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Re: anyone know how to electroplate? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21895299 - 07/04/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Zinc oxide is a solid. If you burn zinc, it comes off as a very delicate white fluff that remains almost perfectly suspended in air. Even if you were producing zinc oxide electroplating, it is not a volatile substance so there are no fumes. I doubt you could make any dangerous fumes electroplating with zinc acetate.


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Re: anyone know how to electroplate? [Re: koods]
    #21896878 - 07/04/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

ok so my electrolyte is zinc disolved in vinagar and sugar(brightener).  I switched to a tin anode, and immediately it started foaming, the item i plated appears slightly different, it has some super shiny stuff on it which makes me think the tin actually did transfer to it and its very spikey plating on it compared to previous plates.  its smooth but has like flakes growing out of it that are super shiney.

At the end of the plating which wasn't very long, the anode was covered completely in the foam, which was very milky in appearance.

Im very worried that something might have gone wrong and some toxic fumes or something were created for all this milky foam to have formed


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Re: anyone know how to electroplate? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21897218 - 07/04/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

What voltage are you running this at? Zinc electrodes can be run at a higher voltage than tin without electrolyzing the water. I think those bubbles are oxygen from water. You don't get oxygen bubbles on zinc electrode because the oxygen reacts with the zinc, creating zinc oxide which immediately reacts with the wager to create zinc hydroxide. If you electrolye solution isn't slightly acidic then that zinc hydroxide would be visible as a cloudy substance coming off the electrode.

You can figure out what your potential fumes are based on the electrolyte and water. Your electrolyte is zinc acetate in water. The possible substances you create are zinc metal, acetic acid. Hydrogen and oxygen.

You need to worry about fumes when there is an element in the electrolye that is dangerous when liberated. Chloride to chlorine is to only thing that comes to mind. Obviously some electrolytes are toxic themselves. Zinc is not that bad in terms of metals.


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Re: anyone know how to electroplate? [Re: koods]
    #21897228 - 07/04/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm convinced koods is actually a science teacher. He looks like every science teacher I've ever had.

But I said biology the first time.


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Re: anyone know how to electroplate? [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21897279 - 07/04/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

im running it at 12 volts which is a little higher than some recommendations.  But even when i was using just zinc i was getting quite a few bubbles off the plates i left sitting in the bottom to feed zinc into the electrolyte with nothing connected id see a stream of bubbles comming off. 

but like i said im using tin now for just the anode, so its tin metal, zinc metal, acetic acid, hydrogen, oxygen, and sugar.  but its when these things mix is when the danger comes in, and i have a hard time understanding when that might happen and what might be created.

like chloride to chlorine i mean neither of those were put it was just created.

but these tin bubbles are very different, its like a cloudy milky looking bubbles, some of the bubbles slid off the tin and they are still floating around....the stuff im making are growing pretty big crystles on them


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Re: anyone know how to electroplate? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21897399 - 07/04/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The oxygen bubbles are probably reacting with the tin metal and making some tin hydroxide,

I don't think you can get tin to plate if there are zinc ions present, since the zinc will plate preferentially.

12 volts is way too high for electroplating. Electroplating should be done around the standard potential for that metal. Essentially electroplating is the opposite of using the metals as a battery - is very similar to recharging a battery. Probably no more than 2 volts,


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Re: anyone know how to electroplate? [Re: koods]
    #21897436 - 07/04/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

ive seen plating kits that come with 4.5v, and ive seen people talk about using 6v's, i didn't really see what the harm would be in using 12 volts?  it'll just make things go quicker, with the risk of the plating 'burning' right?  so just discolored plating?

i swear the plating is different with the tin tho, at least the crystles are colored different in places, and i did see one plating website that mentioned using 2 different metals on the anodes at the same time to dual plate

sounds like im making bad toxic fumes again, so ill just take the tin back out


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Re: anyone know how to electroplate? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21897678 - 07/04/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Lower voltages prevent the water from being electrolyzed.


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Re: anyone know how to electroplate? [Re: koods]
    #21897831 - 07/04/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

what does that even mean?  whys it bad if it becomes electrolyzed?

from my little google search as far as i can tell electrolyzed water produces lye???? or bleach?

i guess that would make sense since it seems that it is desolving metals quicker and quicker

here's some photo's, kind of hard to see but the white shit on the tin rod, and then i wipe it off and its black, apparently it was desolving it as it is alot smaller when the black starts so it was indeed reacting and most likely plating.  Which makes sense since there are tin-zinc plating kits out there, somehow it can be done.



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Re: anyone know how to electroplate? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21897844 - 07/04/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

but it also mentioned it being salt water and there is no salt in the water unless there was salt in the vineagar so it shouldn't produce lye or bleach?


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Re: anyone know how to electroplate? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21898409 - 07/04/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

ive had it turned off for hours now and this shit is foaming like a bubble bath, im afraid i created something i can't shut off


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Re: anyone know how to electroplate? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21898827 - 07/04/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You said you have vinegar? That will react with the zinc and produce hydrogen. Elctrolyzing water produces hydrogen at one electrode and oxygen at the other. How would you get lye without any sodium?


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Re: anyone know how to electroplate? [Re: koods]
    #21898835 - 07/04/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think you need to get a book on this topic. You are having a hard time because you don't understand the basic chemistry going on when you do this.


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Re: anyone know how to electroplate? [Re: koods]
    #21898951 - 07/04/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

but koods i thought u were my book :sad:

but i knew the hydrogen part, my point is i wasn't getting this foam before, but since i put the tin in, now i am.

I got bubbles before that went to the surface and dispeared right away, but now i have actual foam forming that first started on the tin Rod Anode, look at my first photo's, see?  no foam

but i took the anode out, took the cathode out, and since then, foam has been forming by itself.  it appears to be forming above the zinc plates that were submerged to feed the solution extra zinc


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Re: anyone know how to electroplate? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21899479 - 07/05/15 01:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

ok so i wanted to check to see if it was hydrogen so i scooped some foam up, took it to another room over a sink and tried to light it, and it wouldn't light, it melted and turned brown/black.....wtf i expected it to either catch fire or pop the bubbles....not to melt.......

my first thought was maybe it started to dissolve the plastic container so i transfered it to a glass jar, which is gunna suck for plating but oh well.  i had a bar i was using and i was plating 4 things at the same time, with a jar im prolly gunna have to plate one thing at a time.

so yah i think the 12v, all the zinc i dissolved, creating so much hydrogen and oxygen just made an environment that dissolves stuff quickly and it started to dissolve the plastic container which created foam bubbles that don't pop because they are plastic bubbles.  which plastic should catch fire but i only held the flame to it long enough to see it turn brown/black....still i guess it should have caught fire pretty easy....but it was also wet so maybe thats why....i dunno so confusing


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