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scorps1212
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Truffles vs Shrooms
#21850167 - 06/24/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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So.....from the same site I bought the grow kit from a few months ago, my mate has ended up buying already made truffles.
Now I told him it's much better to grow your own shrooms but he wanted to try the truffles this site from Amsterdam sell.
They arrived today and look so much different to shrooms. In the delivery it came with a note saying although a lot of people say truffles are less intense and less visual than shrooms, this is not proven correct.
My mate is giving me 10g of truffles to try. Now my question is do I do the whole 10g in a LemTek or do 5g in LemTek? I had an amazing experience on 5g of shrooms in LemTek but am worried that if truffles are a lot less potent, me doing 5g of truffles in a LemTek will hardly have an affect on me.
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Truffles are more potent by weight to fresh mushrooms. But not to dried ones. Here's the mushroom dosage calculator. It'll help you get your dosage.
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Achillita beat me to it....use the calculator.
5g cubensis dry vs 5g truffles dry are very different things. Do some reading on dosing and find out why because it doesn't sound like you understand what you are doing. Also you are not growing your own mushrooms. Someone did all the hard work for you and you are opening and misting a bag. Doing the reading, putting in the time, and doing things the right way are what is so satisfying about growing your own. the potency of his stuff vs your stuff literally could come down to genetics. You have not grown your own mushrooms. If your kit is a success, even then, you have produced sub surface sclerotia.
Good luck to you sir.
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10 grams of fresh truffles should be the approximate equivalent to about 2 - 2.5 grams of dry cubensis
If I were in your shoes I would take the entire 10 grams.
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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: Ncogneato]
#21850544 - 06/24/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Achillita......Cheers for that. Very helpful. Although it does say for a Level 5 trip, you need to only do 5g of Mexicana. I did 5g the first 2 times of doing them and I wouldn't say my trip was that in the description of a Level 5 trip. I'd say I had between a Level 3 and level 4 trip on 5g.
SteveRogers.......can I have your autograph and maybe your shield? I know what your saying bud. I wanna grow my own from scratch. I have only just managed to bring the misses round to me taking shrooms, the next step is to talk her round to me growing them. I think after I have tried the truffles, I will talk to her about growing them.
Ncogneto.......Cheers for that bud. Just looking on the site he bought them from and they also say 10g for a medium trip and 15g for a heavy trip. So yeah, truffles are less potent than dried shrooms.
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You are ahead of the game just by being interested and asking questions. Sclerotia, whether its ATL# 7, Mexicana, or Tamp. if you just want invitro stones, are actually very easy and discrete to produce. You don't need a fruiting chamber or worry about spawning to anything. The user "Stonesun" is a wizard in this area. Check his grow logs out. they are quite detailed and impressive results every time.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13431948/page/1
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Definitely do the lemon tek as you may be wishing for a stronger experience otherwise. I've had six different varieties of truffles all from Amsterdam. The "variety" is just a marketing ploy for the length of time the truffles are grown. I've used the tek on 15g of some potent buggers. It was roughly around 3.5-4g of cubes. Had a bit of tolerance though. Enjoy the ride.
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MY guess is the truffles you have are fresh, so that's why 10 grams is a good dose.
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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: Achillita]
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Cheers Steve......I'll have a read of that. As the woman turned around and said she can't be happy with me growing in the house and was very to the point about it. So looks like growing my own is out of the question. But I'll still read the link to see if I can get around it.
Soulshine......Yeah I think I'm going to do 12g LemTek just to be on the plus side of a nice visual trip.
Achillita......I have just found out today that yes they are fresh. Not dried out yet. So I think I'm gunna stick them all on some newspaper and stick them in a warm cupboard to dry a bit, on Monday I will take 12g out to do Monday, and leave the rest to completely dry out for another session a few weeks later.
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You can keep truffles in the fridge in a paper bag for either a few weeks or months.
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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: Achillita]
#21856290 - 06/25/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Aww.. I remember reading somewhere that truffles are more potent in general . I guess it does depend the genetics,I was reading a write up on a truffles tek and they were recommending mexicana and galindoi spores to make truffles and said they are 2x more potent fresh then fresh mushrooms and dried about 2/3 the potency .. Re reading it I see the 2/3 dried means its less potent then dried mushrooms. but even still.. most shrooms i've had at once was like roughly 4 grams and I tripped out hard! Let us know how your 10 grams hits ya 
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Steve.....checked out that link. Very helpful. But......I still gotta have the jars made up and that's gunna be an issue to hide. And I'll have no place to store them in natural light without her seeing them. I got a loft but there's no natural light up there.
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Abductee......Yeah I will do mate. I'll set up another thread once I've done them. The site says 10g for a medium trip and 15g for a heavy trip. So I've decided to go 12g LemTek.
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scorps1212 , now i'm currious.. how my psychedelic experiences rank.. I have to say, in the past i've done what I thought was alot. I would say I explored more than experimented but I never did anything like dropped ten hits or eaten a half O of shrooms.. I'm thinking is it possible to have a more trippy trip than i've had.lol I took shrooms once the night after september 11th. I swear I astrologicaly projected myself under the debri and tried to comfort a survivor.. the grief of all that death was too much that my spirit went to play with the seals and they were swimming around me, their snoots in my face, it wasnt enough to bring me out of my grief and I met a whale who told me her story of how she was a native american in her previous life and she through herself off the cliff and then became a whale. she helped me relax by telling me to take deep breaths and with every breath we sunk deeper and deeper into the ocean.. at that point I was completely relaxed and no longer emotionaly distraught, but in the deep it was black and she told me that there are things down here bigger than her.. so I came back to my body and told my gf who was with me of my trip.
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Let us know how it goes. If your lemon teking make into some lemonade and strain the spent flesh bodies. No nausea fast come up more intense its a win win.
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scorps1212 said: Steve.....checked out that link. Very helpful. But......I still gotta have the jars made up and that's gunna be an issue to hide. And I'll have no place to store them in natural light without her seeing them. I got a loft but there's no natural light up there.
Ya I hear you on that one. Best not to hide it from the wife. Mine was of a similar mindset and rightfully so. Then I gave her some....and everything changed. You will be happier in a solid marriage than if you hide it have great time and end up single. Stonesun is THE MAN though keep him in mind if your situation changes.
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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: Achillita]
#21858276 - 06/26/15 01:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Achillita said: Truffles are more potent by weight to fresh mushrooms. But not to dried ones. Here's the mushroom dosage calculator. It'll help you get your dosage.
Maybe I misread it but, truffles when wet are more potent than dried cubes. But dry stones are not more potent than cubes, they're about 2/3 the potency.
If that's what you meant, then yes that's correct.
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The potency of commercial sclerotia / truffles is a bit unpredictable. This was something I posted on another thread:
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I was thinking about the potency of these things, which is hard to judge until you eat them. There are two frequent scenarios - one is that you sit there in a very mild trip thinking "this is total bullshit" and the other is that you buy something where the producers make extravagant claims for the potency, you think "yeah right" and then realize, as the dimensions of the room start shifting, that THEY WERE NOT FUCKING KIDDING.

The potential potency range for sclerotia is quite wide. Based on comparing my experiences with other people's posts, this is how I would see the situation:
If it's weak, 15g sclerotia might give you a trip that compares to 1.5g cubes. If it's average commercial stuff, nothing special, it might compare to between 2 and 2.5g. If it's decently strong it might be equivalent to 3g, and if it's super-potent it could reach maybe 4g. To get a trip equivalent to 5g of cubes off 15g sclerotia would be at the outer-limits of possibility I would say.
The stuff about truffles being less intense and less visual is not true, but bear in mind that a lot of dosage advice from commercial sellers is fairly cautious and aimed at first-time users.......if you ate 15g of typical mexicana you would most likely be underwhelmed.....on the other hand sclerotia can occasionally turn out to be viciously potent, and 15g might be a fairly challenging trip. Usually the seller will give some clue as to how potent the stuff they are selling is supposed to be.
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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: Aldebaran]
#21859960 - 06/26/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Abductee......Wow. That's trippy. I've never had an outer body experience yet. The most I've got so far is as I was going in and out of the trip, it was like I was entering water when in the trip, and coming out of water when coming out of the trip. My breathing changed between in and out of trip too. As I was just going in or just coming out, I would be holding my breathe and then breathe a big breath as I was through the change. If that makes sense.
Lovesquare.......I most definitely will leave a report once I have done it mate. And I gotta say, I say I will be doing LemTek but I don't like lemons, I use orange juice instead. But I don't think there is an orangetek Is there? Lol. So I won't be making lemonade. I like bottled lemonade but not lemonade made with fresh whole lemons. Sounds weird right? Lol.
Steve......Yeah I have told her I would love for her to try them with me and how much she'll love it, but she not budging. She's too set in her own ways and not very open minded to try stuff at all. Your lucky dude.
Alderbaran.......Cheers for that info mate. Problem is the seller didn't mention how potent the mexicana is. Just said 10g medium trip and 15g high trip. 2 times that I would class a medium enjoyable trip with visuals, I did 5g cubes in a LemTek. I am aiming to get the same sort of trip with the truffles. So if what you previously posted in another thread is true, I'm gunna have to be taking 20+grams. Ah man. If this is true, after the truffles are gone, it's definitely going to have to be cubes from now on.
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That's fresh weight though. 20 grams of fresh screlotia compared to 40 grams of fresh cubes. Now if the stones were dried it'd be like 6 grams or so to compare to your 5 grams dried cubes.
Also, your 5 gram would have been 50 grams if it was fresh. And depending on species and potency, 15 grams could get you a level 5. Just check out the calculator.
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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: Achillita]
#21860346 - 06/26/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just used the calculator again and I must be doing something wrong mate. I put wanting to reach level 4 trip, I put P Mexicana (Sclerotia) and selected dried and not fresh. Hit the calculate button and it said 5 grams. Then out of curiosity I changed the level to 5 and it said I should take 6.7 grams.
I must be using it wrong. I don't know what to put in the miligrams section so I left them as they were. And the first 2 options I also left as default as I'm not sure what to put in there either.
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Are these truffles able to be bought by Americans online? Do they actually contain psilocin/psilocybin??
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MagicalOrangutan said: Are these truffles able to be bought by Americans online? Do they actually contain psilocin/psilocybin??
No. Yes.
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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: Buck513]
#21862378 - 06/27/15 01:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Then where does the guy live to where he's apparently able to buy them? did I miss something?
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I just used the calculator again and I must be doing something wrong
The calculator doesn't give reliable figures for truffles / sclerotia. It gives a figure of 13g fresh mexicana for a level 5 trip, but reports for this kind of dosage are usually something like "I had a good time with my friends, we saw a few visuals and laughed a lot".
Regarding fresh vs dry weights, dosage for sclerotia is usually assumed to be fresh weight unless stated otherwise - it would be unusual to find anywhere selling dried sclerotia.
The Shroomery Sclerotia FAQ gives the standard comparison of cubes vs sclerotia:
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How potent are sclerotia? Fresh, sclerotia is twice as potent as fresh P. cubensis. Dry, sclerotia two thirds as potent as dry P. cubensis.
As Achillita says, this makes 20g of fresh sclerotia equivalent to 40g of fresh cubes (which would be equivalent to 4g dry cubes.....which would be equivalent to 6g dry sclerotia). N.B fresh cubes are assumed to be 90% water, fresh sclerotia 70% water, if my maths is right.
This is a bit complicated but it boils down to the "1g of dry cubes = 5g fresh sclerotia" ratio that is commonly quoted.
Those are ballpark figures for good quality sclerotia. The big issue is that the potency increases with age, which is the main reason why it's difficult to give accurate dosage advice. For example this post by M11 in the Easier than Cubes thread:
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M11 wrote: I think I have come to a new conclusion regarding truffle dosages. I have found that 30 g fresh of 2 month or less than 2 month old sclerotia is a fantastic dose. I think that once the truffles reach about 3-4 months 25 g is more than enough. Once they hit the 5-6 month time frame, 20 g is where it is at.
I really believe that their potency increases drastically with age.
The dosages I listed above, for me at least, are very comparable to a 4 gram trip on cubes. I tried 30 g of some less than 2 month old sclerotia last night and it was pretty ridiculous, including great visuals and a fantastic body high.
I think I might try 50 g fresh of some truffles at some point within the next year...
Knowing whether you are eating mexicana, tampanensis or ATL#7 doesn't really tell you how potent they will be - they can all be cultivated longer for higher potency. The clue is usually in the name they are sold under - stronger sclerotia is frequently re-named for marketing purposes (e.g hollandia, dragon's dynamite e.t.c)
Judging by reports, some of the sclerotia sold online is actually quite strong; some of this is marketed as "hollandia" and claimed to be the strongest available. I've seen a few reports where first-time users have eaten a 15g dose of this and discovered it's way too strong for them.....the website would say something like "this is very strong, don't eat more than 7g for a first-time trip". Sometimes it can be marketing bullshit....sometimes it's good advice.
Anyway I found an old post of mine that gives generic advice about sclerotia dosage: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16903065#16903065
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So if what you previously posted in another thread is true, I'm gunna have to be taking 20+grams.
I honestly don't know....but if you've been lemon-tekking 5g doses of cubes then 20g sclerotia is not an unreasonable dose to try.
Just remember that occasionally the sclerotia turns out to be more potent than you expect - this a report of probably the most potent stuff I tried, where 15g gave an unusually fierce trip:
15g Dragon's Dynamite Sclerotia - an indirect way to experience Egypt
That's an example of the upper end of the potency range.......but then again I've tried a 15g dose of the same "Dragon's Dynamite" stuff more recently, and it was a pretty mild trip.
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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: Aldebaran]
#21863808 - 06/27/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I had my first and best trip on truffles, for me they were waaay more euphoric and powerful. However I can't be sure of the dose but I think I took an awful lot, I estimate between 15-20g. There was muticoloured geometry everywhere and just touching things felt amazing.
The reason I have no idea how much I ate was that I started with 9g which didn't do a great deal but my friend was getting visuals so I got jealous and started wolfing the damn things down with brownies. I reckon I ate a whole pack which was just under 20g.
I need to up my dose of shrooms and see if it was actually because the truffle experience is different or if it's just I took that many! (currently took a max of 4g dry shrooms).
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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: sarahnya]
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Recently I've obtained 10 grams of dried Tampanensis truffles. I believe its potency is equal to 2/3 of dried cubes. I've never had a mushroom trip before, so I wonder if it would be smart to take all 10 grams with the right set & setting? I had about 10 LSD trips, my typical dose is 250 µg and I am planning also one more acid trip before doing shrooms where I am probably will take a bit larger dose (I guess 300 µg this time). I guess I am the only one who is able to say should I take all 10 grams at once, but maybe some assumptions and cautions what should I expect from such a doses (so if I am correct it will be equal to about 6,66 grams of dried cubes ) from more experienced users?
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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: Naekro]
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Where the hell do you gotta live to buy these truffles at
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Netherlands, U.K., etc..
If you want some truffles here in the US, grow em or us the other interweb.
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man I havent tripped in over 6 years i'd guess.. wow, cant wait to trip on my babies. ( still trying to conceive)
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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: Naekro]
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Recently I've obtained 10 grams of dried Tampanensis truffles.
This thread should be useful, discusses how to prep (rock hard) dried truffles http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20804471#20804471
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would be smart to take all 10 grams with the right set & setting?
It's hard to know, sclerotia potency can be all over the place as per my previous post. The equivalent fresh weight is about 33g in theory. I usually find that 30g+ doses of fresh sclerotia are starting to get a bit delusional, a bit challenging, they can be on the borderline where they either settle down into something euphoric, or ramp up into something intense and extremely bizarre. I've had "oh shit I'm dying" trips at this dose level, and introspective or entertaining trips that were fairly manageable.
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maybe some assumptions and cautions what should I expect from such a doses (so if I am correct it will be equal to about 6,66 grams of dried cubes
If they do turn out to be this potent, it could be a trip of remorseless intensity, going insane within the spiraling depths of your CEV.....it's difficult to overstate the intensity of a strong shroom trip. I'd be cautious about that kind of dose. Potentially it's a very strong dose, in reality it may not be.
My personal approach to unknown sclerotia potency is to split the dose 50/50 and eat the second half after 90 minutes. By this time I can usually tell how strong the trip is likely to get.
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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: Aldebaran]
#21865415 - 06/27/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wow, thanks for such a great info! I will check that thread.
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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: Naekro]
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I can say I recently increased dosage of fresh stones from 10 to 30 grams and found it a great choice and surprisingly manageable. I wouldn't be scared to go at it again or even go higher in the future with the right setting (though I'll give it a couple weeks, it was a pretty powerful experience ) if you so desire here is a recent trip report on the 30g fresh. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21806547
In cubensis the highest dose I have taken was 7g dry, a few 5g trips as well, and more than a few fresh 50g doses. I would say I would try a heavier dose of stones before I would try a heavier dose of cubes. I really love stones.
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Wow guys. Some really great advice and info here. Well pleased I asked the question now. I now know so much more about sclorotia than before starting this thread.
Ok so now my decision has changed. I'm not gunna bother with a 10g dry trip. I think I'm going to go for a 20g trip. Don't wanna do a low doseage, have a scrappy mild trip, and give me a bad impression on truffles.
I have just weighed what I got to take and it weighs in at just over 17g Holy crap. Well.....don't look like I'll be doing a 20g trip. Will have to make do with 17g. Lol.
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Wait are the screlotia dry? Like rock hard dry?
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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: Achillita]
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I have just tried breaking them. The colour has changed from a redy browny colour to black. But when I break them, they are still a bit soft inside. So I'm drying them out a bit more in the airing cupboard.
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You seem to be confusing fresh and dry. At least, you are confusing me.
Truffles you get in the mail will be considered "fresh". They will be dry ish on the outside and have the consistency of a soft nut inside. Dry truffles will be rock hard and will need to be crushed or ground up with force. 10 grams fresh will dry out to about 3 grams dry. If you take were to take 17 grams fresh you should have a very nice trip. If you were to take 17 grams dry you should be talking to God as you speed through the outer reaches of galaxy on a rainbow unicorn. Big difference.
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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: Ncogneato]
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Right ok. Well they had gone black on the outside and I was able to break through them with my fingers and they were soft on the inside. So I take it these were not proper dry then?
I grinder them up as best I could about 5 hours ago, obviously couldn't get them to powder cause they were soft inside, mixed them up with orange juice and consumed. I felt nothing at all. Although I was sick. But then I was sick when I done cubes and still had a bloody awesome trip. But today, nothing, nothing at all. No visuals, no light headedness, no smiley feelings inside, nothing.
What went wrong? I done all 17g of them.
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Ok now I'm very confused. I must have been reading this whole thread wrong. I was under the impression that dry truffles are less potent than fresh truffles. I think I read that fresh truffles are more potent than cubes but dry truffles are about 2/3 the potency of cubes. But you mentioned 17g fresh will give me a good trip but 17g dry will be talking to God. Lol. So your saying dry truffles are more potent than fresh?
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Compared to cubes that is, Fresh to fresh, and dried to dried.
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My mate received them in the post 5 days ago. I got mine off him 4 days ago and stuck them in the airing cupboard with the hot water on constant for 24 hours (airing cupboard was pretty warm seeing the water was constantly on.
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Ah ok. Gotcha. Now I get it. But I still don't see why I felt nothing at all.
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Are you on meds? Previous tolerance? It might have just been bunk stones
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Nope.....no meds bud. I had nothing to eat for about 5 hours before taking them. All I had to drink was the orange juice that I consumed them with. Was at my own house so as comfortable as I could be. No interruptions.
Could it be cause I was sick so I bought them all up and down the toilet? But this didn't seem to bother me when I threw up on cubes.
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Threw up about 20-30 minutes after taking them
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20 mins after taking them. I threw up before I started coming up. When I threw up on cubes, I was already up for about 29 mins before I was sick
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you probably didn't break them down enough to actually ingest psilocybin. and the reason dry will give you a stronger trip is because all that water.
20 grams fresh sclerotia is equal to 40 fresh cubes because the cubes have so much more water content. it's the same reason 3g dried sclerotia is equal to 10g regarding potency they are more potent by weight. just like how an ounce of fresh mushrooms is about an eighth of dried
sorry you didn't trip. damn nausea I'm lucky in that area 100+ trips and no nausea at all
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Ah right ok. So it could be down to not breaking them down enough and me throwing them back up.
Sticking with the 'not breaking them down enough' issue. I take it you can eat truffles on their own right? Without brewing or blending them into orange or lemon juice. But surely if you just eat them as they are, you won't be breaking them down to injest the psilocybin. So if I didn't break them down enough, wouldn't that be just like me eating them straight up?
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Truffles are more dense and take a bit longer to absorb. When you vomited, most of the actives came up with it. This happened to me the first time i ate them. The taste was too much for me. The next time I took them I took small bits and gulped them down with o.j. to cover the taste. I had a nice trip. Sorry about your luck bro. Get some more and try again.
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Ah ok. Yeah they were a nightmare to take. At least with cubes, when blended with the OJ the cubes float. With the truffles, they sunk to the bottom of the glass so I had to scoop them out with a spoon and slosh down with the OJ. Lol.
I think next time I'll take cubes from now on. I have had 2 awesome trips with just 5g of them and know that it works for me.
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Sheesh. I'll repeat myself again.
Dry stones are less potent than cubes, fresh stones are more potent than cubes. They're only more potent when fresh because they have a smaller water content.
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I'm very new to stones.. but i'm pretty sure you can just eat them. I make it a habit to chew up my psyches into a gooey mush before swallowing so my stomach isn't doing so much work. to answer your question, no. if you eat sclerotia and you don't throw up your stomach acid will break it up and release the psilocybin and you'll trip. the reason it takes so long to kick in is because your body needs to break up the shroom to get to the goodies inside. if you get rid of the fungi before you get any psilocybin you won't trip
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100+ trips and no throwing up......you lucky bugger. Lol
not even that, no feeling sick (accept one time but I was already sick) and no bad trips. i guess i just have a stable mind and body trip on my friend!
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well if you threw up them up shortly after ingestion you would need to eat more and not throw up to have a trip....
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Sheesh. I'll repeat myself again.
Dry stones are less potent than cubes, fresh stones are more potent than cubes. They're only more potent when fresh because they have a smaller water content.
Yeah I understand now bud. All is clear now. Cheers. I wasn't reading the potency as fresh to fresh and dry to dry.
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See I couldn't imagine chewing them straight up. So you chew up your shrooms and then wash them down with a drink after? I could try that next time. Chew up the shrooms to a goo and wash them down with OJ
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I just presumed it would have been ok as I threw up the shrooms on my first time taking them not long after injesting them. Shrooms must have injested much quicker than the truffles.
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See I couldn't imagine chewing them straight up. So you chew up your shrooms and then wash them down with a drink after? I could try that next time. Chew up the shrooms to a goo and wash them down with OJ
That's what I do when I have straight shrooms, or make tea. Chocolates are the only thing around most times.. I usually use orange juice cus I heard it helps break it down and the vitamin d helps with visuals. Probably not true but whatevs. I think my lack of nausea has less to do with method of consumption and more to do with body chemistry. I Just have a tough gut. always have. if you already started tripping that means your body came in contact with psilocybin. depending on how strong your stomach acid is and how long it was in contact with the psilocybin before you threw up you might have gotten it all
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See now I tried shrooms in chocolate. I powdered up 5g and mixed it into 12 cubes of chocolate. Me and my bro ate the chocolates, 6 each, and we felt nothing. I would love to do it in chocolate again cause it tasted really nice and I wasn't sick, but the 5g of dry cubes wasn't enough to have an affect on me. If I ever do chocolates again, I'll try maybe 10g dry cubes but with less chocolate.
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The chocolate had nothing to do with you not feeling anything.
You basically ate 2.5 grams, which isn't much. And I don't feel like going through the previous pages to check, but I get the sense you ate some mushrooms no more than a week ago.
You build a tolerance to mushrooms quick, it don't surprise me you felt nothing
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Yeah just over a week ago was the chocolate. And your right, I messed up with the doseage on that one. 5g between me and my bro so only 2.5g each. And the time before that was brewed in tea which was only a week before the chocolate. Now I see why you guys leave it a bit longer between trips now. So that's what the tollerance means? Lol.
Well the next time I do cubes is going to be a while now so that should help on the tollerance side of things. And I think I'm happy to do chocolates again as they were really nice and didn't throw up on them. But will just increase the doseage to maybe double. I'll try 5g on my own first before sharing with my bro.
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Man......I really am glad I found this site. I'm learning so much about something I wanna experience and knew absolutely nothing about. Even though I'm being such a pain, you guys are being really patient and helpful. Cheers guys.
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Also, just to be clear, 5 grams isn't double the experience of 2.5 grams. Psilocybin scales exponentially. I'd say that 5 grams can be any where from 3x to 5x as strong as a 2.5 gram dose. We don't want you dosing too high and having a terrible experience, or one that you don't know how to handle and end up hurting yourself.
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Ah man......Really? Ok. That's why I have read recommended dose in chocolate is 2.5 to 4g. That's weird. Would never have guessed 5g being that much more than 2.5g. Because I felt nothing on the 2.5g, I would have presumed to double it for it to have an effect on me.
But I'm hearing you guys. Ill stick to 4g in a chocolate just for myself then. And leave it a good month or 2 before doing another trip.
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how big were these chocolates you made? the chocolates i get are maybe like half as much chocolate as a normal hershey's and they have 2g powdered in each and they do most people in my town good, I prefer two of those. however, we get killer shrooms. it sounds like you spread it out into a lot of chocolate.. when i eat two I start to get nauseous from too much chocolate and it sounds like mine have higher mushroom content. look at one of my threads I made mushroom hot chocolate because I didn't like how all that shit made me feel (i find it ironic that I get nauseous from chocolate but not mushrooms) IME 2 powdered grams in a chocolate a month apart from an eighth of the same dry fruits feels about the same level trip. there's two tolerences. physical lasts 3-7 days and has to do with body chemistry state of mind etc. psychological tolerence has to do with what you are going through. you need time to stumble upon things to get answers for.
AND potency varies GREATLY each batch is different. this is why caution is advised. as long as you don't do anything stupid like jump out a window or go swimming i think all is good, as long as you're confident and strong minded you'll be fine just don't try to fight the shrooms. you seem like a pretty smart guy so i'm not too worried. it's always good to er on the side of caution.
as long as you're positive you DIDN'T FEEL ANYTHING i think it might be safe to double it. i always try a couple grams to test any batch then double it. ive never had 2g hit me unless in chocolate or tea. just be careful I've done things most would recommend against in terms of psyche.
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I'm a noob to this site too, longtime lurker, new member.
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We melted a chocolate bar approx 30cm long by 30cm across. Once melted we poured it all into an ice cube tray. We managed to fill in 12 cubes of the tray. Once frozen and taken out, each of the 12 chocolates measured approx 1 inch by 1 inch. The 5g of shrooms was spread over the 12 pieces of chocolate.
When you say you consumed 2 chocolates, were they about the same size pieces that I had or were they full chocolate bars? I think like you said, maybe I spread a little amount of shrooms over too much chocolate. Next time I think I will lower the amount of chocolate and raise the amount of shrooms.
I never have any worries when about to start a trip as I am a very positive person. Have got nothing worrying or negative going on in my life. So I always bring a positive attitude into my trips.
Well, thanks again for taking time out to explain things and help us out. Appreciate it.
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yea the ones I get are poured into a different mold, he used ice trays once in a hurry and he put 2 grams in each still. side note, I have noticed darker chocolate hides the taste of the shrooms better IME
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Sorry mate.....so he put 2g in each ice cube tray? Or in each cube?
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each peice of chocolate was 2 grams. he sold a cube for 10$
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no need to be sorry bro, I'm the one who should've explained better.
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Ah right ok. Wow so 5g of powdered shrooms divided into 12 pieces of chocolate. No wander I didn't feel it. Lol. Cheers bud. Think I'll try chocolates again next time instead of Orange Tek. Just so I know I won't throw it all up again.
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i also put one on smores one time, it was awesome
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Snores......mmmm. Never tried one but saw them being made on the film 'the sandlot kids' and they look yummy.
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have you at least had roasted marshmellow?
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No.....never. Well I might of all those years ago back when I was in cubs or scouts. Lol
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You Are Missing Out BIG TIME!! oh man, all caramelized and gooey. YUM!
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IMO best part of the smores
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Smores are 2 pieces of wafer with chocolate and marshmellow in between right?
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Wow.....we gone well off topic here. Lol
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hahaha yea we did. yea it's gotta be a roasted marshmallow though. and the wafer is graham crackers.
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Crackers??? Ah no way man. Crackers are too dry and not sweet enough. If I made one it'd have to be wafer like ice cream wafer.
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graham crackers are more like a cookie
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Ah ok. Never heard of them but in that case, great idea
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http://www.honeymaid.com/varieties this. YOU MUST KNOW. the honey grahams are the best. i like to dip them in milk. i can go through a whole box that way. you gotta try these bro.
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Can you get them in UK? Never seen em, but to be honest, they do look lush.
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You can get Golden Graham's, a cereal is that what you mean?
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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: sarahnya]
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I have no idea bro, I have never been more than a couple hundred miles away from home. if anything you should be able to order them. I have had golden grahams and they don't even compare.
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Graham crackers helping moms get the boys to stop masturbating since the 50's!
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sorry didn't realize the image was so big.
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Lol
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that just made my day trippiehunter, thanks for that
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n/p guys! I love me some graham crackers and milk though!
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I want one now!
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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: sarahnya]
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They are pretty dope, does anyone have any questions about truffles? or should we start a graham cracker thread?
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Hahaha. Shall I change the title of this thread to Graham Crackers? Lol
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its on you brother.
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Better not. It'll confuse people that are reading it from the start. They'll think they're reading about these Graham doodah's and when they read the first 3/4 of the thread about truffles, they'll be disappointed. Lol
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i'd rather read a thread about truffles than graham crackers anyway
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