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Offlinebennylava
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I got the thousand yard stare...
    #21846500 - 06/23/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Guys I don't think I have the balls for this. The more I think about it, and the more I read about it, and study up on it, the more fearful I become.



As some of you might have read, this will be my first time. Is it really a good idea to alter your perceptions so much that you begin to see all manner of wacked out craziness? I really do want to do this, but man. Right now it seems almost a bit like death. Who the hell knows what's going to happen to you? Who the hell knows what kind of awful experience you're going to go through? Seeing shit that ain't there?? C'mon man! That don't sound good at all. Especially when it seems absolutely real. I got the thousand yard stare...

When I finally go to do this, I'm going to be fighting back panic. I already know that. But I have to. I agree with Mkenna, everyone should do this. I don't WANT to curl up on the floor in the fetal position! You know what it takes to make a grown man do that, from shit that he's seeing? Do ya?? Well yeah, I guess you do. Right now I'd probably avoid this experience like the plague. And I may have my shrooms for a long time before I finally work up the courage to do this.

I mean lets get down to brass tacks here. I'm going to be forever changed. I will never be the same as I once was. Mkenna says it changes your psyche, meaning it changes YOU. And I've heard people saying you come back different than when you left. I've only ever read that this is for the better, and never the worse, but still. That big of a change is something to be feared! Who the hell wouldn't be afraid of this? If do enough research, you'll find that this has driven mad men sane! WTF??

I need some kind of reassurance here. I'm calling on the community for help.


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Re: I got the thousand yard stare... [Re: bennylava]
    #21846529 - 06/23/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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bennylava said:
Guys I don't think I have the balls for this. The more I think about it, and the more I read about it, and study up on it, the more fearful I become. As some of you might have read this will be my first time.




Is it really a good idea to alter your perceptions so much that you begin to see all manner of wacked out craziness? I really do want to do this, but man. Right now it seems almost a bit like death. Who the hell knows what's going to happen to you? Who the hell knows what kind of awful experience you're going to go through? Seeing shit that ain't there?? C'mon man! That don't sound good at all. Especially when it seems absolutely real. I got the thousand yard stare...

When I finally go to do this, I'm going to be fighting back panic. I already know that. But I have to. I agree with Mkenna, everyone should do this. I don't WANT to curl up on the floor in the fetal position! You know what it takes to make a grown man do that, from shit that he's seeing? Do ya?? Well yeah, I guess you do.




Everything you're seeing now isn't real. It's all in your head.
Everything that appears external is happening in your head. It's there but the way you see it isn't.


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Re: I got the thousand yard stare... [Re: Eggtimer]
    #21846558 - 06/23/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Nope, in my humble opinion i think it is only going too shoe you eho you really are, and cement it into time and space that youve always been you.


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Re: I got the thousand yard stare... [Re: whitelights]
    #21846712 - 06/23/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Take a dose that's low enough that there is no chance you will have a bad trip so you know what the experience will (somewhat) be like. It's not anything like you imagine it to be. If you are doing mushrooms take 2g-2.5g. If you are doing acid, take 1.5 hits. If you are doing DMT...don't (not yet anyway).

Its certainly not a path to travel lightly, but I think you will be pleasantly surprised at the nature of the experience. I have had plenty of difficult trips, but I always come back for more.


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Re: I got the thousand yard stare... [Re: whitelights]
    #21846723 - 06/23/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

unlimited possibilities

I often dwell on that constantly..

that the fabric of reality isn't known, that even the air and the trees and the smells are like artificial plastic filters on top of the true layer of reality.. and we'll never know
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Mind tricks but once you die you either experience bliss for the rest of eternity or sheer terror forever and ever and ever


If you do decide to take the journey just know you will not come back the same.

and the more you dabble the more you'll lose your original identity and you may try to travel backwards and just be stuck even further in the hole...

good luck!


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Re: I got the thousand yard stare... [Re: Deathcore]
    #21846781 - 06/23/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

At a mild to moderate dose you will not lose touch with reality whatsoever. You will see everything as it really is in reality but you will perceive it a bit differently. It will be so profoundly beautiful that it will change the way you think about life, death and nature. You have zero to be afraid of. You will be very glad you did. When it's over you will be like, "Oh, now I see what they were talking about!".


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Re: I got the thousand yard stare... [Re: Ncogneato]
    #21846839 - 06/23/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Cut out the Mckenna and heady stuff, you're changing your mental state, senses blur, cultural myths demystify, it's a good time. Listen to music, have sex, LAUGH.

I have such better experiences with a recreational attitude.


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Re: I got the thousand yard stare... [Re: satch1234]
    #21847071 - 06/23/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

For me, the psychedelic experience is more of a widening of perceptions rather than simply changing them. The stimulation of the drug makes processes in the brain that would never normally interact directly work off of each other exponentially to create a pure, unfiltered perception of reality. You will notice things and make connections that you never could before, and this will give you a new, deeper appreciation of sober reality. Learning so many new things about the world and your own mind will most certainly change you, but for the wiser.

These drugs are powerful tools, and not to be used frivolously, but I feel that they should be respected rather than feared. Genuine hallucinations (those indistinguishable from reality) are rare, and usually the result of high doses or combinations of drugs. Bad trips are quite avoidable by controlling dosage and maintaining a proper set and setting. Just try to keep an open mind and not fight against the experience, any expectations will likely be proven wrong. Remember that everything that's happening to you is a product of your emotions and thoughts, a positive mindset will yield positive results.

Good luck overcoming your fears. We'll be here to help along the way.


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Re: I got the thousand yard stare... [Re: Starless]
    #21847098 - 06/23/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If you don't think you have the balls for it don't do it. The attitude you have right now is going to set the tone of your trip and it seems to me like you are setting yourself up for a bad experience.


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Re: I got the thousand yard stare... [Re: Starless]
    #21847196 - 06/23/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Deathcore said:Mind tricks but once you die you either experience bliss for the rest of eternity or sheer terror forever and ever and ever




See that I don't believe. Reincarnation goes on for one thing, for another thing you'd eventually, after a long enough time, have to find out that there wasn't any real reason to be afraid anymore. How many times can something scare you before it just doesn't anymore? Finally, at long last, after all that terror you would be like "Meh, f*ck off". They could keep doing it right in your face but it wouldn't scare you anymore. Cause it really can't hurt you, that's what you'd come to realize. I mean how could it? If it was going to have to go on forever, it couldn't actually "hurt" you or you'd die or be in pain and not be able to experience it fully. It just makes no sense on many levels. So much that, I don't know where you're getting that idea. Might seem like I should apply this to shrooms but I haven't been through all that. I'm just starting out. Big difference.

Same thing with the bliss really. How long before it became normal, and you finally, at long last, wanted to move on to something else? A new experience, perhaps?



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Starless said:These drugs are powerful tools, and not to be used frivolously, but I feel that they should be respected rather than feared. Genuine hallucinations (those indistinguishable from reality) are rare, and usually the result of high doses or combinations of drugs. Bad trips are quite avoidable by controlling dosage and maintaining a proper set and setting. Just try to keep an open mind and not fight against the experience, any expectations will likely be proven wrong. Remember that everything that's happening to you is a product of your emotions and thoughts, a positive mindset will yield positive results.

Good luck overcoming your fears. We'll be here to help along the way.





But how can that be, when you have everyone saying "I saw this, I saw that" when they were tripping. I mean I guess if you know something isn't really there (at least in the reality that you're used to) then you'd just know. But if you're seeing something, then how can you say that you can distinguish it from reality? Wouldn't it be better said, that even though you can see it, you know its not real? I think the only way to overcome my fears is to have someone else there with me. Doing it alone would most certainly freak me out. I'm still going to be pretty afraid but I think I can man up and just face it. But I just don't know who can be there. I had a sitter lined up but they backed out. I've got lots of friends but I don't feel like having someone laugh at me for a long time or trying to mess with me would end well. I may even become violent if that happened.


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Re: I got the thousand yard stare... [Re: bennylava]
    #21847570 - 06/23/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

OP don't get me wrong it's going to be a profound experience, but your thinking about it to much man. Just take 2.5 grams of shrooms and let the good times roll. If you are having a bad time just log on to the shroomery and we will be here for you bro:raisemyglass:


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Re: I got the thousand yard stare... [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
    #21848987 - 06/24/15 05:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ok, that does help. I often have a tendency to overthink things. With that thought, I can just say "Screw it, I'm over thinking it again", and probably just dive off into it. Cause that's definitely something I do, all too often.


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Re: I got the thousand yard stare... [Re: bennylava] * 1
    #21849307 - 06/24/15 08:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

As with any substance, do not overdose on it. That said of course things like mushrooms you cannot really overdose on it so you die on it but you can definetly take too much so you do stupid things on them.
Learn your doselevel and up the dose gradually, dont be wreckless and think you are badass and swallow 20g dry mushrooms..that is just stupid. With anything that you are ingesting/smoking etc you need to know what you are doing, and if there is very little data..go slow and take smaller dosage and up them gradually.
There is really nothing to be afraid of if you do your research and go slow.

With that said I can safely say that you will be able to take 1g of cubensis without any malfunction of your psyche. Its when you go beyond 4g that you need to make sure you have a perfect set and setting.


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Re: I got the thousand yard stare... [Re: qweqaz]
    #21849412 - 06/24/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You really need to get away from this kind of mentality. As stated above just start low and keep an open mind if you really are hell bent on taking an organism like mushrooms.
The whole point is ridding yourself of preconceived falsehoods regarding a broad number of topics, including yourself. Try and empty your mind of these negative projections, let the good times roll buddy.


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Re: I got the thousand yard stare... [Re: qweqaz]
    #21849415 - 06/24/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What do people generally experience, on 1, to 1.5g? 1 does seem a little low to me. 1.5 seems low too. I do want to get into the mushroom effects, not just the high like cannabis. I've experienced that already, and I'm not all that impressed with it.

So say I do 1.5, and I don't get much effect. Do I just wait until the next night, and try 2.0g?


Edited by bennylava (06/24/15 08:40 AM)


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Re: I got the thousand yard stare... [Re: bennylava]
    #21849519 - 06/24/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Those little nuances in doses can come down purely to the potency of the fruit bodies you have. I have taken 20 fresh grams while picking a tub and had to stop for the night. I have taken 4 grams dry of a different tubs fruit bodies with little to no effects.

2g would be a healthy start. 1.5g certainly wouldn't cause you a lot of grief, but you may only get a tiny taste of magic accompanied with the full anxiety of the come up....like a psychedelic blue balling.

Do Not take them back to back. While it is very possible to do this, the effects and overall quality of the trip will more than likely be diminished. Wait minimally ten days to two weeks for the best results.


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Re: I got the thousand yard stare... [Re: bennylava]
    #21849533 - 06/24/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

My first time was 1.75g and it was perfect and profound and scary and funny and visual and introspective.  A great playlist and a tripping buddy helped a ton. I'm really glad that's they way I went because it turns out I'm really sensitive and I've rarely needed more than 2 to 2.5g to get into very strong trips.

Some people don't feel much from 1.5g, but I do.  If you try it that way and are disappointed, wait at least a week to go again at a higher dose, or you'll be fighting against tolerance from the night before.


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Re: I got the thousand yard stare... [Re: bennylava]
    #21850105 - 06/24/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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bennylava said:
What do people generally experience, on 1, to 1.5g? 1 does seem a little low to me. 1.5 seems low too. I do want to get into the mushroom effects, not just the high like cannabis. I've experienced that already, and I'm not all that impressed with it.

So say I do 1.5, and I don't get much effect. Do I just wait until the next night, and try 2.0g?



Try between 1.5 and 2 this will be enough to forsure feel it and won't be too much, depending on potency of the shrooms you get, 1.5 could be enough or it could not be anything.. Or everything lol


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Re: I got the thousand yard stare... [Re: Eggtimer]
    #21850162 - 06/24/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yo,

I have a family member thats recently jumped aboard the shroom train, 3 times so far (out of maybe 10) hes had a bad trip, one time came really close to calling the ambulance peeps.

But he remembered that shrooms cant kill u, and it will be over soon and he will be fine. He would of called otherwise.

If i have a bad trip i dont get sad and stew on it, i just accept it and ride it out, put a movie on even if im not enjoying myself. Just remember you will be fine and nothing will hurt you.

How much are you planning to take? Are you taking it as tea?


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Re: I got the thousand yard stare... [Re: bennylava]
    #21850212 - 06/24/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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bennylava said:
Quote:

Deathcore said:Mind tricks but once you die you either experience bliss for the rest of eternity or sheer terror forever and ever and ever




See that I don't believe. Reincarnation goes on for one thing, for another thing you'd eventually, after a long enough time, have to find out that there wasn't any real reason to be afraid anymore. How many times can something scare you before it just doesn't anymore? Finally, at long last, after all that terror you would be like "Meh, f*ck off". They could keep doing it right in your face but it wouldn't scare you anymore. Cause it really can't hurt you, that's what you'd come to realize. I mean how could it? If it was going to have to go on forever, it couldn't actually "hurt" you or you'd die or be in pain and not be able to experience it fully. It just makes no sense on many levels. So much that, I don't know where you're getting that idea. Might seem like I should apply this to shrooms but I haven't been through all that. I'm just starting out. Big difference.

Same thing with the bliss really. How long before it became normal, and you finally, at long last, wanted to move on to something else? A new experience, perhaps?



Quote:

Starless said:These drugs are powerful tools, and not to be used frivolously, but I feel that they should be respected rather than feared. Genuine hallucinations (those indistinguishable from reality) are rare, and usually the result of high doses or combinations of drugs. Bad trips are quite avoidable by controlling dosage and maintaining a proper set and setting. Just try to keep an open mind and not fight against the experience, any expectations will likely be proven wrong. Remember that everything that's happening to you is a product of your emotions and thoughts, a positive mindset will yield positive results.

Good luck overcoming your fears. We'll be here to help along the way.





But how can that be, when you have everyone saying "I saw this, I saw that" when they were tripping. I mean I guess if you know something isn't really there (at least in the reality that you're used to) then you'd just know. But if you're seeing something, then how can you say that you can distinguish it from reality? Wouldn't it be better said, that even though you can see it, you know its not real? I think the only way to overcome my fears is to have someone else there with me. Doing it alone would most certainly freak me out. I'm still going to be pretty afraid but I think I can man up and just face it. But I just don't know who can be there. I had a sitter lined up but they backed out. I've got lots of friends but I don't feel like having someone laugh at me for a long time or trying to mess with me would end well. I may even become violent if that happened.




People fear the unknown, its very common for people to be scared of anything that is outside their comfort zone. Like you said when you keep hearing things like " if you take acid you could end up thinking youre a glass of orange juice forever", and everyone keeps repeating it to you because they heard it from 10 people so to them it must be true, you believe it too.

I wish people would stop talking about drugs they have never had/have absolutely no idea what they are going on about. Everytime i hear something
that sounds a bit fishy or like the person saying it isnt very sure, i google it. That way everyone listening learns something, and next time they hear
someone say the same thing, theyll be able to say no, this is how it is.

Quote:

bennylava said:
What do people generally experience, on 1, to 1.5g? 1 does seem a little low to me. 1.5 seems low too. I do want to get into the mushroom effects, not just the high like cannabis. I've experienced that already, and I'm not all that impressed with it.

So say I do 1.5, and I don't get much effect. Do I just wait until the next night, and try 2.0g?




Give it a couple of days between doses or it wont do much to you the second time. Go for 2g imo.


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