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Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives?
#21846076 - 06/23/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I love kratom, but i am unsure about the risks of using it everyday even if it's from a good vendor. I used to wake and bake but that makes me too groggy and tired early on.
Perhaps kratom tea has some health benefits? Maybe even a healthier alternative than coffee, assuming I'm making tea out of it... I also have chaga tea, which I may end up sticking to that, but i cant do both and overload my system with antioxidants. Plus chaga doesn't give me that awesome euphoric boost that kratom does.
Bottom line: is it safe/healthy to have a cup of kratom tea every morning instead of coffee? Perhaps even healthier?
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Heisencybin]
#21846079 - 06/23/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Healthy doesn't apply to drug use, sorry.
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Beanhead] 2
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Yerba Mate.
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Quote:
Dr. Siekadellyk said: Yerba Mate.
a thousand times this.
it's really good for you, you're teeth, and has way more health benefits than coffee.
drink it. now.
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Beanhead] 2
#21846132 - 06/23/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kratom is filled with anti-oxidants so I would go for full leaf and avoid extracts
Also, relying on any chemical to wake up in the morning is asking for dependance issues later in life. Stick to healthy habits. A clean diet, 8 hours of sleep, early nights, and meditation/low stress are all key. Excercise helps but going for a simple walk is more than enough. Healthy lifestyle generally helps all aspects of life and stops you from relying on stims for functioning
Also; if you dont like coffee, tea is a good alternative. Less stimmy and much smoother energy Daily kratom should be avoided generally. I think every other day would work fine
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
#21846140 - 06/23/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doesn't it have caffeine in it? And what about chaga tea? I've heard amazing things about that?
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Beanhead]
#21846143 - 06/23/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Indeed "healthy" is a controversial term. Keeping that in mind, caffeine is more addictive than alkaloids in Kratom are. Daily Kratom consumption is not well studied, but Kratom is addicting as well and has negative health effects among addicts.
That being said, Kratom is never going to replace a cup of coffee in the morning. Even the more stimulating strains are not comparable to caffeine.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/ist/?next=/science-nature/this-is-how-your-brain-becomes-addicted-to-caffeine-26861037/
http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/drug-profiles/kratom#pharmacology
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Heisencybin]
#21846149 - 06/23/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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And what are your thoughts on green tea?
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Heisencybin] 1
#21846151 - 06/23/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yerba Mate or Chicory... or you know... tea.
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Heisencybin]
#21846169 - 06/23/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Heisencybin said: And what are your thoughts on green tea?
much better than coffee. After switching to tea I have much better energy and im less stressed and jittery
A couple days of the week I take 100mg caffiene gum with 50-100mg of theanine. It works quite well
Theanine and caffiene are both present in tea so its a smoother buzz compared to caffiene. And less habit forming
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: topdog82]
#21846180 - 06/23/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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So, you have coffee alternatives then..
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: topdog82]
#21846183 - 06/23/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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try stretching every morning that's a great wake up and when the blood starts flowing there is a sense of euphoria from that alone.
im being hypocritical thought i usually need some drug to wake up whether it be caffeine nicotine or weed. even sometimes salvia.
stretching is the healthiest option i haven't done it in a while though.
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I stretch, I exercise, I eat mostly well. But my vice is smoking weed. Albeit, I do use my volcano and wish to purchase a vape pen someday. Anyways, i like the ritual of having a warm cup of drunk after breakfast. Hell, for a little while it was hot cocoa or apple cider lol.
Green tea scares me because I use decaf since caffeine messes with me and I'm unsure about fluoride levels especially when using everyday. Kratom feels perfect, but there isn't much research and I do notice some withdrawal if used daily.
I think it'd be nice to switch it up e eryday... maybe green tea one day, hot chocolate the next, juice the nezt, and chaga for most days since I believe chaga has the most benefits. I'm also concerned if it's possible to overdo chaga?
Anyways, thanks for all your support guys. It's threads like these that make us more aware and healthier
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Heisencybin]
#21846434 - 06/23/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I prefer kratom for energy and work over caffeine any day
Caffiene is a shitty stimulant imo
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Heisencybin]
#21846439 - 06/23/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cocaine.
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: SunnyD]
#21846441 - 06/23/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't get any energizing effects from kratom though.
if anything I feel a slight buzz similar to a few beers.
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: SunnyD]
#21846443 - 06/23/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i ate Kratom for a week or 2 straight and when i stopped i became depressed
i read that it could happen and was trying to fight the feeling but somehow i started feeling lower and lower without realizing that it was likely from stopping my Kratom use.
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
#21846458 - 06/23/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am a daily kratom user and the energy I get from it surpasses the energy I get from my concerta prescription and coffee by miles.
This white vein stuff I have gives me a mini tweak for a few hours. I love it.
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21846485 - 06/23/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I guess I haven't tried the pure white vine yet.
I have it mixed with a green.
maybe ill give it a go sometime
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21846495 - 06/23/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: I am a daily kratom user and the energy I get from it surpasses the energy I get from my concerta prescription and coffee by miles.
This white vein stuff I have gives me a mini tweak for a few hours. I love it.

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Trichome_Delta9 said: i ate Kratom for a week or 2 straight and when i stopped i became depressed
i read that it could happen and was trying to fight the feeling but somehow i started feeling lower and lower without realizing that it was likely from stopping my Kratom use.
There is WD to it, I know exactly what your talking about
I did it for months daily and when I stopped I felt like I had the flu
I could barely walk without just wanting to sit down and eat more powder
Just don't go overboard
And everyones different, Kratom gives me energy or sedatating depending on dose
Sorry if my typing is nuts, Ac at my job is broke and really took a toll on me today
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: SunnyD]
#21846525 - 06/23/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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AddyZomeD said:
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Trichome_Delta9 said: i ate Kratom for a week or 2 straight and when i stopped i became depressed
i read that it could happen and was trying to fight the feeling but somehow i started feeling lower and lower without realizing that it was likely from stopping my Kratom use.
There is WD to it, I know exactly what your talking about
I did it for months daily and when I stopped I felt like I had the flu
I could barely walk without just wanting to sit down and eat more powder
Just don't go overboard
And everyones different, Kratom gives me energy or sedatating depending on dose
Sorry if my typing is nuts, Ac at my job is broke and really took a toll on me today
this
Use responsiblly and you should be fine. I have used for about 2 years. I never do 3 days in a row, and I always make sure to take breaks. That is really what is important here
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: SunnyD]
#21846526 - 06/23/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i only ever used the stimulant dose which is less than the sedative once. after that i only used sedative dose which had me in paralysis for a few hours.
now i would only use it 1 or 2 days a week if i had some...
also the tolerance grew very fast with me.
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: SunnyD]
#21846544 - 06/23/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kratom has withdrawals and they are a pain in the ass but as stupid as this sounds you never have to deal with them if you use it every day and don't go overboard with it.
Think of someone who drinks coffee. It benefits them and they need it every day and without it they would go into withdrawal. With kratom you just do it every day and try to keep your doses low and when you decide to stop just ween yourself off and there is no discomfort and lots of benefit.
I think the white veins are some of the best for school and studying and physical labor. Not only is white vein kratom and kratom in general a powerful nootropic, but it by far surpasses the traditional nootropics like piracetam and noopept.
Like I said, try a good white vein strain of kratom and try a pretty low dose and you should be moving around and ready to cook and clean and study and do anything for a few hours it is a great social enhancer and still has that opiate warmth of the reds just as much IMO.
Oh and just so you guys understand my daily usage here is what I do: five grams upon waking, three grams in the evening, my max I set for myself is ten grams for the total of the day but I never go above eight. I have done kratom for years and had breaks here and there but always go back cause I am better on it and my tolerance has never risen for some time. Guys on the kratom coinesseur forum have been doing it daily for twenty years and still love it.
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21846559 - 06/23/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i only ever got my hands on maeng da. and would dose 5-10 grams.
i am interested in experimenting with other strains of Kratom when i get the chance.
i read that maeng da is more sedative which is nice but i would like to know about some strains for energy because i will be doing landscaping soon and wouldn't mind a supplement to boost me ability.
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I love the red thai. But yeah, just knowing I am physically dependent on it scares me. I only take 8-12 grams a day. Bu yeah I'll have to ween myself off. I just don't like being dependent on any substance daily. Except maybe weed. Eventually I'd like to be a weekend smoker only too. Daily use of any drug can be bad
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Heisencybin]
#21846735 - 06/23/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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kratom = addiction
so does coffee but its not as bad.
Also coffee has ALOT of health benifits
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: kakashi68]
#21846742 - 06/23/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Also coffee has ALOT of health benifits
not as good as tea though
http://www.lifehack.org/articles/lifestyle/10-benefits-drinking-tea-over-coffee.html
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
#21846776 - 06/23/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I rather have tea Coffe makes me shit my brains out And caffeine tweaks me out with little rush of energy, no euphoria and just makes me feel bad
I almost eat green tea daily too  Get it?
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
#21846805 - 06/23/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mr.PhilCybin said:
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kakashi68 said:
Also coffee has ALOT of health benifits
not as good as tea though
http://www.lifehack.org/articles/lifestyle/10-benefits-drinking-tea-over-coffee.html
I cant stand the taste of tea... just tastes like leafy water(even with milk). Coffee has depth and a much better flavour + caffeine if you need i strong.
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: kakashi68]
#21846927 - 06/23/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I went through a tea phase and think it sucks now. It tastes like cheap piss and coffee has so much better of a taste to me.
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Heisencybin]
#21846969 - 06/23/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Find a good tea. I like a good earl grey with lots of sugar. Or even better kratom.
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Heisencybin]
#21847045 - 06/23/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Haven't you asked this many times before? They really don't equal each other at all. Coffee is a mild stimulant and kratom is basically an opiate. The little rush you get from kratom is just dopamine rush not a true adenosine transmitter type response from coffee. Drinking a cup of kratom every morning will get you addicted to it and that is far worse to get off then coffee. No matter how much anyone here tries to say you won't, they are all clearly addicted to kratom and tend to ignore that fact. I have no idea why?
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Gorlax]
#21847052 - 06/23/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Gorlax said: Haven't you asked this many times before? They really don't equal each other at all. Coffee is a mild stimulant and kratom is basically an opiate. The little rush you get from kratom is just dopamine rush not a true adenosine transmitter type response from coffee. Drinking a cup of kratom every morning will get you addicted to it and that is far worse to get off then coffee. No matter how much anyone here tries to say you won't, they are all clearly addicted to kratom and tend to ignore that fact. I have no idea why?
More like mildly dependent and that's dosing 2-3x a day
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Heisencybin]
#21847306 - 06/23/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Heisencybin said: I love kratom, but i am unsure about the risks of using it everyday even if it's from a good vendor. I used to wake and bake but that makes me too groggy and tired early on.
Perhaps kratom tea has some health benefits? Maybe even a healthier alternative than coffee, assuming I'm making tea out of it... I also have chaga tea, which I may end up sticking to that, but i cant do both and overload my system with antioxidants. Plus chaga doesn't give me that awesome euphoric boost that kratom does.
Bottom line: is it safe/healthy to have a cup of kratom tea every morning instead of coffee? Perhaps even healthier?
Methamphetamine is a viable alternative.
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: TNK]
#21847322 - 06/23/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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TheNatureKid said:
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Heisencybin said: I love kratom, but i am unsure about the risks of using it everyday even if it's from a good vendor. I used to wake and bake but that makes me too groggy and tired early on.
Perhaps kratom tea has some health benefits? Maybe even a healthier alternative than coffee, assuming I'm making tea out of it... I also have chaga tea, which I may end up sticking to that, but i cant do both and overload my system with antioxidants. Plus chaga doesn't give me that awesome euphoric boost that kratom does.
Bottom line: is it safe/healthy to have a cup of kratom tea every morning instead of coffee? Perhaps even healthier?
Methamphetamine is a viable alternative.
Way too stimulating and long lasting. I've successfully tapered off kratom doing coke and H speedballs
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: luvdemboomers]
#21847383 - 06/23/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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TheNatureKid said:
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Heisencybin said: I love kratom, but i am unsure about the risks of using it everyday even if it's from a good vendor. I used to wake and bake but that makes me too groggy and tired early on.
Perhaps kratom tea has some health benefits? Maybe even a healthier alternative than coffee, assuming I'm making tea out of it... I also have chaga tea, which I may end up sticking to that, but i cant do both and overload my system with antioxidants. Plus chaga doesn't give me that awesome euphoric boost that kratom does.
Bottom line: is it safe/healthy to have a cup of kratom tea every morning instead of coffee? Perhaps even healthier?
Methamphetamine is a viable alternative.
Way too stimulating and long lasting. I've successfully tapered off kratom doing coke and H speedballs
You can dose small, I highly doubt, for me atleast, that H and Coke would be more effective than meth.
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: TNK]
#21847415 - 06/23/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Worse advice ever. Not even a thought on chaga tea?
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
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Dr. Siekadellyk said: Yerba Mate.
a thousand times this.
it's really good for you, you're teeth, and has way more health benefits than coffee.
drink it. now.
um... sure, cancer is super fucking healthy
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The consumption of hot mate tea is associated with oral cancer[29] esophageal cancer,[30] cancer of the larynx,[30] and squamous cell cancers of the head and neck.[31][32] Studies show a correlation between tea temperature and likelihood of cancer, making it unclear how much of a role mate itself plays as a carcinogen.[30]
the helath benefits are only speculation as there have been no real studies done
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21847447 - 06/23/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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didnt read any of the posts but yerba mate.
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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um... sure, cancer is super fucking healthy
the helath benefits are only speculation as there have been no real studies done
the cancer study was debunked after they found a correlation between those who drank it at really high temps, and throat cancer.
it had nothing to do with mate.
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: TNK]
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TheNatureKid said: Methamphetamine is a viable alternative.
it will put a little pep in your step
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
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Prisoner#1 said:
um... sure, cancer is super fucking healthy
the helath benefits are only speculation as there have been no real studies done
the cancer study was debunked after they found a correlation between those who drank it at really high temps, and throat cancer.
it had nothing to do with mate.
the same way that the anti-GMO crowd debunks the thousands of studies on GMOs?
or is it the same way that people are claiming yerbamate to be super healthy
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19695149
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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everybody's got a side.
yup, pretty much.
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21847526 - 06/23/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Who cares about cancer. I'm sure all the metal dust and concrete dust I've inhaled should make me super human .
Life is to short to care all to much about it what or who is going to kill you.
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
#21847527 - 06/23/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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My reasoning is if you can't handle caffeine you won't be able to handle anything mentioned in this thread.
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Gorlax]
#21847610 - 06/23/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Gorlax said: My reasoning is if you can't handle caffeine you won't be able to handle anything mentioned in this thread.
I agree. Which us why I'm more curious about chaga and or reishi tea? Full of antioxidants etc. I'm not necessarily looking for an energy replacement for kratom. But rather ideas for a healthier alternative daily tea. I haven't heard much about yerbe mate so I may look into that
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Heisencybin]
#21847625 - 06/23/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If its just coffee your wanting to quit but aren't opposed to caffeine then teas can be good alternatives. Most black teas (English breakfast, Earl Grey etc) have caffeine levels not much lower than coffee. If you want something more gentle then green tea as a good alternative. It has a little caffeine but not nearly as much as coffee or other teas.
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Yerba mate causes higher rates of cancer and is just a bad idea to be using more then maybe once a month. If you like the drink that much to risk getting cancer you might as well just pick up smoking.
Green tea is alright but the caffeine content is tiny so you have to drink like a jug of that bitter piss to even get any pep in your step. A nice coffee tastes just so much better then tea and gets the job done.
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21849048 - 06/24/15 05:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok. I guess I'll do my own research on chaga tea. Probably start drinking that daily instead
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Heisencybin]
#21849593 - 06/24/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ulfrick said: If its just coffee your wanting to quit but aren't opposed to caffeine then teas can be good alternatives. Most black teas (English breakfast, Earl Grey etc) have caffeine levels not much lower than coffee. If you want something more gentle then green tea as a good alternative. It has a little caffeine but not nearly as much as coffee or other teas.
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Bitter Cactus said: Yerba mate causes higher rates of cancer and is just a bad idea to be using more then maybe once a month. If you like the drink that much to risk getting cancer you might as well just pick up smoking.
Green tea is alright but the caffeine content is tiny so you have to drink like a jug of that bitter piss to even get any pep in your step. A nice coffee tastes just so much better then tea and gets the job done.
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Heisencybin said: Ok. I guess I'll do my own research on chaga tea. Probably start drinking that daily instead
Chaga is really just a anti-oxidant boost I think. I don't think it would make a huge difference in terms of short term energy boost. Probably just a nice thing to have on hand
I just tried the following this morning; 100mg caffiene pill and 100mg theanine. I feel a clean buzz going. Like I said, REALLY try it out
You could also try a sample of trubrain's products out. In case you are not familiar with nootropics it is a group of chemicals found to be non-toxic and completely safe that aid the function of your brain and energy levels. Caffiene is a good example but it is a lower quality nootropic
and People say that tea doesn't pack a punch. But it most definately does. Try green and matcha teas. Also black tea and breakfast tea variant most definately pack a punch
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Heisencybin]
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: topdog82] 1
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It is worth noting the correlation between yerba mate and cancer was found in areas where fire cured mate is by far the most popular. As far as I know the only carcinogens found in mate are polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon, which are produced during the smoking process, and also found tobacco smoke. I assume any cancer risk would be greatly reduced with plain yerba mate.
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: yob]
#21849722 - 06/24/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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yob said: It is worth noting the correlation between yerba mate and cancer was found in areas where fire cured mate is by far the most popular. As far as I know the only carcinogens found in mate are polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon, which are produced during the smoking process, and also found tobacco smoke. I assume any cancer risk would be greatly reduced with plain yerba mate.
what it really comes down to is that there are very few studies done on yerba mate and there's a potential health risk, we can speculate all we want on what ever but it's worth noting that the risk is there
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: M0difinil
I have tried modafinil. It def is not an everyday thing. It drains me and it feels very "artificial". Ie piracetam, green tea, healthy lifestyle etc. are much safer, carry less risk in the short-term and long term. I would advise you to look at this video:
The idea here is that you cannot get such dramatic benefits with no side effects
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: topdog82]
#21850195 - 06/24/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Get an ADD prescription like I did it's easy to fake but I have legit ADD.
Piracetam and noopept are garbage the most they do is placebo. Also nicotine is a legit nootropic.
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Heisencybin]
#21850550 - 06/24/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Iced fuckin' chai fuckin' tea mother fuckers
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Ohhhhh I like me some Chai tea. But this is mostly like a daily tincture/tea I know is doing well for my body.
Final comparison.... chaga tea daily or green tea daily after breakfast??? Caffeine free. Shit makes me jittery
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Heisencybin]
#21851014 - 06/24/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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or try caffeine powder. Straight up the nose. You can get like grams of it for dollars
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: kakashi68]
#21851031 - 06/24/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dude read any of my posts. I want something without caffeine. I am curious if anyone has tried chaga or reishi tea or mixed and hiw they like it. Or I might get back into green tea since it doesn't have too much caffeine...
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Heisencybin]
#21851152 - 06/24/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Your options are caffeine, kratom, nicotine or an ADD prescription and that is pretty much it. Those hippy plants will not give you any energy.
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: topdog82]
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Bitter Cactus said: I am a daily kratom user and the energy I get from it surpasses the energy I get from my concerta prescription and coffee by miles.
This white vein stuff I have gives me a mini tweak for a few hours. I love it.
 

same here.....and coffee gets me rather scatter brained if i drink just a wee bit too much , while kratom provides me with a much more "usable" stimulation/focus/energy and massive amounts of stamina unlike any other herb/drug.....all the while it's a very natural and benevolent buzz and i don't feel loaded or on one .
kratom is also loaded with anti-oxidants, keeps my blood sugar balanced, has all sorts of anti-cancer benefits, boosts the immune system.....if used in moderation and not abused or used solely as something to catch a buzz this leaf has lots to offer our bodies.
Didn't read the whole thread, but here's my 2 cents.....To the OP.....mucuna pruriens taken with green tea is a magnificent alternative to coffee. Took some today for the first time in a long while, and I'm zingin !!!
Mucuna pruriens contains a wide variety of nutrients & neurotransmitters, strengthening the body & mind while tonifying the adrenal & endorphin systems. Replenishes neurotransmitters. Mucuna contains a high amount of L-Dopa (some samples showing over 8%), serotonin (5-HT), 5-HTP, nicotine, beta-carboline, and tryptamine alkaloids.
Last year I was on a regimen of taking mucuna just about every other day, with a longer break between every other week or so, for a few months. The first few times I used it I noticed quite a pronounced lift in mood, clarity of mind, some energy & motivation. It reminded me of a light dose of adderall, of course no where on the level of an amp but it did have that dopaminergic drive & feel about it.
Considering the high concentration of L-dopa in mucuna I don't think it's a good idea to take every day, or regularly for any long stretch of time. It is best to take mucuna on an empty stomach and with green tea or green tea extract, which contains EGCG (an inhibitor of dopa decarboxylase)....With out taking something like the EGCG with mucuna the L-dopa is converted to dopamine outside of the brain, so higher concentrations of dopamine are in the blood and one doesn't reap the full potential of what mucuna has to offer.
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: openmind]
#21851633 - 06/24/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Once again. Not looking for energy drinks. Just a healthy alternative to drink after breakfast. Like Chai tea or something. But i hear great things about herbal teas such as green tea, chaga, and reishi teas... any experiences with those? Fuck anything with caffeine unless it's green tea
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Heisencybin]
#21851861 - 06/24/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Not a fan of coffee. Alternatives? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21854298 - 06/25/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: Get an ADD prescription like I did it's easy to fake but I have legit ADD.
Piracetam and noopept are garbage the most they do is placebo. Also nicotine is a legit nootropic.
Lol BC what basis do you have for this opinion? ALL studies done on these two nootropics have been quite legit
And ADD prescriptions are a stimulant that cannot be sustained long term
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