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hobowizard
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Lemon tek with fly agaric
#21850577 - 06/24/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is there any information about amanita muscaria working w/ lemon tek?
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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: hobowizard]
#21850601 - 06/24/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's not going to hinder the experience, but
I guess i just have to ask WHY? I am all for personal responsibility and a diverse array of life experiences. Why are you looking to potentiate something that A. not many really enjoy B. is essentially a delirium anyway C. can have serious side effects physically?
Not saying you will die or even get sick, I just really don't think it's going to go the way you want it to.
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Edited by SteveRogers (06/24/15 02:29 PM)
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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: SteveRogers]
#21850727 - 06/24/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Man I've heard horror stories about those things! Holy shit.... Cap! Can you sign my trading cards? They're vintage.
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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: caveman421]
#21850748 - 06/24/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sure son. Anything for a fan.
Play safe kids. Amanitas are thin ice.
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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: SteveRogers] 2
#21850924 - 06/24/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Some people have really profound and enjoyable experiences on amanitas 
I highly doubt lemon tek will work on amanitas though.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think lemon tek works by breaking down psilocybin into psilocin, bypassing your bodies metabolic process and making the mushrooms hit stronger and faster.
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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: Whitewater]
#21851314 - 06/24/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i took amanita muscaria once and just sweated alot and felt kind of shitty. but if thats your thing, by all means enjoy.
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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: SteveRogers]
#21852071 - 06/24/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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SteveRogers said: It's not going to hinder the experience, but
I guess i just have to ask WHY? I am all for personal responsibility and a diverse array of life experiences. Why are you looking to potentiate something that A. not many really enjoy B. is essentially a delirium anyway C. can have serious side effects physically?
Not saying you will die or even get sick, I just really don't think it's going to go the way you want it to.
I also have to ask why but for completely different reasons. I personally just don't see a point to lemon tekking aminitas, they aren't the sort of drug where it matters a lot to have it hit you all at once. I guess maybe if you want a shorter more intense experience but I have no idea whether it would work or not. I guess grinding them up couldnt hurt.
But I must say, aminitas are incredible mushrooms. They are much more valuable than psilocybin mushrooms in a spiritual sense.
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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: Deviate]
#21852092 - 06/24/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you want them to hit you faster and stronger, take a couple hits of Marijuana. Although I would not reccomend it. But I would garuntee that it will make it kick in faster and stronger, equivelent to what lemon tek does for psilocybin
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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: Deviate]
#21852099 - 06/24/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Deviate, I am glad you posted that. "They are much more valuable than psilocybin mushrooms in a spiritual sense. "
Can I ask why you feel that way? I am not trying to be confrontational. I, like many others had difficult physical symptoms on Ibogenic acid/muscimol. I also got very very little psychological profoundness after multiple attempts. I too felt that it was not given it's fair shake and had a very intriguing place in human history.
In what ways did the positive effects of Amanitas outweigh the positives of Cubensis varieties? In your experience.
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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: SteveRogers]
#21852123 - 06/24/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I also have never had a great experience with amanitas. But some of my close friends and family swear by them. My sister has extensive experience with psilocybes and amanitas and she finds the amanita a much more profound and spiritual experience.
Just because I never got there with amanitas doesn't mean some people cant.
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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: SteveRogers] 1
#21852297 - 06/24/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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SteveRogers said: Deviate, I am glad you posted that. "They are much more valuable than psilocybin mushrooms in a spiritual sense. "
Can I ask why you feel that way? I am not trying to be confrontational. I, like many others had difficult physical symptoms on Ibogenic acid/muscimol. I also got very very little psychological profoundness after multiple attempts. I too felt that it was not given it's fair shake and had a very intriguing place in human history.
In what ways did the positive effects of Amanitas outweigh the positives of Cubensis varieties? In your experience.
Well, first of all I want to say one of the reasons I consider them more valuable than psilocybin is because there are other drugs which I feel can give you most of the same lessons you might learn from psilocybin, like DMT, to a lessor extent mescaline and pretty much all other psychedelics.
Aminitas on the other hand are completely unique as a teacher. I have not come across anything else even remotely like them.
Now in terms of describing what you can learn from aminitas, I actually find that difficult to do without using obscure spiritual terminology.
I don't know if this will make sense to you or not but this is my attempt:
First to quote another shroomery member "psilos represent the beginning of the spiritual path, aminitas the end. They are Alpha and Omega."
In my own words I would say psilos take you out into the void, Aminitas bring the void into you. Psilos allow you to look outward at all that is manifest, aminitas allow you to look inward toward that which is unmanifest.
Aminitas vibrate at the highest frequency of all entheogens. What you gain from psilocybin is mostly sacred knowledge and soul healing. Aminitas allow you to work at the level of spirit.
Once mastered, aminitas are a greater force. In my experience, they contain the sacred fire of God which dissolves all that separates one from the divine. They have given me incredible abilities, like being able to see into the future and communicate with the spirit world. You can communicate with the spirit world on psilos too but they are harder to control.
Psilos are much more showy and in your face. Aminitas take time to get to know and you must be willing. Aminitas also open your chakras and dont stress the nervous system as much as psilos.
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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: Deviate]
#21852349 - 06/24/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I appreciate that perspective Deviate. As I said the numerous experiences I had were very difficult physically with very little psychological reward. Maybe I was not preparing them properly.
If I may ask you one more question because your response was articulate and I think you understand what I'm getting at.
How did strong doses of mescaline compare to Amanita experiences to you? I am already hijacking this guys thread with these queries, but starting a whole new one is a waste.
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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: SteveRogers] 1
#21852796 - 06/24/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Where did you get your Aminitas from? I have read that you must pick them in the wild for the best experience and the vendor ones suck. I have only had vendor ones so far, though I hope to find some this fall. But I can say that even from the vendor ones, I have noticed tremendous variability based on the source. Some of them just cause unpleasant side effects with very few positive effects at all.
As for comparing Aminitas to mescaline, they are completely different experiences and then of course my experiences with mescaline don't necessarily reflect other peoples experiences with mescaline, etc.
But to begin I would first like to say another benefit of Aminita I neglected to mention in my last post was that I think it really helped me balance, understand and integrate my other psychedelic experiences. I had had a lot of experiences with classical psychedelics before ever using aminitas and I feel like I came to associate the classical psychedelic experience with spirituality, so in my spiritual practice even outside of psychedelics, I tended to over value the aspects of my practice which lead to states that felt similar to what I experienced on psychedelics. I felt like as a result my energy and my sensory experience became very extended, very expansive, and very "geometric" for lack of a better term.
Aminitas helped me to see there was a whole other way to be spiritual. They represent the contracting force, whereas classical psychedelics represent the expanding force. Classical psychedelics expand your sense of time, aminitas compress it. Doing too many classical psychedelics and using them as my model for spirituality caused a great imbalance between these forces in my being and aminitas helped to correct that.
Now as far as mescaline, I find mescaline very interesting because unlike tryptamines (which I believe operate at the level of the soul), I believe that mescaline operates at the level of the mind and the heart because of this, it can share some of the heart opening effects of the aminita.
I would say mescaline is music, aminitas are silence. Mescaline shows you the eternal dance, aminitas show you eternal rest. Both aminitas and mescaline are unique in that they connect you with Christ/God the father, whereas most other entheogens connect you more with the divine mother. Both are at the top of my list of entheogens and I would find it very difficult to choose between them.
Edited by Deviate (06/24/15 09:57 PM)
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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: Deviate]
#21852805 - 06/24/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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indeed. Interesting response. Thanks
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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: Deviate]
#21852856 - 06/24/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Deviate, Thank you for sharing that. I (we) appreciate the insight. At some point I would like to experience the amanita. But, somehow, in my head I think that I'm not supposed to until I personally find it in the wild. Like it will call to me when I'm ready. I am fearful because of the stories I have heard but I think that it may just be that those users were just expecting a "good time" trip like lsd or shrooms. I'm assuming that fly agaric is far more personal.
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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: Ncogneato]
#21852917 - 06/24/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No need to fear, the great thing about Aminita is that it does not stress the nervous system and cause rapid tolerance/loss of magic like the classical psychedelics. So redosing aminita (or just taking more the next day) are both perfectly viable means of experimentation. Therefore you can start with as a low of a dose as you feel inclined to and simply eat more little by little after that until you get where you want to go. Thats not to say it cant be scary/have a bad trip but in general you will have more control over the speed at which you get know the aminita because you dont have to worry about waiting weeks in between trips or trying to guess the dosage.
I actually find aminita pretty recreational in lower doses, but not like shrooms or lsd which are pure sensory wonderland. I think the effects of aminita are just a little too strange for most people to appreciate.
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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: Deviate]
#21863570 - 06/27/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Deviate, I'd like to ask you what do you know about SOMA which (in some sources) contains fly agaric. How to prepare it etc.? ~following question: how do you take amanitas yourself, the best way in your opinion?
~following question number two: any preparation before taking it (no eating before taking it or something more particular)?
~following question number three: is there any way to minimize the nausea and other unwanted effects, because I've heard that the first hours after you've taken some fly agaric is a bitch... So you know, skipping the shitty part of the trip would be great.
P.S. Sorry for these FAQ's. I bet I could find the info myself, but I'm too lazy and you seem to have PhD on amanita muscaria.
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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: hobowizard]
#21863706 - 06/27/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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hobowizard said: Deviate, I'd like to ask you what do you know about SOMA which (in some sources) contains fly agaric. How to prepare it etc.? ~following question: how do you take amanitas yourself, the best way in your opinion?
~following question number two: any preparation before taking it (no eating before taking it or something more particular)?
~following question number three: is there any way to minimize the nausea and other unwanted effects, because I've heard that the first hours after you've taken some fly agaric is a bitch... So you know, skipping the shitty part of the trip would be great.
P.S. Sorry for these FAQ's. I bet I could find the info myself, but I'm too lazy and you seem to have PhD on amanita muscaria.
I know you didnt ask me but Ill give my experience. I ate them along side some crackers,and arizona tea, dry amanitas from Latvia. first ate 5g, didnt feel much of anything, so I ate another 3g. Didnt fast, but had a moderately empty stomach. No nasuea, no side effects. fealt really good, had a great body high, enhanced colors, light but bright euphoria. (from 8g) But I wanted to trip, about an hour and a half later after enjoying that small dose. So I ate another 12g, to equal 20. I was tripping now, time distortion, forgetting i had things in my hands, id grab a cup of juice then the next thing i knew, it wasnt there. It was on the table. Id have my phone in my hand, then id look at my hand and it wasnt there, it was on the couch beside me. Moderately tripping, no side effects, no nasuea.
But as time went by and my friend came and picked me up, to do the same, it became quite powerful and overwhelming. Side effects kicked in, slight nasuea. Hot swets, id open the door to get some air, then id be freezing. Hot cold hot cold. Not a very enjoyable experience. Then i took a couple puffs of marijuana and it became so fucking overwhelming me and my friend blacked out for a couople hours, woke up from a phone call, my sister. Time to go home.
5g-8g is euphoric, bright, very fun, made me more sociable.
im not sure between 8-20. Be careful though. When your tripping, time is very fragmented.
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So the reason that the lemon tek works is that the acidity of the lemon juice helps to break down the cell walls of the mushroom, which allows the actives to more freely permeate your blood stream and concentrate in your brain. If lemon juice is acidic enough to help break down the cell walls of your amanitas, it should have a similar effect.
The active gets into your brain faster, so you get a shorter come up, a more intense, but shorter peak, and a shorter overall experience.
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What's your experience with psychedelics? Sounds great though. (weed + amanitas is how I'll go.)
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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: hobowizard]
#21864586 - 06/27/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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hobowizard said: Deviate, I'd like to ask you what do you know about SOMA which (in some sources) contains fly agaric. How to prepare it etc.?Quote:
I know very little about soma, although I definitely believe it contained fly agaric. I read a fairly convincing theory that it may have been a combination of fly agaric, cannabis, opium and psilocybin mushrooms and one other plant which escapes my memory. Of interesting note, is I dont know if you have taken soma the muscle relaxer, carisperdol or however you spell it. I always thought, this is a relatively crappy drug why does it deserve the name soma? I thought that, until I tried fly agarics. There is actually an odd similarity in the body high of fly agaric and the effects of carisperdol, although of course carisperdol lacks all the trippy, entheogenic effects of fly agaric. None the less I thought that was quite interesting. It begs the question, did whoever name soma use fly agaric?
I have been experimenting with making my own "soma" using fly agaric, cannabis, kratom and kava. I haven't tried combining them with psilocybin yet, although I did take some once on the come down of a psilocybin trip and it was not a good experience.
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~following question: how do you take amanitas yourself, the best way in your opinion?
I just eat the dried caps. I find the best way is too eat them over a couple of hours, rather than taking a big dose all at once. I feel like this helps prevent nausea and also, if you are not having a good time, you can stop eating them.
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~following question number two: any preparation before taking it (no eating before taking it or something more particular)?
I always try to eat them on an empty stomach and then usually have a light meal after they kick in.
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~following question number three: is there any way to minimize the nausea and other unwanted effects, because I've heard that the first hours after you've taken some fly agaric is a bitch... So you know, skipping the shitty part of the trip would be great.
I would say first of all the most important thing is your source. I have eaten some aminitas that caused a lot of nausea/sick feeling even at low doses and then other ones which caused no nausea whatsoever. A lot of vendors sell very poor quality aminita, so it is recommended to hunt them yourself (which I have actually not done yet). In addition, like I said I find consuming them gradually over time can help eliminate the nausea and also I sometimes smoke some weed/hash with them which I find very synergistic.
The easiest method to prevent unwanted side effects is simply to take low doses. Low doses can be very enjoyable, easy to control and spiritual. High doses can be very intense and overwhelming or escastic. I really haven't experimented much with higher doses, because I maintain there are two ways to use aminita. One is intermittent high doses which will give very intense experience. The other is to eat low doses on a near daily bases. I use them spiritually, and I find taking frequent low doses works very well for my purposes. Low doses keep you connected with nature, and work to dissolve your ego structures in a very gradual, gentle way.
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P.S. Sorry for these FAQ's. I bet I could find the info myself, but I'm too lazy and you seem to have PhD on amanita muscaria.
I wouldn't say that, I actually just tried them for my first time 4 or 5 months ago but I have used them a lot since then. There are people out there with WAY more knowledge and experience than I have.
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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: Deviate]
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Chew them well on an empty stomach.
Avoid carbonation as this will turn the euphoric muscimol into sickening ibotenic acid.
Heat the mushrooms at 190 to convert (decarboxilate) ibotenic to muscimol.
Soaking the mushrooms in fresh whole milk at room temp for some hours is said to improve effect profile.
Set an alarm and take a 40 minute nap after dosing; awake in a new world...
Drinking your urine after this will take you farther than you could expect. Not for the novice, but this could be my #1 trip experience, mirroring the earler explanation by "deviate" (enjoining the great "I Am").
Booze goes well with this fruit, may help it absorb.
Siberian shamans extract the mushroom into something like reindeer milk rum.
The experience reminds me of the painting I headed this post with. 3 mushrooms picked from the forests of Northern California; urine recycled twice filtered out toxins... super clean, super strong.
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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: hobowizard]
#21864947 - 06/27/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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hobowizard said: What's your experience with psychedelics? Sounds great though. (weed + amanitas is how I'll go.)
Well, NOW my experience with psychedelics is: Psilocybin mushrooms 50+ Acid 2 Amanita 2
When I had amanitas it was my first psychedelic. I DO NOT reccomend smoking marijuana with more than 5g amanita.
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hobowizard said: What's your experience with psychedelics? Sounds great though. (weed + amanitas is how I'll go.)
Well, NOW my experience with psychedelics is: Psilocybin mushrooms 50+ Acid 2 Amanita 2
When I had amanitas it was my first psychedelic. I DO NOT reccomend smoking marijuana with more than 5g amanita.
Why not? I nearly always smoke marijuana with aminita, it takes me to a whole other level.
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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: flickedbic]
#21864973 - 06/27/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Chew them well on an empty stomach.
Avoid carbonation as this will turn the euphoric muscimol into sickening ibotenic acid.
Heat the mushrooms at 190 to convert (decarboxilate) ibotenic to muscimol.
Soaking the mushrooms in fresh whole milk at room temp for some hours is said to improve effect profile.
Set an alarm and take a 40 minute nap after dosing; awake in a new world...
Drinking your urine after this will take you farther than you could expect. Not for the novice, but this could be my #1 trip experience, mirroring the earler explanation by "deviate" (enjoining the great "I Am").
Booze goes well with this fruit, may help it absorb.
Siberian shamans extract the mushroom into something like reindeer milk rum.
The experience reminds me of the painting I headed this post with. 3 mushrooms picked from the forests of Northern California; urine recycled twice filtered out toxins... super clean, super strong.
Yes, exactly, this guy gets it. I havent tried the recycled urine thing. Gotta give that a try. The incredible thing about this mushroom is you can learn to enjoy the Great I AM even on low doses and you can take them as often as you need to.
That is what makes them so much more valuable than psilocybin in my opinion. Psilocybin is amazing but you cant just take it whenever, you have to space it out so much more.
But anyway this is why I have a theory about why so many people seem to dislike fly agaric. My theory is that these people either do not know God, or they do not understand the aspect of God they are being shown on fly agaric.
They want to see the pretty colors and sacred shapes of psilos and fail to realize that God is present in all experience.
Not to say that psilos aren't also a deeply sacred mushroom. But fly agarics are truly unique.
Edited by Deviate (06/27/15 04:38 PM)
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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: Deviate]
#21865018 - 06/27/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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hobowizard said: What's your experience with psychedelics? Sounds great though. (weed + amanitas is how I'll go.)
Well, NOW my experience with psychedelics is: Psilocybin mushrooms 50+ Acid 2 Amanita 2
When I had amanitas it was my first psychedelic. I DO NOT reccomend smoking marijuana with more than 5g amanita.
Why not? I nearly always smoke marijuana with aminita, it takes me to a whole other level.
IME, at 20g amanita in me, smoking weed took me to a whole new level. But it was quite overwhelming.
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Well, I would find 20 grams of aminita very overwhelming on its own regardless of marijauna. Usually marijuana helps to relax and transcend intense psychedelic experiences. I have used it to turn bad trips into good ones several times.
Its weird I know, because you would think if you were having an overly intense experience that taking another powerful psychedelic would just makes things worse. I thought that too and refrained from smoking during a way overly intense mescaline trip. When I finally gave in and smoked, everything changed and the trip became wonderful and fantastic.
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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: Deviate]
#21867219 - 06/28/15 04:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Main substance in SOMA is said to be Ephedra. (in many sources)
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Also, about the urine: shamans (mainly siberian) used to take really big doses of amanita muscaria which is said to be a bit toxic, not so good for your physical body, but piss of such shaman is sterile which makes it very good. there's left only the good[1] stuff.
[1] good - trippy.
BTW!!! I did collect many amanitas a year ago (was planning for consumption) but then I noticed... There were so many ugly white shitty worms... So... P.much 95% what I collected (was I guess around 50-100g fresh) was total shit which I had to throw away. My friend did use amanitas, said he had no effect and was also disgusted by the fucking worms. This was a huge turn off for him (the worms), for me also, I believe, since I've never actually have taken them. Though, I used them to kill flies. (in my language amanita muscaria means - paprastoji musmire, paprastoji means - simple. and musmirė means: mus - fly (its actually musė - fly, so just without an ė). mirė - died/death.
Edited by hobowizard (06/28/15 04:49 AM)
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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: Deviate]
#21867222 - 06/28/15 04:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Deviate said: Well, I would find 20 grams of aminita very overwhelming on its own regardless of marijauna. Usually marijuana helps to relax and transcend intense psychedelic experiences. I have used it to turn bad trips into good ones several times.
Its weird I know, because you would think if you were having an overly intense experience that taking another powerful psychedelic would just makes things worse. I thought that too and refrained from smoking during a way overly intense mescaline trip. When I finally gave in and smoked, everything changed and the trip became wonderful and fantastic.
Marijuana does the opposite for me now.
But it used to do the same as what you've just said.
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