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kr0nik0 said: I don't think there's anything wrong with drinking the night before working.
As long as you can get your shit straight by morning and not come in smelling like alcohol.
Chew gum or have a breath mint, as long as he's sober and can do the job he shouldn't be discriminated against for drinking on his off hours.
that's the whole thing I'm stone cold sober. I don't drink at work or before. I would never do that the company pays my rent and is letting me live a better life from what I had. But I probably do have it soaking out of my pours I am an alcoholic. I know this i've dealt with addiction for a long time and beat one of them. But ya know. Not very hard to walk a quarter mile to buy a beer. I think i'll take home boys advice. Just drink hard alcohol I guess. 
You might want to consider legal action against the company for unfair disciplinary actions, sending a sober person home on the basis that you are intoxicated is a very serious employer infraction.
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Fuck that's a dead end road buddy.
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kr0nik0 said: I don't think there's anything wrong with drinking the night before working.
As long as you can get your shit straight by morning and not come in smelling like alcohol.
Chew gum or have a breath mint, as long as he's sober and can do the job he shouldn't be discriminated against for drinking on his off hours.
Usually I'd agree with you on that, but if you smell like booze, especially if you work in something like a restaurant, you can be a potential risk.
If you even slightly have alcohol in your system and end up hurting a customer or another emplyee, they can turn around and sue the company for a number of things.
The company is liable for their employees, if he is drunk/potentially drunk and stinks like booze, he's a liability and they have eve ry right to tell him to leave or fire him.
Otherwise it's none of their business what he does in his spare time, but if his spare time is somehow effecting the time they're paying him for, they should do something about it and should have the right to.
If he walks by a table with kids and wreaks like booze, parents probably won't be to happy. There's just so many reasons how it effects his workplace too.
I worked in restaurants for 8 years. You know how many of them are doing drugs just to get through a single day of dealing with assholes? All of us. Well maybe not all but i'd say 90%. Why I really like my job now I don't have to deal with anybody. I dunno how I even got caught up. I didn't brush my fucking teeth and made the mistake of talking to the manager. When normally all I say to them is my name and they throw me my paycheck on payday. That was my mistake.
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kr0nik0 said: I don't think there's anything wrong with drinking the night before working.
As long as you can get your shit straight by morning and not come in smelling like alcohol.
Chew gum or have a breath mint, as long as he's sober and can do the job he shouldn't be discriminated against for drinking on his off hours.
Usually I'd agree with you on that, but if you smell like booze, especially if you work in something like a restaurant, you can be a potential risk.
If you even slightly have alcohol in your system and end up hurting a customer or another emplyee, they can turn around and sue the company for a number of things.
The company is liable for their employees, if he is drunk/potentially drunk and stinks like booze, he's a liability and they have eve ry right to tell him to leave or fire him.
Otherwise it's none of their business what he does in his spare time, but if his spare time is somehow effecting the time they're paying him for, they should do something about it and should have the right to.
If he walks by a table with kids and wreaks like booze, parents probably won't be to happy. There's just so many reasons how it effects his workplace too. Especially if you're representing their company.
This dude works with crabs, he should be able to smell like a unflushed toilet bowel at work.
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Re: Alcoholism [Re: qman]
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He can only claim he was sober, if his boss and even one other person says he wreaked...he has no ground to stand on, especially since it takes less then 24 hours for alcohol to metabolize and he can't prove it now, even if they did, he said he's an alcoholic so it would come up positive.
He doesnt seem to be ashamed to be an alcoholic so I doubt it's a secret either. You're right that he should, but his employers wouldn't be at fault if they canned him for it and could easily get away with it. Just offering my 2 cents though OP...if your bosses are cool with it and you're not drunk at work then go nuts, but I'd still recommend cutting back.
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TheGreenArrow said: Go to a meeting dude. If you have a desire to quit you could at least have a healthier place to unload than a bar. I think just admitting to yourself that your problem is bigger than you can handle seems to be the hardest part about being an alcoholic for me personally. Granted I've never gotten the shakes, I've never been sent home from a job, and I for the most part held my shit together and never got into a tussle with tolerance. None of that changes the fact that I have next to NO self control once I started drinking. Furthermore I fucking love the taste of a nice Gin highball, and there's probably not a day that wanders by that it doesn't cross my minds eye. At the same time I know the repercussions of such an act now and I'm too old to keep making the same mistakes over and over.
I second this.
I don't agree with AA or NA on much at all. The only part I really agree with is that there is major therapeutic value in sharing with people who have similar problems.
I was drinking at least twenty beers a night or about 1/2-2/3rds of a handle if it was hard booze. I drank perpetually: before work, during, after, wake up in the middle of the night. All the fucking time. I dried out four a good four months and attended meetings just for something to do. I continued attending meetings for a good three months after that while drinking on occasion and moderately in only appropriate social setting.
The HARDEST part was changing my habits so that not all of my activities revolved around getting fucked up. Yes, meeting kinda suck and the disease theory of addiction is tenuous at best, but they do give you something to do that is cathartic and is not continuing the routine of getting sloshed.
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Re: Alcoholism [Re: qman]
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kr0nik0 said: I don't think there's anything wrong with drinking the night before working.
As long as you can get your shit straight by morning and not come in smelling like alcohol.
Chew gum or have a breath mint, as long as he's sober and can do the job he shouldn't be discriminated against for drinking on his off hours.
Usually I'd agree with you on that, but if you smell like booze, especially if you work in something like a restaurant, you can be a potential risk.
If you even slightly have alcohol in your system and end up hurting a customer or another emplyee, they can turn around and sue the company for a number of things.
The company is liable for their employees, if he is drunk/potentially drunk and stinks like booze, he's a liability and they have eve ry right to tell him to leave or fire him.
Otherwise it's none of their business what he does in his spare time, but if his spare time is somehow effecting the time they're paying him for, they should do something about it and should have the right to.
If he walks by a table with kids and wreaks like booze, parents probably won't be to happy. There's just so many reasons how it effects his workplace too. Especially if you're representing their company.
This dude works with crabs, he should be able to smell like a unflushed toilet bowel at work.
You would fucking think so. 
Nah I'll never go to a meeting. Ever. I don't need someone that learned addiction through a text book to tell me what I need to do. I've been managing it for a long time now. I'm 2 years clean of heroin. Never really even smoke pot any more kind of just grew out of it. I've tapered and cleaned up so many times and i'm only 24.
If you've never been curled into a ball wishing you were dead bleeding sweat I don't want to hear it.
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Nah I don't shower at all. On weekends I do but not before work. I just come out of there reaking like crab.
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Re: Alcoholism [Re: DrMambo]
#21846165 - 06/23/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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TheGreenArrow said: Go to a meeting dude. If you have a desire to quit you could at least have a healthier place to unload than a bar. I think just admitting to yourself that your problem is bigger than you can handle seems to be the hardest part about being an alcoholic for me personally. Granted I've never gotten the shakes, I've never been sent home from a job, and I for the most part held my shit together and never got into a tussle with tolerance. None of that changes the fact that I have next to NO self control once I started drinking. Furthermore I fucking love the taste of a nice Gin highball, and there's probably not a day that wanders by that it doesn't cross my minds eye. At the same time I know the repercussions of such an act now and I'm too old to keep making the same mistakes over and over.
I second this.
I don't agree with AA or NA on much at all. The only part I really agree with is that there is major therapeutic value in sharing with people who have similar problems.
I was drinking at least twenty beers a night or about 1/2-2/3rds of a handle if it was hard booze. I drank perpetually: before work, during, after, wake up in the middle of the night. All the fucking time. I dried out four a good four months and attended meetings just for something to do. I continued attending meetings for a good three months after that while drinking on occasion and moderately in only appropriate social setting.
The HARDEST part was changing my habits so that not all of my activities revolved around getting fucked up. Yes, meeting kinda suck and the disease theory of addiction is tenuous at best, but they do give you something to do that is cathartic and is not continuing the routine of getting sloshed.
I know exactly what your saying. I'll look into it. I dunno if I'll have time.
I find when I'm spending time with a pretty girl I don't drink at all. I drink because I've been lonely I left my home 2 years ago. But I'm doing pretty ok for myself now, I work full time, I got a room for rent, I feel really satisfied from where I came from. 2 years clean from heroin. Got some pretty girls i'm running through my place and a lot of friends. Well acquentiances but still. It's when I'm alone is when I just want to drink. It's complicated.
This girl the other day asked me why are you so shaky? I made some shit up but the real reason is I don't want to drink so much anymore but I'm withdrawing.
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Re: Alcoholism [Re: Enjoywho] 1
#21846178 - 06/23/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's super sad at this is your outlook. In fact the reason I go to AA meeting lies with the fact that every person there is an alcoholic. It's not some sober asshat trying to explain to me how easy it is to get clean. It's the guy who's lost his job, family, friends and ambitions telling me it's possible to stop if I need to that keeps me going.
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Drinking hard liquor wont lessen the smell. It's not on you it's in you.I got called out at work plenty of times from coworkers and that was from the night before drinking hard liquor. Mints wont do shit because your lungs soak up the alcohol and you just smell like you've been gargling purell. The shakes and feeling like your going to die is the worst, and the only fix is a drink. I've been there before but my escape was detoxing in the hospital from a seizure. To do it alone while working is gonna take some planning out.
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I know exactly what your saying. I'll look into it. I dunno if I'll have time.
I find when I'm spending time with a pretty girl I don't drink at all. I drink because I've been lonely I left my home 2 years ago. But I'm doing pretty ok for myself now, I work full time, I got a room for rent, I feel really satisfied from where I came from. 2 years clean from heroin. Got some pretty girls i'm running through my place and a lot of friends. Well acquentiances but still. It's when I'm alone is when I just want to drink. It's complicated.
This girl the other day asked me why are you so shaky? I made some shit up but the real reason is I don't want to drink so much anymore but I'm withdrawing.
Yeah, dude, booze wd's suck. I came off combination of booze and massive amounts of benzo/thienos and it resulted in a fucking seizure.
The worst fucking part was the hallucinations. Just extreme paranoia and auditory hallucinations that, at the time, I thought were actual conversations going on about me berating me almost constantly in any rooms where there'd be a mixture of voices rising above each other. Absolutely horrid and terrifying.
In retrospect, all those awful thoughts were really me calling myself out.
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Astral Pain said: Drinking hard liquor wont lessen the smell. It's not on you it's in you.I got called out at work plenty of times from coworkers and that was from the night before drinking hard liquor. Mints wont do shit because your lungs soak up the alcohol and you just smell like you've been gargling purell. The shakes and feeling like your going to die is the worst, and the only fix is a drink. I've been there before but my escape was detoxing in the hospital from a seizure. To do it alone while working is gonna take some planning out.
Well the story he told as a seasoned he alcoholic he had a tub of toothpaste in his bag.
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Re: Alcoholism [Re: DrMambo]
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There's no hiding it and you gotta start thinking of an end game. If you kicked heroin you have some experience, and plus you're still young and a seizure might be less likely from WDs.
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There is no end game. Do you think I drink because I like it? Or do any drugs? No I grew up with some hard shit. Drugs are fun and all but there numbing. Which I know why 99% of the people do them here.
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Re: Alcoholism [Re: Konyap]
#21846262 - 06/23/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That and eat lots of garlic So when you go to work no one wants to be within 10 feet of you. even if you drink too much the night before. Btw OP what do you do shuck crabs?
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Re: Alcoholism [Re: Enjoywho] 1
#21846294 - 06/23/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nah I'll never go to a meeting. Ever. I don't need someone that learned addiction through a text book to tell me what I need to do. I've been managing it for a long time now. I'm 2 years clean of heroin. Never really even smoke pot any more kind of just grew out of it. I've tapered and cleaned up so many times and i'm only 24.
...lol...sounds like your way is working out just fucking great. People in AA didn't learn addiction from a textbook....they learned it like you...the hard way. You don't have to do any stepwork if you don't want to...like someone else said, Just being around others that don't want to drink helps alot. First thing is...You gotta quit fighting...you done lost that fight dude...booze kicked your ass. It doesn't get any better...only worse. Alcoholics cannot drink socially, we lost that ability somewhere along the way. I wish you the best and hope you get some peace of mind.
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I disagree about a sudden and permanent line being crossed into a forever alcoholic state, this article sums up a lot of the recent science on the subject and treatment in the US:
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/03/the-irrationality-of-alcoholics-anonymous/386255/
I do believe that some folks will never be able to drink socially again, however I don't believe this tenent applies to everyone who could benefit from group discussion.
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Re: Alcoholism [Re: DrMambo]
#21846368 - 06/23/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fuck alcohol, do dxm, lol
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kr0nik0 said: I thought you were trying to taper off and eventually quit.
Is that still a viable option for you, or are you set on keepin on drinking?
Fuck man I dunno. I just don't. I've tapered down so many times to the point I'm shaking laying in bed wishing I were dead. Then after the purge as I call it when you just curl into bed and sweat while sleeping. I dream a lot during it some of the best dreams i've ever had. But keep the sweat going. The purge.
I'm so bored and tired with life. I crave interaction with other people. I crave a lot of things drinkings something I do as I left my home 2 years ago. I'm 2 years clean of heroin but on the other hand I became an alcoholic. I just don't know. I've tried over and over when I get real shaky. But I dunno I always just figure oh well I'm good again and then restart the process.
I completely understand man. You know I've been there with my oxy and dope addiction I had several years ago. I was a unfulfilled with life as well after getting clean for a long time. Eventually I got better by diet, exercise, etc but that didn't last long.
I started drinking heavily like you about 3 years ago and in January of this year I finally found a way to stop. I ordered 1kg of Kratom and that made it so much easier to deal with the alcohol w/d's. It's the only thing that worked for me so if you're interested in trying that route, let me know as I have quite a bit of Kratom I can send you for free to help out.
Just let me know.
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