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stems and fur in mannure
    #21849321 - 06/24/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ok I got hold to this rabbit poo today but the pile I got it from had rabit poop, stems from dead plants and rabbit fur in small ammounts I tried to clean it from the stems and fur as much as. I can but there were too many will i be able to use it as a compost for bulk or it won't work unless it is 100% mannure ?


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Re: stems and fur in mannure [Re: Rabbit]
    #21849343 - 06/24/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:lol: rabbit fur.


I would use it in small increments, due to rabbit poo's NPK value..
Rabbit manure is even higher in nitrogen than some poultry manures as well as phosphorous.


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Re: stems and fur in mannure [Re: Rabbit]
    #21849344 - 06/24/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It would be an interesting experiment as I have yet to see that used as a substrate in almost a decade of lurking around this taco stand.


However, you should just get yourself some proper manure such as http://www.shroomsupply.com/raw-ingredients/dehydrated-horse-manure

or bulk with coir such as http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595/fpart/1/vc/1


Mr. Fox do you seriously know the nitrogen/phosphorous content of Rabbit shit off the top of your head? You guys never cease to be brilliant.


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Re: stems and fur in mannure [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21849414 - 06/24/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ok but will there be a problem if there is a small ammount of dead plant matter and rabbit fur in it ?I can't find coco coir nor horse poop here there are no horse farms close .


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Re: stems and fur in mannure [Re: Rabbit]
    #21849429 - 06/24/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It is certainly not ideal to have those inclusions. Especially if it is unknown plant material.

In a large nutshell...
I would say make sure its thoroughly leeched and properly aged. clean as best you can. bring up to field capacity. mix with straw if you like. add oyster/lime if you like.
Hope for the best. Report back here. Then tear your mind/universe apart with resulting fruit bodies.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17246858#17246858


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Re: stems and fur in mannure [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21849466 - 06/24/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well the the plant material is mostly from straw and grass and cherry trees which the rabbits eat and are they are the leftovers from their cages and while they were in the compost pile they degraded and are hard to remove from the poop..


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Re: stems and fur in mannure [Re: Rabbit]
    #21849508 - 06/24/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

ok......clean it as best you can. The hair is more concerning to me than the plant debris assuming the pile has been aging for awhile. But it's not the end of the world.

Good Luck to you.


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Re: stems and fur in mannure [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21849549 - 06/24/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hair or fur is a slow release nitrogen,  I personally wouldn't worry about taking it out


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Re: stems and fur in mannure [Re: mush madness]
    #21849566 - 06/24/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: stems and fur in mannure [Re: Green Bastard]
    #21849582 - 06/24/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Nice GreenBastard I knew someone would come through with something more than conjecture. My bad


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Re: stems and fur in mannure [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21849809 - 06/24/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hmm i can't do that recipe because i don't have access to coco coir and i don't drink coffee so i don't have spend coffee grounds too i also mixed the rabbit poop with some chicken and i found 6 large cow shits on the road which are well aged atm I've put the rabbit and chicken poops in a bucket of watter to leach from the amonia when i picked them up they didn't smell so I'll mix them with the cow shits i found and let them leach in the water for 24h then I'll spread them on this large plastic sheet and let them dry for 2 weeks in open air under the sun then I'll mix them with straw verm gypsum and pasteurize them wish this will work


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Re: stems and fur in mannure [Re: Rabbit]
    #21849819 - 06/24/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ty for all the replies guys now I don't worry about the additives I have I my rabbit poop xD


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Re: stems and fur in mannure [Re: Rabbit]
    #21849829 - 06/24/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Should have taken my own advice an UTFSE

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5289673

FooMan beat ya to it. He doesn't really wrap it up at the end, but apparently it was progressing well...


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Re: stems and fur in mannure [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21849967 - 06/24/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What is UTFSE anyways I guess it will work also from the thread which the green bastard posted I found the different manures NPK values here they are
Manure N – P – K VALUES –
Rabbit= N- 2.4 P- 1.4 K- .60,
Chicken=N- 1.1 P-.80  K- .50,
Sheep=N- .70 P- .30 K-.60,
Horse=N- .70 P-.30 K- .60,
Steer=N- .70 P-.30 K-.40,
Dairy Cow=N- .25 P-.15 K-.25
So I am wondering should I mix the rabbit manure I have atm with 3 times more cow sow that it is 25 %rabbit and 75 %cow and I'll have manure with values something like this N 0.75 P 0.45 K 0.35 which is closer to the horse manure proffile or should I just add the cow shits I found and don't search for more and see what wil happen xD Sorry if I have lots of mistakes but I am on my phone and I can't use the correct tool and English is not my native language.


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Re: stems and fur in mannure [Re: Rabbit]
    #21850003 - 06/24/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

....it means I should have used the search engine and investigated past use of Rabbit manure as a substrate before I ran my mouth about not seeing it in ten years.

If all the manure has been prepped and aged properly I can't really see it causing a big problem in the ratio you have now. The Rabbit manure does have a high N-P-K value so if you can maybe throw some straw in here or find another patty or two on the road to thin it out more....the leach/aging/prep is going to be more important than exact ratios of manure.


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Re: stems and fur in mannure [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21850072 - 06/24/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ok Ty so I'll try to find some more cow shits for how long do you reccomend leaching it I saw a thread where a guy said that half an hour of running water trough manure was enough to leach it so I think that if I leave the manure in a bucket of water for 24 hours and then spread it on a nylon for 2 weeks in open environment it will be ok here is rainy so I am shure that in those 2 weeks the rain will wash it few more times after that I'll crumble all the manure and mix it with 10% verm 10% gypsum and then mix it 1:1 with chopped straw and put it in a bag and psturize it will this work ?


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Re: stems and fur in mannure [Re: Rabbit]
    #21850102 - 06/24/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hang in there until someone that has done this personally checks in. I have only ever handled aged manure, but after USING THE SEARCH FUNCTION....

"Don't leach manure.  If it's field aged for 2 months in the sun, then it's ready to use.  If your bed didn't work, something else was wrong.
RR"

" Fresh manure has been tried every possible way. Leaching isn't the answer, aging is the answer.

Horse manure doesn't work nearly as well composted as uncomposted. Dry, field aged nuggets work best, and there's no urine to leach out.

The ammonia needs to be evaporated off. Only time will do that. Those in cold climates need to stock up on aged, sun dried manure during the summer and keep it in dry storage for use during winter.
RR"


Rabbits environment doesn't provide for field aging unless they are outdoors in a Rabbit enclosure (unlikely)


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Re: stems and fur in mannure [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21850236 - 06/24/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

SteveRogers said:
ok......clean it as best you can. The hair is more concerning to me than the plant debris assuming the pile has been aging for awhile. But it's not the end of the world.

Good Luck to you.




Did you guys see the thread where the dude tried to grow shrooms out of his dreadlocks? :lol:


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Re: stems and fur in mannure [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #21850256 - 06/24/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

uhhhhhhh wow....
Getting the water content on those had to be a bitch....did he sit next to the PC for 90 min?

If a colonized dread is left to consolidate too long is it hard to spawn??


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Re: stems and fur in mannure [Re: Rabbit]
    #21850292 - 06/24/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Rabbit said:
What is UTFSE anyways




I saw it here first too, not long ago. Had to google it...

"Use The Fucking Search Engine"


Quote:

Rabbit said:
..... and English is not my native language.




That considered, you're doing well here!


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Re: stems and fur in mannure [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21850336 - 06/24/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

SteveRogers said:
uhhhhhhh wow....
Getting the water content on those had to be a bitch....did he sit next to the PC for 90 min?

If a colonized dread is left to consolidate too long is it hard to spawn??




It contammed..
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21371661/fpart/all/vc/1


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Re: stems and fur in mannure [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #21850352 - 06/24/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

God damn Trich.....

Thank you so much for posting this. Just made my afternoon.


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