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Study: Scant evidence that medical pot helps many illnesses
    #21845468 - 06/23/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

News from The Associated Press
By LINDSEY TANNER

CHICAGO (AP) -- Medical marijuana has not been proven to work for many illnesses that state laws have approved it for, according to the first comprehensive analysis of research on its potential benefits.

The strongest evidence is for chronic pain and for muscle stiffness in multiple sclerosis, according to the review, which evaluated 79 studies involving more than 6,000 patients. Evidence was weak for many other conditions, including anxiety, sleep disorders, and Tourette's syndrome and the authors recommend more research.

The analysis is among several medical marijuana articles published Tuesday in the Journal of the American Medical Association. They include a small study suggesting that many brand labels for edible marijuana products list inaccurate amounts of active ingredients. More than half of brands tested had much lower amounts than labeled, meaning users might get no effect.

Highlights from the journal:

THE ANALYSIS

The researchers pooled results from studies that tested marijuana against placebos, usual care or no treatment. That's the most rigorous kind of research but many studies found no conclusive evidence of any benefit. Side effects were common and included dizziness, dry mouth and sleepiness. A less extensive research review in the journal found similar results.

It's possible medical marijuana could have widespread benefits, but strong evidence from high-quality studies is lacking, authors of both articles say.

"It's not a wonder drug but it certainly has some potential," said Dr. Robert Wolff, a co-author and researcher with Kleijnen Systematic Reviews Ltd., a research company in York, England.

EDIBLE PRODUCTS

Researchers evaluated 47 brands of medical marijuana products, including candy, baked goods and drinks, bought at dispensaries in Los Angeles, San Francisco and Seattle.

Independent laboratory testing for THC, marijuana's leading active ingredient, found accurate amounts listed on labels for just 13 of 75 products. Almost 1 in 4 had higher amounts than labeled, which could cause ill effects. Most had lower-than-listed amounts. There were similar findings for another active ingredient. Products were not identified by name.

Johns Hopkins University researcher Ryan Vandrey, the lead author, said he was surprised so many labels were inaccurate. The researchers note, however, that the results may not be the same in other locations.

MARIJUANA LAWS

Twenty-three states and Washington, D.C. have laws permitting medical marijuana use. Approved conditions vary but include Alzheimer's disease, epilepsy, glaucoma, kidney disease, lupus and Parkinson's disease.

An editorial in the journal says approval in many states has been based on poor quality studies, patients' testimonials or other nonscientific evidence.

Marijuana is illegal under federal law and some scientists say research has been stymied by government hurdles including a declaration that marijuana is a controlled substance with no accepted medical use.

But in a notice published Tuesday in the Federal Register, the Department of Health and Human Services made it a little easier for privately funded medical marijuana research to get approved. The department said that a federal Public Health Service review of research proposals is no longer necessary because it duplicates a required review by the Food and Drug Administration.

THE FUTURE

Colorado, one of a few states where recreational marijuana use is legal, has pledged more than $8 million in state funds for several studies on the drug's potential medical benefits, including whether it can reduce veterans' symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder. That study may begin recruiting participants later this year, said Vandrey, one of that study's leaders.

Vandrey said there's a feeling of optimism in the research community that "we'll start to get a good science base" for the potential medical uses of marijuana.

THE RECOMMENDATIONS

The editorial by two Yale University psychiatrists suggests enthusiasm for medical marijuana has outpaced rigorous research and says widespread use should wait for better evidence. Federal and state governments should support and encourage such research, the editorial says.

"Perhaps it is time to place the horse back in front of the cart," Drs. Deepak Cyril D'Souza and Mohini Ranganathan wrote in the editorial.

They note that repeated recreational marijuana use can be addictive and say unanswered questions include what are the long-term health effects of medical marijuana use and whether its use is justified in children whose developing brains may be more vulnerable to its effects.


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Re: Study: Scant evidence that medical pot helps many illnesses [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21845524 - 06/23/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

They're like yeah, we'll just stop throwing you in jail now.:rolleyes:


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Re: Study: Scant evidence that medical pot helps many illnesses [Re: Konyap]
    #21845714 - 06/23/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've been saying since it started that pot isn't really medicine for most people, and for most things they prescribe it for. It's just an excuse to get high. Nothing wrong with getting high, but be real about it.


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Re: Study: Scant evidence that medical pot helps many illnesses [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #21845759 - 06/23/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How much evidence do they need to prove pot is extremely therapeutic and for multiple ailments?!?


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Re: Study: Scant evidence that medical pot helps many illnesses [Re: danlennon3]
    #21845785 - 06/23/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well you do a test
do the positive effects outweigh the negative?

And then you completely disregard that


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Re: Study: Scant evidence that medical pot helps many illnesses [Re: danlennon3]
    #21845799 - 06/23/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

danlennon3 said:
How much evidence do they need to prove pot is extremely therapeutic and for multiple ailments?!?




Kind of a lot, actually. And you see how this study had controls and such? And they still said it wasn't good for most things it's prescribed for.


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Pat The Bunny said:
A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.

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i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.


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Re: Study: Scant evidence that medical pot helps many illnesses [Re: Konyap]
    #21845801 - 06/23/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Really though the consistency is a big issue for them

if you want more CBD in your bud you harvest earlier typically
but if you spent a lot of money on your seed then you might want to not make that call


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Re: Study: Scant evidence that medical pot helps many illnesses [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21845856 - 06/23/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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They note that repeated recreational marijuana use can be addictive and say unanswered questions include what are the long-term health effects of medical marijuana use and whether its use is justified in children whose developing brains may be more vulnerable to its effects.



but the use of unnatural drugs for kids that often don't help is justified? and pot doesn't help sleep disorders? :hypnotoad:


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Re: Study: Scant evidence that medical pot helps many illnesses [Re: misterogerz]
    #21845869 - 06/23/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

sleep disorders lol
that's just the modern human lifestyle...


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Re: Study: Scant evidence that medical pot helps many illnesses [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #21845933 - 06/23/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

36fuckin5 said:
I've been saying since it started that pot isn't really medicine for most people, and for most things they prescribe it for. It's just an excuse to get high. Nothing wrong with getting high, but be real about it.



I too have been saying that. But interesting enough, the other week i hadn't smoked in several days. My back had been killing me (decade old surfing injury) and i smoked some pot. It didn't take the pain away, but it certainly did take it off my mind


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Re: Study: Scant evidence that medical pot helps many illnesses [Re: azur]
    #21846240 - 06/23/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Study: Scant evidence that medical pot helps many illnesses [Re: Konyap]
    #21846333 - 06/23/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't understand how they say pot doesn't help sleep disorders, but sleepiness in a side effect.


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Re: Study: Scant evidence that medical pot helps many illnesses [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #21846430 - 06/23/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

36fuckin5 said:


Kind of a lot, actually. And you see how this study had controls and such? And they still said it wasn't good for most things it's prescribed for.




This^  There are very few properly controlled human studies showing efficacy for any disorder.


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Re: Study: Scant evidence that medical pot helps many illnesses [Re: tito123]
    #21846604 - 06/23/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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tito123 said:
I don't understand how they say pot doesn't help sleep disorders, but sleepiness in a side effect.




if the person is high strung

but again, same day different article
http://www.livescience.com/51304-medical-marijuana-review.html


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Re: Study: Scant evidence that medical pot helps many illnesses [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #21847555 - 06/23/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

how trite. the same thing can be said for lots of drugs that are used in treatments. Marijuana is obviously just the black sheep here, because won't anybody please think of the children. that's ignoring the fact that the war on drugs kills more people then it helps, and that Marijuana laws get more people (including law enforcement) killed and hellps fund criminal enterprise more so then the war on it is worth, in money, and in lives; and then lets not forget about personally freedom here. to have Marijuana sold to legal adults by licensed sellers is essential for taking care of part of the problem the war on drugs has incurred on our culture, but also it's important that people can hear a vote and get what they want. so the more legalization the better, because it's better overall. parenting is key in making sure your kids don't use drugs, because they will get them any way. if it was made legal to sell, then no more criminal element would be viable, save for small time personal dealers, which would of course still be illegal. these studies do nothing really but sum up the interest that people whom aren't smoker's aren't interested in freedom and in reason, and in stopping crime.


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Re: Study: Scant evidence that medical pot helps many illnesses [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #21848559 - 06/24/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I like weed for it's anti-depressant qualities. I used to be on actual anti-depressants, and they worked less and had more side effects, plus very addictive.

Pot=anti-depressant, nice way to unwind after a hard day, nice to share with friends, and nice to smoke when you are out in nature.
It doesn't need to be a miracle cure, but there is many anecdotal evidence that many people's lives improved due to pot.


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Re: Study: Scant evidence that medical pot helps many illnesses [Re: Turtletotem]
    #21848593 - 06/24/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've heard several folks here say weed helps them deal better with their Crohn's disease. And there are many with Epilepsy who claim it helps them have fewer seizures. Anecdotal evidence, to be sure, but compelling nonetheless and worthy of further study.


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Re: Study: Scant evidence that medical pot helps many illnesses [Re: Le_Canard] * 1
    #21849089 - 06/24/15 06:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

There are going to be more and more published articles like this
concluding that cannabis doesn't help treat anything except muscle seizures
(including gut contractions in Crohn's).

Because it's the truth.

Cannabis seems like an effective palliative for various other diseases and complaints
but
it causes depression and dependence in the medium to long term
when the user adjusts to it and it no longer has the original desirable effect
so overall it's crap as a palliative too
despite what people want to believe before they reach that point.

"Causing sleepiness" does not equal "improved sleep", in fact, it implies the opposite.

Still, I say 'legalise it' and bring it out from the black market.
We do have the right to poison ourselves however we want.


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Re: Study: Scant evidence that medical pot helps many illnesses [Re: Nun]
    #21861684 - 06/26/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If "medical" users get discounted pot for sleep I totally deserve discounted beer for the same reason. The list of approved ailments in California is so large everyone qualifies. There is no test for depression either so no one can prove you don't have it. It's like insomnia.
Why don't we just give up on idea of taxing it since everyone is just going to claim they are medical? If I could get a beer card that allowed me to get cheaper beer from a dispensary I would, and so would all my friends.


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Re: Study: Scant evidence that medical pot helps many illnesses [Re: my3rdeye]
    #21861901 - 06/26/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I wish they'd stop beating around the bush and just legalize the stuff outright nationwide.


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Re: Study: Scant evidence that medical pot helps many illnesses [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21861986 - 06/26/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

did they?


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Re: Study: Scant evidence that medical pot helps many illnesses [Re: Konyap]
    #21862005 - 06/26/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Not yet. But they will some wonderful day.


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Re: Study: Scant evidence that medical pot helps many illnesses [Re: Nun]
    #21864831 - 06/27/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Let's be too pre-meditative and speculative with regard to our conclusions about pot's medical applications or the lack thereof. Firstly, many unwanted conditions are linked to stress; we are all at least aware of pot's potential to mediate stress levels. So, indirect correlations can be drawn from that until more results from more research come to the "surface," which is just recently being rebooted. As of yet we've barely scratched this surface regarding pot's true potential when looked at seriously, so we should get used to this being yet another perpetually unfolding mystery. Absolutely, anything can be abused, but moderation is key, and ultimately it's up to the user to decide that.

I'm actually all for any information that seeks to dispel residual hype-induced inflation. We're not  going to get to the bottom of this any time soon and it's just plain laughable that marijuana, now in the limelight of scrutiny, is have to prove itself to some as a sort of GET-RESULTS-RIGHT-NOW-OMNI-SICKNESS-DESTROYER in order for them to even consider legalizing.

Or just pop some opiates, dissolve the issues in alcohol, and forget the whole thing. Tomorrow is a new day to numb the regret of another one of those pesky drugs. Cops already have to deal with legal alcohol, prescription meds, and guns, why add another legal poison to the already convoluted mix, because we all know that's why it shouldn't be legalized...or so cops say... *extreme sarcasm alert* really good logic there :thumbup:

As it is integrated into society and put to the text in every possible way, taboos will be lifting, cleaning the fog off of the lens the whole time.


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    #21870869 - 06/28/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

oh


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