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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: Achillita]
    #21860346 - 06/26/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I just used the calculator again and I must be doing something wrong mate. I put wanting to reach level 4 trip, I put P Mexicana (Sclerotia) and selected dried and not fresh. Hit the calculate button and it said 5 grams. Then out of curiosity I changed the level to 5 and it said I should take 6.7 grams.

I must be using it wrong. I don't know what to put in the miligrams section so I left them as they were. And the first 2 options I also left as default as I'm not sure what to put in there either.


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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: scorps1212]
    #21862240 - 06/27/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Are these truffles able to be bought by Americans online? Do they actually contain psilocin/psilocybin??


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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #21862270 - 06/27/15 12:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Are these truffles able to be bought by Americans online? Do they actually contain psilocin/psilocybin??



No. Yes.


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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: Buck513]
    #21862378 - 06/27/15 01:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Then where does the guy live to where he's apparently able to buy them? did I miss something?


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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: scorps1212]
    #21862638 - 06/27/15 04:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I just used the calculator again and I must be doing something wrong




The calculator doesn't give reliable figures for truffles / sclerotia. It gives a figure of 13g fresh mexicana for a level 5 trip, but reports for this kind of dosage are usually something like "I had a good time with my friends, we saw a few visuals and laughed a lot".

Regarding fresh vs dry weights, dosage for sclerotia is usually assumed to be fresh weight unless stated otherwise - it would be unusual to find anywhere selling dried sclerotia.

The Shroomery Sclerotia FAQ gives the standard comparison of cubes vs sclerotia:

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How potent are sclerotia?
Fresh, sclerotia is twice as potent as fresh P. cubensis.
Dry, sclerotia two thirds as potent as dry P. cubensis.




As Achillita says, this makes 20g of fresh sclerotia equivalent to 40g of fresh cubes (which would be equivalent to 4g dry cubes.....which would be equivalent to 6g dry sclerotia). N.B fresh cubes are assumed to be 90% water, fresh sclerotia 70% water, if my maths is right.

This is a bit complicated but it boils down to the "1g of dry cubes = 5g fresh sclerotia" ratio that is commonly quoted.

Those are ballpark figures for good quality sclerotia. The big issue is that the potency increases with age, which is the main reason why it's difficult to give accurate dosage advice. For example this post by M11 in the Easier than Cubes thread:

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M11 wrote: I think I have come to a new conclusion regarding truffle dosages.  I have found that 30 g fresh of 2 month or less than 2 month old sclerotia is a fantastic dose.  I think that once the truffles reach about 3-4 months 25 g is more than enough.  Once they hit the 5-6 month time frame, 20 g is where it is at.

I really believe that their potency increases drastically with age.

The dosages I listed above, for me at least, are very comparable to a 4 gram trip on cubes.  I tried 30 g of some less than 2 month old sclerotia last night and it was pretty ridiculous, including great visuals and a fantastic body high.

I think I might try 50 g fresh of some truffles at some point within the next year...




Knowing whether you are eating mexicana, tampanensis or ATL#7 doesn't really tell you how potent they will be - they can all be cultivated longer for higher potency. The clue is usually in the name they are sold under - stronger sclerotia is frequently re-named for marketing purposes (e.g hollandia, dragon's dynamite e.t.c)

Judging by reports, some of the sclerotia sold online is actually quite strong; some of this is marketed as "hollandia" and claimed to be the strongest available. I've seen a few reports where first-time users have eaten a 15g dose of this and discovered it's way too strong for them.....the website would say something like "this is very strong, don't eat more than 7g for a first-time trip". Sometimes it can be marketing bullshit....sometimes it's good advice.

Anyway I found an old post of mine that gives generic advice about sclerotia dosage: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16903065#16903065

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So if what you previously posted in another thread is true, I'm gunna have to be taking 20+grams.




I honestly don't know....but if you've been lemon-tekking 5g doses of cubes then 20g sclerotia is not an unreasonable dose to try.

Just remember that occasionally the sclerotia turns out to be more potent than you expect - this a report of probably the most potent stuff I tried, where 15g gave an unusually fierce trip:

15g Dragon's Dynamite Sclerotia - an indirect way to experience Egypt

That's an example of the upper end of the potency range.......but then again I've tried a 15g dose of the same "Dragon's Dynamite" stuff more recently, and it was a pretty mild trip. :shrug:


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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: Aldebaran]
    #21863808 - 06/27/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I had my first and best trip on truffles, for me they were waaay more euphoric and powerful.  However I can't be sure of the dose but I think I took an awful lot, I estimate between 15-20g.  There was muticoloured geometry everywhere and  just touching things felt amazing.

The reason I have no idea how much I ate was that I started with 9g which didn't do a great deal but my friend was getting visuals so I got jealous and started wolfing the damn things down with brownies.  I reckon I ate a whole pack which was just under 20g.

I need to up my dose of shrooms and see if it was actually because the truffle experience is different or if it's just I took that many! (currently took a max of 4g dry shrooms).


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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: sarahnya]
    #21864907 - 06/27/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Recently I've obtained 10 grams of dried Tampanensis truffles. I believe its potency is equal to 2/3 of dried cubes. I've never had a mushroom trip before, so I wonder if it would be smart to take all 10 grams with the right set & setting? I had about 10 LSD trips, my typical dose is 250 µg and I am planning also one more acid trip before doing shrooms where I am probably will take a bit larger dose (I guess 300 µg this time). I guess I am the only one who is able to say should I take all 10 grams at once, but maybe some assumptions and cautions what should I expect from such a doses (so if I am correct it will be equal to about 6,66 grams of dried cubes :evil:) from more experienced users?


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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: Naekro]
    #21865175 - 06/27/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Where the hell do you gotta live to buy these truffles at


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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #21865257 - 06/27/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Netherlands, U.K., etc..

If you want some truffles here in the US, grow em or us the other interweb.


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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: TrippieHunter]
    #21865377 - 06/27/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

man I havent tripped in over 6 years i'd guess.. wow, cant wait to trip on my babies. ( still trying to conceive)


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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: Naekro]
    #21865390 - 06/27/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Recently I've obtained 10 grams of dried Tampanensis truffles.




This thread should be useful, discusses how to prep (rock hard) dried truffles http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20804471#20804471

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would be smart to take all 10 grams with the right set & setting?




It's hard to know, sclerotia potency can be all over the place as per my previous post. The equivalent fresh weight is about 33g in theory. I usually find that 30g+ doses of fresh sclerotia are starting to get a bit delusional, a bit challenging, they can be on the borderline where they either settle down into something euphoric, or ramp up into something intense and extremely bizarre. I've had "oh shit I'm dying" trips at this dose level, and introspective or entertaining trips that were fairly manageable.

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maybe some assumptions and cautions what should I expect from such a doses (so if I am correct it will be equal to about 6,66 grams of dried cubes




If they do turn out to be this potent, it could be a trip of remorseless intensity, going insane within the spiraling depths of your CEV.....it's difficult to overstate the intensity of a strong shroom trip. I'd be cautious about that kind of dose. Potentially it's a very strong dose, in reality it may not be.

My personal approach to unknown sclerotia potency is to split the dose 50/50 and eat the second half after 90 minutes. By this time I can usually tell how strong the trip is likely to get.


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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: Aldebaran]
    #21865415 - 06/27/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Wow, thanks for such a great info! :smile: I will check that thread.


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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: Naekro]
    #21865487 - 06/27/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I can say I recently increased dosage of fresh stones from 10 to 30 grams and found it a great choice and surprisingly manageable. I wouldn't be scared to go at it again or even go higher in the future with the right setting (though I'll give it a couple weeks, it was a pretty powerful experience:wink:) if you so desire here is a recent trip report on the 30g fresh. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21806547

In cubensis the highest dose I have taken was 7g dry, a few 5g trips as well, and more than a few fresh 50g doses. I would say I would try a heavier dose of stones before I would try a heavier dose of cubes. I really love stones.


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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: filthyknees]
    #21867793 - 06/28/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Wow guys. Some really great advice and info here. Well pleased I asked the question now. I now know so much more about sclorotia than before starting this thread.

Ok so now my decision has changed. I'm not gunna bother with a 10g dry trip. I think I'm going to go for a 20g trip. Don't wanna do a low doseage, have a scrappy mild trip, and give me a bad impression on truffles.

I have just weighed what I got to take and it weighs in at just over 17g :frown: :thumbdown: Holy crap. Well.....don't look like I'll be doing a 20g trip. Will have to make do with 17g. Lol.


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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #21867836 - 06/28/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Where the hell do you gotta live to buy these truffles at





Yeah I'm in UK bud. They deliver to UK


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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: scorps1212]
    #21869761 - 06/28/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wait are the screlotia dry? Like rock hard dry?


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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: Achillita]
    #21871884 - 06/29/15 03:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have just tried breaking them. The colour has changed from a redy browny colour to black. But when I break them, they are still a bit soft inside. So I'm drying them out a bit more in the airing cupboard.


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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: scorps1212]
    #21872915 - 06/29/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You seem to be confusing fresh and dry. At least, you are confusing me.

Truffles you get in the mail will be considered "fresh". They will be dry ish on the outside and have the consistency of a soft nut inside. Dry truffles will be rock hard and will need to be crushed or ground up with force. 10 grams fresh will dry out to about 3 grams dry. If you take were to take 17 grams fresh you should have a very nice trip. If you were to take 17 grams dry you should be talking to God as you speed through the outer reaches of galaxy on a rainbow unicorn. Big difference.


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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: Ncogneato]
    #21872935 - 06/29/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Truffles vs Shrooms [Re: Achillita]
    #21873089 - 06/29/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Right ok. Well they had gone black on the outside and I was able to break through them with my fingers and they were soft on the inside. So I take it these were not proper dry then?

I grinder them up as best I could about 5 hours ago, obviously couldn't get them to powder cause they were soft inside, mixed them up with orange juice and consumed. I felt nothing at all. Although I was sick. But then I was sick when I done cubes and still had a bloody awesome trip. But today, nothing, nothing at all. No visuals, no light headedness, no smiley feelings inside, nothing.

What went wrong? I done all 17g of them.


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