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Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury'
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"(Reuters) - The autopsy of the Baltimore black man who died after being hurt while in police custody shows he suffered a "high-energy injury" like those in shallow-water diving accidents, the Baltimore Sun reported on Tuesday.
The spinal injury to Freddie Gray, whose death in April triggered protests and rioting, was most likely caused when the police van in which he was riding suddenly decelerated, the newspaper said. It cited a copy of the autopsy report, which has not been made public.
The state medical examiner's office concluded that Gray's death fit the medical and legal definition of an accident. But it ruled the death to be a homicide because officers failed to follow safety procedures "through acts of omission."
Gray, 25, was arrested on April 12 following a foot chase by officers and suffered a severe spinal injury while in police custody.
His death a week later sparked protests over police brutality and looting and rioting that drew national and international attention to the case.
The State's Attorney's Office charged the six officers involved in Gray's arrest and death. Officer Caesar Goodson Jr., the driver of the van, is accused of second-degree depraved heart murder.
Three other officers are charged with manslaughter and two officers face lesser charges. The trial is set for October, and the officers have pleaded not guilty.
Though Gray was loaded into the van on his belly, the medical examiner surmised that he may have gotten to his feet and was thrown into the wall during an abrupt change in direction, the Sun said.
He was not belted in, but his wrists and ankles were shackled, putting him "at risk for an unsupported fall during acceleration or deceleration of the van," the newspaper said, citing the autopsy report.
The report was completed on April 30, the day before State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby announced the criminal charges. The deadline for releasing evidence, including the autopsy report, to defense lawyers is Friday.
Mosby said in a statement that her office did not release the report and that she condemned the leaking of information. A spokesman for the state medical examiner declined to comment.
Lawyers for the officers said in a statement that they had not seen the report and did not have a copy."
What do you guys think about this?
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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See if he wouldn't have run from the police he wouldn't have ended up bouncing off the steel walls of the paddywagon. He brought this on himself.
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: r00tuuu123]
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shouldn't have bounced around...
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: r00tuuu123]
#21847096 - 06/23/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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so he was water diving sometime before he was arrested and injured himself and when he had his scuffle in the back of the van he aggravated his diving injury so it was mearly a coincidence that he died, a strange and random set of events
well im glad we at least got to the bottom of it, i bet all those people who over reacted and blamed the police feel stupid now
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said: so he was water diving sometime before he was arrested and injured himself and when he had his scuffle in the back of the van he aggravated his diving injury so it was mearly a coincidence that he died, a strange and random set of events
Pretty sure that will be the M.E.s report.
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: r00tuuu123]
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I didn't read anything about him actually diving. That was just an example of the type of injury he had. I find it really strange that he would get up while shackled in a moving vehicle. I don't know what could have happened because a spinal injury would be a strange thing to happen even from police brutality. Usually it's head trauma or choking.
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: Gorlax]
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Gorlax said: I didn't read anything about him actually diving. That was just an example of the type of injury he had. I find it really strange that he would get up while shackled in a moving vehicle. I don't know what could have happened because a spinal injury would be a strange thing to happen even from police brutality. Usually it's head trauma or choking.
It's called rough riding:
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A rough ride is a form of police brutality in which a handcuffed prisoner is placed in a police van without a seatbelt, and is thrown violently about by driving the vehicle erratically.[1][2][3] Other terms for the practice include "nickel ride" (a reference to carnival rides),[4][5] "cowboy ride",[2][6] "joyride",[7] "bringing them up front",[1] and "screen test" (as the prisoner may hit the protective screen behind the driver).[3][8] Rough rides have been implicated in a number of injuries sustained in police custody, including the death of Freddie Gray in Baltimore, Maryland, in April 2015.[1][2][6] Throughout the U.S., police have been accused of using aggressive driving tactics to "rough suspects up", resulting in numerous injuries, and millions of dollars of damages awarded to victims and their families.[4][6]
Baltimore lawyer Phil Federico described the practice as "definitely intentional", saying "they're unbelted, the inside of these wagons are not padded, they can't protect themselves, and they get thrown from one side to the other, usually landing on their head, and fracturing their neck."[2] University of South Carolina professor Geoffrey Alpert, an expert in police use of force, has asserted that the practice was common in the 1980s and 1990s, but has become less so with the increased presence of video recording equipment in police vehicles.[1] There are no reliable records of the frequency of these incidents.[4][6]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rough_ride_(police_brutality)
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: koods]
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it's called anyone who thinks cop's are angel's and don't need to be thoroughly examined in our culture, as opposed to just focusing on street urchins in our culture and only account for them instead of ALL the trouble makers, are simply slow on the upkeep.
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: r00tuuu123]
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makaveli8x8 said: so he was water diving sometime before he was arrested and injured himself and when he had his scuffle in the back of the van he aggravated his diving injury so it was mearly a coincidence that he died, a strange and random set of events
Pretty sure that will be the M.E.s report.
if the MEs arent looking ate older injuries they're fucking retards because it could have played a part. grey standing in a van was his own stupidity because he surely knew what was coming since koods tells us this is common practice in baltimore. if these cops are found guilty then I hope they're ass raped with a cement truck
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: akira_akuma]
#21847609 - 06/23/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It will be very difficult to prove that this injury was done intentionally, how does one prove it? Is negligence a crime in this case?
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: qman]
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Nice sig Pris 
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: koods]
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Well if rough ride has a wiki page it must happen all the time. I still don't see how you could kill someone without crashing or flipping the truck.
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Gorlax said: Well if rough ride has a wiki page it must happen all the time. I still don't see how you could kill someone without crashing or flipping the truck.
Humans are weird like that. We can survive insane amounts of trauma some of the time, but other times even a punch to the wrong spot will kill us instantly.
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: Gorlax]
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They killed Freddie grey without crashing the truck 
I think he fell and hit the base of his head on a protruding bolt.
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: Gorlax]
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maybe he was standing at one end of the van, waited for the van to start putting the breaks on, and he ran to the other end to try and kick the door open to excape jail, only he slipped and used his head instead
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: Gorlax]
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Gorlax said: Well if rough ride has a wiki page it must happen all the time. I still don't see how you could kill someone without crashing or flipping the truck.
The inside of a police van is basically a steel room with a sitting bench.
If your feet and hands are both tied with cuffs, and you don't have a seatbelt on, a person has no ability to secure themselves without moving around, compound that effect if the driver of the van goes from 40 mph to 0 mph in very short order, a person will hit very hard into the steel wall without any protection.
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: qman]
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I'd like to see this on the mythbusters.
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said: maybe he was standing at one end of the van, waited for the van to start putting the breaks on, and he ran to the other end to try and kick the door open to excape jail, only he slipped and used his head instead
Clearly, it was a suicide.
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: Gorlax]
#21847735 - 06/23/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Gorlax said: I'd like to see this on the mythbusters.
This is too dark for them. But yeah.
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: Gorlax]
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Gorlax said: I'd like to see this on the mythbusters.
So would I, but I wouldn't want to be the real life example. I don't think the van driver had any intention of killing a person that day, maybe just a "rough ride".
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: qman]
#21847760 - 06/23/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can't blame the police for wanting to give the criminals a rough ride every once in a while but this went way too far.
The guy had taken opiates and marijuana that day so maybe the defense can get all the charges dropped.
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: koods]
#21847761 - 06/23/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: koods]
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Bitter Cactus said: You can't blame the police for wanting to give the criminals a rough ride every once in a while but this went way too far.
Police are never allowed to administer any form of punishment on a potential suspect, their job is to arrest a suspect and bring them before a court of law, nothing more.
If someone physically resists arrest then all bets are off, but if they are fully cooperative then no injuries should happen at all.
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koods said: Nice sig Pris 
Mines bigger.
hes a couple of years behind too
thats what they want you to think, the truth is time has been manipulated just like everything else, think about it, people in power like to control things, controling time would be the ultimate show of power. Our entire calender is based off of when a person died and said person is supposed to resurrect or some shit which would make our entire timeline invalid causing a paradox and thats not even taking into account that they could have osama bin laden'd him and killed him at a different time further complicating matters, and lets not forget about the dinosaurs
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: qman]
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qman said: It will be very difficult to prove that this injury was done intentionally, how does one prove it? Is negligence a crime in this case?
negligent homicide wouldnt be difficult to prove, in the case of Casey Anthony they were so determined to prove 1st degree murder they failed to consider there could be an acquittal due to them being unable to prove the death of her daughter was intentional and that failure made it too much of an embarrassment for the state to bring more charges that didnt violate the double jeopardy clause
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: Mad_Larkin]
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: Prisoner#1]
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makaveli8x8 said: so he was water diving sometime before he was arrested and injured himself and when he had his scuffle in the back of the van he aggravated his diving injury so it was mearly a coincidence that he died, a strange and random set of events
Pretty sure that will be the M.E.s report.
if the MEs arent looking ate older injuries they're fucking retards because it could have played a part. grey standing in a van was his own stupidity because he surely knew what was coming since koods tells us this is common practice in baltimore. if these cops are found guilty then I hope they're ass raped with a cement truck
You already know that aint gonna happen to more than 1 of them. They put him in the police truck to if not kill then torture him for making them chase him. Last I checked our constitution don't make cops Judge Dredd.
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: r00tuuu123]
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Pretty sure that will be the M.E.s report.
if the MEs arent looking ate older injuries they're fucking retards because it could have played a part. grey standing in a van was his own stupidity because he surely knew what was coming since koods tells us this is common practice in baltimore. if these cops are found guilty then I hope they're ass raped with a cement truck
You already know that aint gonna happen to more than 1 of them. They put him in the police truck to if not kill then torture him for making them chase him. Last I checked our constitution don't make cops Judge Dredd.
first thing we need to do is wait for the verdict from the jury
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Pretty sure that will be the M.E.s report.
if the MEs arent looking ate older injuries they're fucking retards because it could have played a part. grey standing in a van was his own stupidity because he surely knew what was coming since koods tells us this is common practice in baltimore. if these cops are found guilty then I hope they're ass raped with a cement truck
You already know that aint gonna happen to more than 1 of them. They put him in the police truck to if not kill then torture him for making them chase him. Last I checked our constitution don't make cops Judge Dredd.
first thing we need to do is wait for the verdict from the jury
Well I almost shit myself laughing. MOTHER FUCKER IS STILL DEAD RIGHT? Is that verdict gonna make him alive? You pantywaist law and order types disgust me. Oh the law will take care of it. I saw and said nothing and saw and said nothing again then when it was me no one saw anything. Fucking typical. Pris you're better than that.
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: r00tuuu123]
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where was it implied that a verdict would resurrect the dead?
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you're welcome to carry your happy ass up there and brutally murder the cops if that what you feel you need to do. i doubt anyone will stop you
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: qman]
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So would I, but I wouldn't want to be the real life example. I don't think the van driver had any intention of killing a person that day, maybe just a "rough ride".
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: Prisoner#1]
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you're welcome to carry your happy ass up there and brutally murder the cops if that what you feel you need to do. i doubt anyone will stop you
Who said it had to be brutall? I think you need some time to reflect . You're in time out while I go make a snack. BRB.
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Re: Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high-energy injury' [Re: r00tuuu123]
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you're welcome to carry your happy ass up there and brutally murder the cops if that what you feel you need to do. i doubt anyone will stop you
Who said it had to be brutall? I think you need some time to reflect . You're in time out while I go make a snack. BRB.
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if it's not cruel and unusual it's not punishment

Actually that is pretty funny though I doubt the fish would care as long as you feed it change the water and not put it in a paddywagon Driven by a sadistic cat.
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Prisoner#1 said:

Cichlids are brutal little fishies.
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