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Re: Native American spirituality [Re: deff]
    #21857267 - 06/25/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Very interesting post, deff.  :smile:


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Re: Native American spirituality [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #21857365 - 06/25/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Buddhists are exactly like any other people, deff : they are light.

when they are happy, they are happy,

when they are in love, they are in love.

when they're peaceful, they're peaceful. and so on.

any statement about what Buddhists are necessarily reflects the heart of the one saying it -

at its most essential, Buddhists are the same as everything - and everyone - else.

There are mistaken Buddhists, and there are forsaken Buddhists,

The same as there are of every other group.  It makes no difference. Human beings are human beings, and they are all capable of love, of life, and of everything else.


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Re: Native American spirituality [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21857576 - 06/25/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

To elaborate,

to anticipate,

we are love filled - we Buddhists are.  we don't like people saying we have no love.


The end. :smile:


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Re: Native American spirituality [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21857580 - 06/25/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i agree :smile: though i do think there is a difference in the different spiritual paths in terms of what is emphasized in the teachings, and this then is often reflected by those who take the teachings to heart. there is certainly much beauty in buddhist teachings, but i have found that the view that a strong belief in the core tenets of the buddhist path creates, both in myself when i was a practicing buddhist and in others i observed at the same time, has certain weaknesses in my opinion. that said, i feel that every codified system has weaknesses if one adheres solely to the views it espouses without finding out for themselves, from their heart, what their own truth about life is :smile: i'm not saying by any means that buddhists cannot be loving or happy - just critiquing buddhism as a spiritual path :smile: there are many buddhist teachers and practitioners that radiate tremendous love, as is the case with all spiritual paths :smile:


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Re: Native American spirituality [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21857587 - 06/25/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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some of us are invincible -


not all of us are;


to wish to  -

gently,


amend


is not out of wish to cause harm,

but merely to prevent harm.



thank you and with light.


joy.


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Re: Native American spirituality [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21857601 - 06/25/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

to say things like 'there's no love in buddhism,' which is a simplification - but essentially the essence of the message -


is merely a painful thought, feeling, image - that is how it reads - i may be mistaken.


it feels that way to me -



i agree with you completely, deff - to me you are like a spiritual godbrother


yet i see some of dev's words as. . . coming from pain.  i cannot but feel that pain as my own.


empathic considerations are primary in buddhism - by understanding that others matter just as myself - or are connected, etc. etc.


then i feel what they feel - etc. etc.


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Re: Native American spirituality [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21857614 - 06/25/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

buddhists are light,

all beings are - some did come from heaven to come here. . . we all were there. . .


anyway - ya if i say that to buddhists, they don't understand, so i mostly don't - that is not really a shortcoming though, it is just their fulfilling their dharma, they are upholding Dharma's law by their lives.  and doing much good, most of the time.


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Re: Native American spirituality [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21857644 - 06/25/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i found this quote by Vivekananda that expresses it nicely:

'All who have actually attained any real religious experience never wrangle over the form in which the different religions are expressed. They know that the soul of all religions is the same and so they have no quarrel with anybody just because he or she does not speak in the same tongue.'


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Re: Native American spirituality [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21857756 - 06/25/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

perhaps i was incorrect, to mention what i said - but as i have healed from all pain, many years ago, and spent a whole lifetime free of it, in peace and joy, i would be remiss in not saying, it is possible to be in such a way healed. 

further, i know that who we are - the soul, is free of pain forever; that climactic changes or temporal experiences do not reach who we really are.

i know as well that wrangling over things, is not generally helpful to life -

and as of pain - part of the path of healing is to let it be, to heal itself - not continuing to say, 'i have been injured,'

-- buddha said this, yet there's another way to express it. . .

one that may be more illustrative, it came from a gambler;

bill 'bulldog' sykes said it,

bear with me, it's worth it -


he said - (and someone enlightened him to this) 'when someone asks you how you are doing, say, 'wonderful, wonderful' - if you are not good, don't share it - why?  because 95% of whom you say it, won't care, and the other 5% will be damned glad to hear it.


and one might say - yes, but this was from a gambler.  but the point is - it's true.  And he is saying the same thing - in a way - that Buddha was saying - if you remove completely, the thought, 'i was defeated, robbed, or hurt,' you banish hatred forever.

that's basically very precisely the words.



now it's not that one should not express something - but this is just not true, the types of things he's saying.  they're not at all or even close.


now - we can see that the view that people care isn't fully on - people care, even if they don't know it. . .


humanity has been evolving toward empathy for many centuries, many thousands of years. 

or - we've always had it. . whichever way you want to look at it.


the point is - get healed first - then go exploring.  but get to health and peace first. . . and that means perfect health, and perfect peace - and yes, that does include a total breaking away from samsaric views. . .


for samsara holds us back - and it's mostly with views, such as views relating to health, to humanity, to peace, to life, to any number of other things - that are false.


the true viewpoint is that everything is possible - all infinite good under the sun is possible - because we are alive.


and buddhists teach this as well as anyone, as they are able.


the main, essential point is that all paths are valid.  all beings are valid and sacred --- all beings are light. 

when this is seen - all disruption fades, disappears -


as long as humans create distinctions of value - such as 'this person is great as opposed to. .' there will be wrong actions - as a result of wrong view.


anytime we set someone up as better - but it's not that so much, anytime we set someone up as inferior -- then the door to harm is being opened.


so I am saying - shut that door.


talking about religions is all very fine and good - but as a practitioner of Buddhism, as a Buddhist, as a Buddha, i do find it of value to - once again, as gently as possible - attempt to share -



erm,

no

there is infinite love in all hearts.


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Re: Native American spirituality [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21857767 - 06/25/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

there are 2 things:


infinite argument, and infinite peace, life, bliss, love, joy, faith, and so forth.

and then there is 1.


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Re: Native American spirituality [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21857772 - 06/25/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

pain can be healed when you let it go with love.


notice how kind-hearted, light-filled and love-filled buddhists relate to christians.







see.










they do so with love.


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Re: Native American spirituality [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21857931 - 06/25/15 11:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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to say things like 'there's no love in buddhism,' which is a simplification - but essentially the essence of the message -


is merely a painful thought, feeling, image - that is how it reads - i may be mistaken.


it feels that way to me -



i agree with you completely, deff - to me you are like a spiritual godbrother


yet i see some of dev's words as. . . coming from pain.  i cannot but feel that pain as my own.


empathic considerations are primary in buddhism - by understanding that others matter just as myself - or are connected, etc. etc.


then i feel what they feel - etc. etc.




Some of my words  do come from pain, because I have not yet healed from all pain. I am in that process now and confronting some of my own deepest pain.


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Re: Native American spirituality [Re: Deviate]
    #21857981 - 06/25/15 11:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

love to you brother, i feel it all equally, w/ all my heart may you be healed,


but 1 thing is - letting go of the thoughts of it, that it has happened, can be very useful - that is, letting it heal of its own

especially since, all are equal,

an',

ya,

anyway - friendship, peace and joy to you dear friend, may you always have dreams of light,

and glad tidings.

see you another day.


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