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NET NEUTRALITY REARS ITS UGLY HEAD...
    #21847490 - 06/23/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

FCC trying to impose a 100 million retroactive fine on ATT.  Good, bad or indifferent.  Please read the one FCC commisioners dissenting opinion.

ATT will fight, and this will go on for years.  Oh, by the way, the FCC didn't need the new NET Neutrality to fight this, there were already existing laws in place that could have been pursued.

https://www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20150617/11444331379/fcc-moves-to-fine-att-100-million-throttling-unlimited-plan-users.shtml


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Re: NET NEUTRALITY REARS ITS UGLY HEAD... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #21847642 - 06/23/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That article is very pro FCC and pro net neutrality.  Whose side are you on?


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Re: NET NEUTRALITY REARS ITS UGLY HEAD... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21847693 - 06/23/15 08:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Actually, the FCC had the ability to do this years ago.  But my point was read the dissenters opinion.  That's why I said 'Good, Bad, or Indifferent'


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Re: NET NEUTRALITY REARS ITS UGLY HEAD... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #21853782 - 06/25/15 04:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Actually, the FCC had the ability to do this years ago.  But my point was read the dissenters opinion.  That's why I said 'Good, Bad, or Indifferent'




What's your point regarding the dissenters opinion? I think he's off-base.

The point here is not really regarding net neutrality. ATT claimed that they were offering "unlimited" data, but we're in fact limiting the speed. They allegedly didn't do a good enough job of making the consumer aware of that. Unless I'm missing something, this is more about false advertising than it is about net neutrality.


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Re: NET NEUTRALITY REARS ITS UGLY HEAD... [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #21854144 - 06/25/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

^ exactly


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Re: NET NEUTRALITY REARS ITS UGLY HEAD... [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21862538 - 06/27/15 02:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thats the point.  The government could have clamped down on it LONG ago. Do you see where I am going with this?


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Re: NET NEUTRALITY REARS ITS UGLY HEAD... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #21862566 - 06/27/15 03:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Okay. But this has nothing to do with Net neutrality laws......


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Re: NET NEUTRALITY REARS ITS UGLY HEAD... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #21862617 - 06/27/15 03:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Thats the point.  The government could have clamped down on it LONG ago. Do you see where I am going with this?




I'm not sure. Are you implying that ATT was lobbying the government to turn a blind eye?


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Re: NET NEUTRALITY REARS ITS UGLY HEAD... [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #21863712 - 06/27/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No, I am saying really that the laws already existed to take care of this WITHOUT NET NEUTRALITY.  This was a disguise for getting the camel's nose under the tent--'it will stop companies from ripping off consumers'  in reality, those laws existed--NET NEUTRALITY however, cements an UNELECTED FEDERAL Bureau into place that can now control the interent--good or bad, they are running the show now.  And if you still trust the government, well, I can't help you nor can anyone else.  You will get what's coming, like all the rest of us, unfortunately.


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    #21863737 - 06/27/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:confused: I still have no clue why you brought up that case. Once again, this case has NOTHING to do with the recent net neutrality discussion. That case was about false advertising, not net neutrality.

The recent FCC rules simply state that an ISP cannot offer preference to certain companies for extra money. They have allow access to all content equally. I am still baffled as to how anyone thinks this is a bad idea, and have yet to see a good argument against it. The government is not controlling the Internet, as you claim, but simply allowing everyone to be on a level playing field.


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Re: NET NEUTRALITY REARS ITS UGLY HEAD... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #21863751 - 06/27/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

But you see, we've always had net neutrality laws in place. At least as long as I've been in the net (1995). I think they made it a public utility, like power or water/sewer, but beyond that, nothing has changed.


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Re: NET NEUTRALITY REARS ITS UGLY HEAD... [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21863775 - 06/27/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, you are right.  What has changed is now they have total control.  No matter what they said their intentions are, they can fuck us royal on a whim.  See I don't mind going after shit like ATT did.  What I mind is now someone I DIDNT ELECT OR VOTE FOR can make the rules.


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Re: NET NEUTRALITY REARS ITS UGLY HEAD... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #21863797 - 06/27/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, I see. Well, it's become such an important part of life to so many, I don't think they'll try anything heinous (beyond this odious NSA thing).


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Re: NET NEUTRALITY REARS ITS UGLY HEAD... [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21863844 - 06/27/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

C'mon duk you ain't that naive. :grin:

I trust those dick-licking shitbags in Washington about as far as I can throw a ten-ton truck.


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Re: NET NEUTRALITY REARS ITS UGLY HEAD... [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21863894 - 06/27/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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But you see, we've always had net neutrality laws in place. At least as long as I've been in the net (1995). I think they made it a public utility, like power or water/sewer, but beyond that, nothing has changed.




The issue is that the rules weren't strong enough. Comcast was charging Netflix more and hampering connection to their site. Making the Internet a public utility, which it is, will prevent nonsense like this from happening again.


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Re: NET NEUTRALITY REARS ITS UGLY HEAD... [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #21863912 - 06/27/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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But you see, we've always had net neutrality laws in place. At least as long as I've been in the net (1995). I think they made it a public utility, like power or water/sewer, but beyond that, nothing has changed.




The issue is that the rules weren't strong enough. Comcast was charging Netflix more and hampering connection to their site. Making the Internet a public utility, which it is, will prevent nonsense like this from happening again.





I find it hard to believe, as smart as you are, that you are that politically naive and actually trust government.


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    #21863913 - 06/27/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Yes, you are right.  What has changed is now they have total control.  No matter what they said their intentions are, they can fuck us royal on a whim.  See I don't mind going after shit like ATT did.  What I mind is now someone I DIDNT ELECT OR VOTE FOR can make the rules.




Who has total control? How do you see them fucking us royal?

And people you didn't elect or vote for have always been making the rules. That's how the FDA, EPA, FCC, etc. work. The people you did vote for (Congress and the Executive branch) can override the rules if they want.


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Re: NET NEUTRALITY REARS ITS UGLY HEAD... [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #21863928 - 06/27/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Yes, you are right.  What has changed is now they have total control.  No matter what they said their intentions are, they can fuck us royal on a whim.  See I don't mind going after shit like ATT did.  What I mind is now someone I DIDNT ELECT OR VOTE FOR can make the rules.




Who has total control? How do you see them fucking us royal?

And people you didn't elect or vote for have always been making the rules. That's how the FDA, EPA, FCC, etc. work. The people you did vote for (Congress and the Executive branch) can override the rules if they want.




That's exactly right.  And they don't override the rules do they?  Even when the people want them to.  Whose fault is that?  Think carefully about your answer.


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Re: NET NEUTRALITY REARS ITS UGLY HEAD... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #21863973 - 06/27/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

People didn't want them to in this case. Making ISPs Title II common carriers was extremely popular.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/11/12/wonkbook-polling-shows-even-republicans-overwhelmingly-support-net-neutrality/


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Re: NET NEUTRALITY REARS ITS UGLY HEAD... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #21864180 - 06/27/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

>I find it hard to believe, as smart as you are, that you are that politically naive and actually trust government.

Damn near all extreme leftists are like that. I thought you knew.


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