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OfflineDeviate
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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: hobowizard]
    #21864586 - 06/27/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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hobowizard said:
Deviate, I'd like to ask you what do you know about SOMA which (in some sources) contains fly agaric. How to prepare it etc.?
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I know very little about soma, although I definitely believe it contained fly agaric. I read a fairly convincing theory that it may have been a combination of fly agaric, cannabis, opium and psilocybin mushrooms and one other plant which escapes my memory. Of interesting note, is I dont know if you have taken soma the muscle relaxer, carisperdol or however you spell it. I always thought, this is a relatively crappy drug why does it deserve the name soma? I thought that, until I tried fly agarics. There is actually an odd similarity in the body high of fly agaric and the effects of carisperdol, although of course carisperdol lacks all the trippy, entheogenic effects of fly agaric. None the less I thought that was quite interesting. It begs the question, did whoever name soma use fly agaric?

I have been experimenting with making my own "soma" using fly agaric, cannabis, kratom and kava. I haven't tried combining them with psilocybin yet, although I did take some once on the come down of a psilocybin trip and it was not a good experience.

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~following question: how do you take amanitas yourself, the best way in your opinion?




I just eat the dried caps. I find the best way is too eat them over a couple of hours, rather than taking a big dose all at once.  I feel like this helps prevent nausea and also, if you are not having a good time, you can stop eating them.

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~following question number two: any preparation before taking it (no eating before taking it or something more particular)?




I always try to eat them on an empty stomach and then usually have a light meal after they kick in.

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~following question number three: is there any way to minimize the nausea and other unwanted effects, because I've heard that the first hours after you've taken some fly agaric is a bitch... So you know, skipping the shitty part of the trip would be great.




I would say first of all the most important thing is your source. I have eaten some aminitas that caused a lot of nausea/sick feeling even at low doses and then other ones which caused no nausea whatsoever. A lot of vendors sell very poor quality aminita, so it is recommended to hunt them yourself (which I have actually not done yet). In addition, like I said I find consuming them gradually over time can help eliminate the nausea and also I sometimes smoke some weed/hash with them which I find very synergistic.

The easiest method to prevent unwanted side effects is simply to take low doses. Low doses can be very enjoyable, easy to control and spiritual. High doses can be very intense and overwhelming or escastic. I really haven't experimented much with higher doses, because I maintain there are two ways to use aminita. One is intermittent high doses which will give very intense experience. The other is to eat low doses on a near daily bases. I use them spiritually, and I find taking frequent low doses works very well for my purposes. Low doses keep you connected with nature, and work to dissolve your ego structures in a very gradual, gentle way.

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P.S. Sorry for these FAQ's. I bet I could find the info myself, but I'm too lazy and you seem to have PhD on amanita muscaria.




I wouldn't say that, I actually just tried them for my first time 4 or 5 months ago but I have used them a lot since then. There are people out there with WAY  more knowledge and experience than I have.


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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: Deviate]
    #21864819 - 06/27/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)



Chew them well on an empty stomach.

Avoid carbonation as this will turn the euphoric muscimol into sickening ibotenic acid.

Heat the mushrooms at 190 to convert (decarboxilate) ibotenic to muscimol.


Soaking the mushrooms in fresh whole milk at room temp for some hours is said to improve effect profile.

Set an alarm and take a 40 minute nap after dosing; awake in a new world...

Drinking your urine after this will take you farther than you could expect.  Not for the novice, but this could be my #1 trip experience, mirroring the earler explanation by "deviate" (enjoining the great "I Am").

Booze goes well with this fruit, may help it absorb.

Siberian shamans extract the mushroom into something like reindeer milk rum.

The experience reminds me of the painting I headed this post with.  3 mushrooms picked from the forests of Northern California; urine recycled twice filtered out toxins... super clean, super strong.


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Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order:
1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

Blessing.


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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: hobowizard]
    #21864947 - 06/27/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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hobowizard said:
What's your experience with psychedelics? Sounds great though. (weed + amanitas is how I'll go.)



Well, NOW my experience with psychedelics is:
Psilocybin mushrooms 50+
Acid 2
Amanita 2

When I had amanitas it was my first psychedelic.
I DO NOT reccomend smoking marijuana with more than 5g amanita.


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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21864964 - 06/27/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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MajickMuffin said:
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hobowizard said:
What's your experience with psychedelics? Sounds great though. (weed + amanitas is how I'll go.)



Well, NOW my experience with psychedelics is:
Psilocybin mushrooms 50+
Acid 2
Amanita 2

When I had amanitas it was my first psychedelic.
I DO NOT reccomend smoking marijuana with more than 5g amanita.





Why not? I nearly always smoke marijuana with aminita, it takes me to a whole other level.


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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: flickedbic]
    #21864973 - 06/27/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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flickedbic said:


Chew them well on an empty stomach.

Avoid carbonation as this will turn the euphoric muscimol into sickening ibotenic acid.

Heat the mushrooms at 190 to convert (decarboxilate) ibotenic to muscimol.


Soaking the mushrooms in fresh whole milk at room temp for some hours is said to improve effect profile.

Set an alarm and take a 40 minute nap after dosing; awake in a new world...

Drinking your urine after this will take you farther than you could expect.  Not for the novice, but this could be my #1 trip experience, mirroring the earler explanation by "deviate" (enjoining the great "I Am").

Booze goes well with this fruit, may help it absorb.

Siberian shamans extract the mushroom into something like reindeer milk rum.

The experience reminds me of the painting I headed this post with.  3 mushrooms picked from the forests of Northern California; urine recycled twice filtered out toxins... super clean, super strong.





Yes, exactly, this guy gets it. I havent tried the recycled urine thing. Gotta give that a try. The incredible thing about this mushroom is you can learn to enjoy the Great I AM even on low doses and you can take them as often as you need to.

That is what makes them so much more valuable than psilocybin in my opinion. Psilocybin is amazing but you cant just take it whenever, you have to space it out so much more.

But anyway this is why I have a theory about why so many people seem to dislike fly agaric. My theory is that these people either do not know God, or they do not understand the aspect of God they are being shown on fly agaric.

They want to see the pretty colors and sacred shapes of psilos and fail to realize that God is present in all experience.

Not to say that psilos aren't also a deeply sacred mushroom. But fly agarics are truly unique.


Edited by Deviate (06/27/15 04:38 PM)


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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: Deviate]
    #21865018 - 06/27/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Deviate said:
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MajickMuffin said:
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hobowizard said:
What's your experience with psychedelics? Sounds great though. (weed + amanitas is how I'll go.)



Well, NOW my experience with psychedelics is:
Psilocybin mushrooms 50+
Acid 2
Amanita 2

When I had amanitas it was my first psychedelic.
I DO NOT reccomend smoking marijuana with more than 5g amanita.





Why not? I nearly always smoke marijuana with aminita, it takes me to a whole other level.




IME, at 20g amanita in me, smoking weed took me to a whole new level. But it was quite overwhelming.


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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21865035 - 06/27/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well, I would find 20 grams of aminita very overwhelming on its own regardless of marijauna. Usually marijuana helps to relax and transcend intense psychedelic experiences. I have used it to turn bad trips into good ones several times.

Its weird I know, because you would think if you were having an overly intense experience that taking another powerful psychedelic would just makes things worse. I thought that too and refrained from smoking during a way overly intense mescaline trip. When I finally gave in and smoked, everything changed and the trip became wonderful and fantastic.


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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: Deviate]
    #21867219 - 06/28/15 04:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Main substance in SOMA is said to be Ephedra. (in many sources)

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Also, about the urine: shamans (mainly siberian) used to take really big doses of amanita muscaria which is said to be a bit toxic, not so good for your physical body, but piss of such shaman is sterile which makes it very good. there's left only the good[1] stuff.

[1] good - trippy.

BTW!!! I did collect many amanitas a year ago (was planning for consumption) but then I noticed... There were so many ugly white shitty worms... So... P.much 95% what I collected (was I guess around 50-100g fresh) was total shit which I had to throw away. My friend did use amanitas, said he had no effect and was also disgusted by the fucking worms. This was a huge turn off for him (the worms), for me also, I believe, since I've never actually have taken them. Though, I used them to kill flies. (in my language amanita muscaria means - paprastoji musmire, paprastoji means - simple. and musmirė means: mus - fly (its actually musė - fly, so just without an ė). mirė - died/death.


Edited by hobowizard (06/28/15 04:49 AM)


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Re: Lemon tek with fly agaric [Re: Deviate]
    #21867222 - 06/28/15 04:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Deviate said:
Well, I would find 20 grams of aminita very overwhelming on its own regardless of marijauna. Usually marijuana helps to relax and transcend intense psychedelic experiences. I have used it to turn bad trips into good ones several times.

Its weird I know, because you would think if you were having an overly intense experience that taking another powerful psychedelic would just makes things worse. I thought that too and refrained from smoking during a way overly intense mescaline trip. When I finally gave in and smoked, everything changed and the trip became wonderful and fantastic.



Marijuana does the opposite for me now.

But it used to do the same as what you've just said.


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