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maddchef
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Bacteria paves the way for mold
#21852267 - 06/24/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've posted something along these lines before but I can't seem to find it.
What are the effects and outcomes of spawning bacterial spawn? If I had bacterial spawn that wasn't too bad and spawned it, would the tub fall to mold?
The tub in question never really showed bacteria full blown but it was there. The question is will bacteria weaken mycelium enough to allow a competitor mold to germinate and take a foothold?
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Re: Bacteria paves the way for mold [Re: maddchef]
#21852376 - 06/24/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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yes no maybe so sometimes kind of not always sure it happens why not.
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Re: Bacteria paves the way for mold [Re: maddchef]
#21852384 - 06/24/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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maddchef said: If I had bacterial spawn that wasn't too bad and spawned it, would the tub fall to mold?
Not always. But certainly the odds are not in your favor.
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Re: Bacteria paves the way for mold [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21852451 - 06/24/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lol apparently the board is run by a magic fucking 8ball tonight
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Re: Bacteria paves the way for mold [Re: maddchef]
#21852460 - 06/24/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would say that in regards to bacterial spawn falling to mold lots, is dependent on the culture at that point.
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Re: Bacteria paves the way for mold [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21852798 - 06/24/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Depends on how bad the bacterial infection in your spawn jars was. Depends on how vigorous the culture is.
I suggest incubating/colonizing your substrate at lower temps and also making your substrate on the drier side if using bacterial spawn. Those two tips can help sway the odds to your favor.
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insanemike

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Pastywhyte said: I would say that in regards to bacterial spawn falling to mold lots, is dependent on the culture at that point.
if you have a culture that has a fast metabolism and pins rather quickly, it could swing the odds some in your favor but I wouldn't expect anything beyond the first flush.
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TheEaglesGift said: Depends on how bad the bacterial infection in your spawn jars was. Depends on how vigorous the culture is.
I suggest incubating/colonizing your substrate at lower temps and also making your substrate on the drier side if using bacterial spawn. Those two tips can help sway the odds to your favor.
lower temps will definitely help along with making sure it is getting adequate FAE but that probably should go without saying.
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Re: Bacteria paves the way for mold [Re: insanemike]
#21853401 - 06/25/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've gotten multiple flushes from subs spawned with bacterial grains. Just boils down to how bad the bacteria was in the first place, and how well the sub colonizes.
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Re: Bacteria paves the way for mold [Re: maddchef]
#21853403 - 06/25/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I had some bacterially contaminated spawn I used.
The stuff with only minor amounts of contamination had no issues, and never contaminated. My best yielding venture yet (>2o/qt) had a small stripe of bacterial contam which I scooped out of the spawn before removing it from the jar.
The stuff more around 25% contaminated was definitely susceptible to mold, which seemed to grow in patches where much of the bacterial crap ended up. If I had known better at the time, I wouldn't have even bothered.
Basically it seems to be a critical mass effect, where enough bacterial spawn stops colonization of the substrate, paving the way for mold.
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Your chances of mold increase as the presence if their spores does. Either way, bacteria is its own pain in the ass! Its not as quickly or easily recognized as mold but generally is equally detrimental. "Bacteria" is a very broad idea here.... The good thing about it is that it generally only runs by direct contact
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insanemike

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TheEaglesGift said: I've gotten multiple flushes from subs spawned with bacterial grains. Just boils down to how bad the bacteria was in the first place, and how well the sub colonizes.
Just to make it clear, I did not say it won't go beyond the first flush. I said don't expect anything beyond the first flush. By all means take it as far as it will go, of course.
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Re: Bacteria paves the way for mold [Re: insanemike]
#21853670 - 06/25/15 03:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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insanemike said:
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TheEaglesGift said: I've gotten multiple flushes from subs spawned with bacterial grains. Just boils down to how bad the bacteria was in the first place, and how well the sub colonizes.
Just to make it clear, I did not say it won't go beyond the first flush. I said don't expect anything beyond the first flush. By all means take it as far as it will go, of course.
All good brother.
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every tub I have ever done with questionable spawn has fallen to mold eventually.
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maddchef
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Re: Bacteria paves the way for mold [Re: Sksoul]
#21854062 - 06/25/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well the object in question would fall right before first flush or at the tail end.
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Re: Bacteria paves the way for mold [Re: maddchef]
#21854309 - 06/25/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Spawn it and find out! That's what I decided to do with 1 set of jars that looked bacterial on the bottom 5% of grain. Of course the bacteria will pave the way for trich but IME you can still get a flush of fruits first. I wasn't going to bother with these jars at all but I had an old dirty tub in the garage that I wiped out and some extra coir in a bucket. Threw it all together and hosed it a bit. Not expecting much, but I'm literally using extra garbage at this point so if anything grows it's a plus. Trash to Treasure y'know. 
But definitely get started on other cultures; don't rely on this tub for anything.
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