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Abortion causes less crime
God loves less crime!
Therefore god loves abortions!
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Abortion causes abortion! Less orphans, less homeless and more people able to sustain themselves and be a benefit to the economy!
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Re: Abortion causes drought [Re: sudly]
#21879633 - 06/30/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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sudly said: That's a good way to put it. There are natural deviations of the green house effect but evidence such as a skyrocketing carbon14 Ppm in the atmosphere suggest humans are greatly increasing the effect. Especially seeing as carbon 14 is due to the burning of fossil fuels.
Hmm..., let me guess. By further taxing of gasoline, diesel oil, propane, etc. and "tax credits" to rich bastards like T. Boone Pickens for "alternative fuels", we can shift the balance and stop the emissions and save the world. "Greatly increasing the effect" blah blah blah hey Rockefellers, can you give me a "climate scientist" grant too? I'll parrot the party line! We can get to 98%, it can be done.
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sudly
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By funding research into renewable energy and reducing GHG emmisions from fossil fuels we could reduce the effects of global warming such as higher ocean levels and acidity.
If you have a background in science and have a beneficial study you wish to undertake you're welcome to apply for a grant to do so. Its highly likely the consensus on climate change will increase to 98% soon.
I don't see any point in your response, it seems as though you are just ranting about things you don't understand.
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Re: Abortion causes drought [Re: sudly]
#21880303 - 06/30/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Another widely cited source for the consensus view is a 2009 article in "Eos, Transactions American Geophysical Union" by Maggie Kendall Zimmerman, a student at the University of Illinois, and her master's thesis adviser Peter Doran. It reported the results of a two-question online survey of selected scientists. Mr. Doran and Ms. Zimmerman claimed "97 percent of climate scientists agree" that global temperatures have risen and that humans are a significant contributing factor.
The survey's questions don't reveal much of interest. Most scientists who are skeptical of catastrophic global warming nevertheless would answer "yes" to both questions. The survey was silent on whether the human impact is large enough to constitute a problem. Nor did it include solar scientists, space scientists, cosmologists, physicists, meteorologists or astronomers, who are the scientists most likely to be aware of natural causes of climate change.
The "97 percent" figure in the Zimmerman/Doran survey represents the views of only 79 respondents who listed climate science as an area of expertise and said they published more than half of their recent peer-reviewed papers on climate change. Seventy-nine scientists—of the 3,146 who responded to the survey—does not a consensus make.
In 2010, William R. Love Anderegg, then a student at Stanford University, used Google Scholar to identify the views of the most prolific writers on climate change. His findings were published in Proceedings of the National Academies of Sciences. Mr. Love Anderegg found that 97% to 98% of the 200 most prolific writers on climate change believe "anthropogenic greenhouse gases have been responsible for 'most' of the 'unequivocal' warming." There was no mention of how dangerous this climate change might be; and, of course, 200 researchers out of the thousands who have contributed to the climate science debate is not evidence of consensus.
In 2013, John Cook, an Australia-based blogger, and some of his friends reviewed abstracts of peer-reviewed papers published from 1991 to 2011. Mr. Cook reported that 97% of those who stated a position explicitly or implicitly suggest that human activity is responsible for some warming. His findings were published in Environmental Research Letters.
Mr. Cook's work was quickly debunked. In Science and Education in August 2013, for example, David R. Legates (a professor of geography at the University of Delaware and former director of its Center for Climatic Research) and three coauthors reviewed the same papers as did Mr. Cook and found "only 41 papers—0.3 percent of all 11,944 abstracts or 1.0 percent of the 4,014 expressing an opinion, and not 97.1 percent—had been found to endorse" the claim that human activity is causing most of the current warming. Elsewhere, climate scientists including Craig Idso, Nicola Scafetta, Nir J. Shaviv and Nils- Axel Morner, whose research questions the alleged consensus, protested that Mr. Cook ignored or misrepresented their work.
Rigorous international surveys conducted by German scientists Dennis Bray and Hans von Storch—most recently published in Environmental Science & Policy in 2010—have found that most climate scientists disagree with the consensus on key issues such as the reliability of climate data and computer models. They do not believe that climate processes such as cloud formation and precipitation are sufficiently understood to predict future climate change.
Surveys of meteorologists repeatedly find a majority oppose the alleged consensus. Only 39.5% of 1,854 American Meteorological Society members who responded to a survey in 2012 said man-made global warming is dangerous.
Finally, the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change—which claims to speak for more than 2,500 scientists—is probably the most frequently cited source for the consensus. Its latest report claims that "human interference with the climate system is occurring, and climate change poses risks for human and natural systems." Yet relatively few have either written on or reviewed research having to do with the key question: How much of the temperature increase and other climate changes observed in the 20th century was caused by man-made greenhouse-gas emissions? The IPCC lists only 41 authors and editors of the relevant chapter of the Fifth Assessment Report addressing "anthropogenic and natural radiative forcing."
Of the various petitions on global warming circulated for signatures by scientists, the one by the Petition Project, a group of physicists and physical chemists based in La Jolla, Calif., has by far the most signatures—more than 31,000 (more than 9,000 with a Ph.D.). It was most recently published in 2009, and most signers were added or reaffirmed since 2007. The petition states that "there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of . . . carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate."
We could go on, but the larger point is plain. There is no basis for the claim that 97% of scientists believe that man-made climate change is a dangerous problem.
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Re: Abortion causes drought [Re: Rahz]
#21880378 - 06/30/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Source plz
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Rahz
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Re: Abortion causes drought [Re: sudly]
#21880695 - 06/30/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Copy the first line and paste it in google.
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Re: Abortion causes drought [Re: Rahz]
#21880806 - 06/30/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your source... http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303480304579578462813553136
That 'widely cited' source of yours has had plenty of backlash for it's outlandish discredited claims. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2014/may/28/wall-street-journal-denies-global-warming-consensus
If you'd like a better understanding of climate change than I can explain here, one of these journals may help.
Journal Compilation: 2009 Blackwell Publishing Ltd: Media, Politics and Climate Change: Towards a new research agenda. Alison Anderson. Via – readcube/articles.
2005 Society for risk Analysis: Cultural Circuits of Climate Change in U.K. Broadsheet Newspapers, 1985-2003. Anabela Carvalho. Via – readcube/articles Cambridge University Press, 22 Sep 2011. Who speaks for the climate?Making sense of Media reporting on climate change, Maxwell T. Boykoff. Via – Google books
Human Development report 2007/2008, Media coverage of climate change: Current trends, strengths, weaknesses, Maxwell T. Boykoff/J Timmons Roberts. Via – researchgate.net
China’s climate change policies: actors and drivers. July 2014, Lowly institute for international policy. Lisa Williams. Via lowyinstitute.org
Evolution. The modern synthesis. 1942, Huxley J, created 2015 via. Cabdirect.org
Or you could just google climate change and read a few pages without ignoring anything you don't understand.
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Re: Abortion causes drought [Re: sudly]
#21881089 - 07/01/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Isn't New York supposed to be under water by now?
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sudly
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Re: Abortion causes drought [Re: Rahz]
#21881490 - 07/01/15 02:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Rahz said: Isn't New York supposed to be under water by now?
You're statement is evident that you either do not or have not tried to understand the impacts of climate change. In the next several centuries as the average global temperature increases, so will the temperature of our oceans. As the oceans increase in temperature the water within them expands which raises the ocean levels. This is not a quick process and takes time to happen.
Small island close to sea level in the Australasian regions will be the first to be effected by rising ocean levels. Within the next 2 centuries, if the trends continue, a growing number of coastal regions will experience heightened ocean levels and damage as a result.
Reducing GHG emissions now is key to reducing the momentum of climate change and ensuring that mankind's future generations don't have a global catastrophe on their hands.
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Re: Abortion causes drought [Re: sudly]
#21881738 - 07/01/15 06:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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sudly said: Your source... http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303480304579578462813553136
That 'widely cited' source of yours has had plenty of backlash for it's outlandish discredited claims. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2014/may/28/wall-street-journal-denies-global-warming-consensus
If you'd like a better understanding of climate change than I can explain here, one of these journals may help.
Journal Compilation: 2009 Blackwell Publishing Ltd: Media, Politics and Climate Change: Towards a new research agenda. Alison Anderson. Via – readcube/articles.
2005 Society for risk Analysis: Cultural Circuits of Climate Change in U.K. Broadsheet Newspapers, 1985-2003. Anabela Carvalho. Via – readcube/articles Cambridge University Press, 22 Sep 2011. Who speaks for the climate?Making sense of Media reporting on climate change, Maxwell T. Boykoff. Via – Google books
Human Development report 2007/2008, Media coverage of climate change: Current trends, strengths, weaknesses, Maxwell T. Boykoff/J Timmons Roberts. Via – researchgate.net
China’s climate change policies: actors and drivers. July 2014, Lowly institute for international policy. Lisa Williams. Via lowyinstitute.org
Evolution. The modern synthesis. 1942, Huxley J, created 2015 via. Cabdirect.org
Or you could just google climate change and read a few pages without ignoring anything you don't understand.
Do you even admit to the ongoing geoengineering, or is that some "future" project yet to be started?
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sudly
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That's the idea, the hope is to use climate engineering methods like renewable energy and planting trees to help manage and reduce GHG emissions.
I don't see the point you are trying to make with this?
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the best arguement for renewable energy is a conservative one.
sure there's plenty of bluster on climate change, there were people 20 years ago that said new york would be underwater by now.
but gas and oil is finite. the sun is not.
at the moment we dont have solar panels that are very good. if we research them we will.
if you have megafarad capacitors (robert murray smith just built one this month).
and better collection systems. then instead of wasting lots of power moving it over transmission lines which are ugly to look at, we can source power right near our homes.
no need to fill your car up at any pump.
more money in YOUR pocket, to do with it what YOU want.
less government, less taxes.
i'd say thats a great reason to get behind renewable energy for anyone who isnt brainwashed by the oil industry.
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Re: Abortion causes drought [Re: rxb]
#21881762 - 07/01/15 06:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Even if global warming didn't exist, renewable energy is a great economic investment for now and the future.
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LunarEclipse
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Re: Abortion causes drought [Re: sudly]
#21881945 - 07/01/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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sudly said: That's the idea, the hope is to use climate engineering methods like renewable energy and planting trees to help manage and reduce GHG emissions.
I don't see the point you are trying to make with this?
The question was quite clear. Do you even understand the term geoengineering? Know who David Keith is and what he is proposing in terms of aerosol spraying etc. as a "possibility" of how to "solve the global warming problem"? He even wrote a book about it. Royal Society guy? Any of this even remotely familiar to you? Ken Caldeira? Am I getting warmer?
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Re: Abortion causes drought [Re: rxb]
#21881957 - 07/01/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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rxb said: the best arguement for renewable energy is a conservative one.
sure there's plenty of bluster on climate change, there were people 20 years ago that said new york would be underwater by now.
but gas and oil is finite. the sun is not.
at the moment we dont have solar panels that are very good. if we research them we will.
if you have megafarad capacitors (robert murray smith just built one this month).
and better collection systems. then instead of wasting lots of power moving it over transmission lines which are ugly to look at, we can source power right near our homes.
no need to fill your car up at any pump.
more money in YOUR pocket, to do with it what YOU want.
less government, less taxes.
i'd say thats a great reason to get behind renewable energy for anyone who isnt brainwashed by the oil industry.
I'm looking to build an array of TV satellite dishes that I've been collecting and use a thermal fluid to run through iron pipe with flanged fittings (hot oil leaks past threaded) to circulate it through the focal point(s) of the 8 dishes as the sun moves across the sky to create not only hot water and heat for my house but also electricity through an unfired steam generator. Also a solar pump for my well to pump water up the hill then capture the energy as it moves back down the hill a night and waters my plants down below while spinning a little water driven generator to store up energy in my batteries.
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What about a laser? That would be very cool!
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Kurt
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Re: Abortion causes drought [Re: Khancious]
#21882931 - 07/01/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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To point to a variable "97% scientific consensus" Neil Degrasse Tyson and Bill Nye the Science guy sock puppets work the best.
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