say they genuinely love children, but it is completely arrogant and selfish to put your own needs above those of a child.  It's not even like this is in the past Pris, it is still a problem today.  I totally agree it is part of our shared history as well as a modern reality unfortunately.  I really hope you're just being belligerent because you hold a grudge against me.  Are you going to say I am a bigot because I hate pedophiles now?





hating groups is bigotry, it's a fact. there is nothing wrong with being a bigot


this isnt some assumption of mine, it's a well documented fact, when a girl
reached puberty she was considered to be of the age for marriage, you can still
see this in a lot of cultures today but a few hundred years ago the norm was
for a girl to be married off when she started menstruating and that was pretty
much world wide, now the only reason you say it's wrong is because that is what
you're conditioned to do or it's simply not appealing to you, it's no different
than homosexuality. 2000 years ago only the religious nuts saw it as a sin, it
was common place in europe, the americas, it still is in asia but because the
abrahamic religions have deemed it a sin and the majority of the world's
population falls under this classification it is a taboo now in the west
because it's what people have been conditioned to believe

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Pedophile means friend of children.
No, I do not condone sexual acts with children.




but you arent condemning them, therefore...


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Bjorn_Stormcrow]
    #21854468 - 06/25/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Ulfrick said:
sadly and somewhat ironically its only the offshoots of the abrahamic religions that seem prone to ultra-violence.





all religions are the same in that regard, even those peace loving buddhist are ultra violent

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/2/myanmars-buddhist-terrorism-problem.html


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Patlal]
    #21854480 - 06/25/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Meh, fuck Mohammed, Jesus and all their friends. Religion is for idiots.





Maybe so, but upon my observations, religious people seem to be happier and more at peace than the non-religious people.


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21854481 - 06/25/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

When there's grass on the field it's time to play, huh?  I would like to point out that back in the day people also started their working life about the same time.  There was no luxury of endless college and living in mom's basement.  Times were different and values change.

There are two Muhammeds.  When he was in Mecca and when he was in Medina.  The Mecca Muhammed was reasonably benign but the Medina Muhammed was a fucking violent nutcase.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21854487 - 06/25/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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When there's grass on the field it's time to play, huh? 





that's funny because your wife said the same thing to me last night


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21854495 - 06/25/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Ulfrick said:
sadly and somewhat ironically its only the offshoots of the abrahamic religions that seem prone to ultra-violence.





all religions are the same in that regard, even those peace loving buddhist are ultra violent

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/2/myanmars-buddhist-terrorism-problem.html





how are all religions the same?


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21854503 - 06/25/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.  It really seems to me like you're trying to justify pedophilia, but since you're so pedantic lately I honestly don't know.

I understand the definition of bigotry, that is not an issue.  I freely admit I am 100% a bigot when it comes to pedophiles.  You got me I guess.


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Re: Muhammed is Love [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21854516 - 06/25/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I mean at a certain point lines in the sand HAVE to be drawn down they?  Its not like a child could protect themselves in situations like that and to say otherwise is just belligerant.


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