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bulk tub, fully colonized?
    #21845208 - 06/23/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Its been there since Thursday.
3 jars spawn 6 sub. In a 45l tub.
noobish mistakes:
applied top layer.
sub spawn mix is 2" or something.
holes are above the sub by 1.5-2".


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Re: bulk tub, fully colonized? [Re: oontribe]
    #21845242 - 06/23/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Take a closer picture of those white dots in the middle of the tub, I am not sure if those are knots or not.


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Re: bulk tub, fully colonized? [Re: arpeggiator]
    #21845271 - 06/23/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

looks pretty good from the small picture. maybe wait another couple of days, as some people like to consolidate a bit before fruiting.

also try using clear liners next time. gives you a chance to look at the bottom of your substrate to make sure its all the way there.


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Re: bulk tub, fully colonized? [Re: oontribe]
    #21845315 - 06/23/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What sub did you use? If it's coir, I would fruit it.


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Re: bulk tub, fully colonized? [Re: Jii]
    #21845350 - 06/23/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Coir verm gypsum

But i think consolidating is good...gonna leave it for another 5 days.



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Re: bulk tub, fully colonized? [Re: oontribe]
    #21845417 - 06/23/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yes being able to see the bottom of the sub is very important. The whole underside of that thing could be uncolonized for all you know :grin:

Happened to me once at least. Put the thing in fruiting conditions and boom contams.

So in this particular case, consolidating would be a good idea. Usually 5 days is overkill though IMO.


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Re: bulk tub, fully colonized? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21845434 - 06/23/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How long would you leave it?


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Re: bulk tub, fully colonized? [Re: oontribe]
    #21845487 - 06/23/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

clear liner = bottom pinning no?

Any uneven colonization would be due to not mixing properly when you spawn no?
ie: grain jars colonizing just as fast everywhere after a shake

I'm more worried about your sub depth... I have a few tubs going that are probably just under 3" and because of how lower they are than my holes, I think the conditions in the tub are sub optimal... my first tub I am going to blame the gnats on but I have two more that started to pin today so we shall see... pretty sure the next time I do this though I am going to have 4"+ of sub and try to make it almost level with the polyfil holes.

and I won't be using a clear liner :laugh:


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Re: bulk tub, fully colonized? [Re: newrook]
    #21845507 - 06/23/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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clear liner = bottom pinning no?




no, not at all. it is all about micro climate, not light exposure.

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Any uneven colonization would be due to not mixing properly when you spawn no?
ie: grain jars colonizing just as fast everywhere after a shake




possibly, but not a given.

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I'm more worried about your sub depth...




don't be, 2 inches is fine.

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and I won't be using a clear liner :laugh:




suit yourself :smirk:


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Re: bulk tub, fully colonized? [Re: Sksoul]
    #21845516 - 06/23/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Dude after I spawn to bulk I'll leave it until i see a pin or two pop up before i put it into fruiting conditions


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Re: bulk tub, fully colonized? [Re: Th3Issu3]
    #21845548 - 06/23/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I doubt a clear liner would make any real difference. (if you're that paranoid about light causing pinning, the whole tub should be wrapped in a black garbage bag, no? in which case a dark liner would be pointless)

my take on it anyway

I don't think colonizing in the dark is as important as some people crack it up to be. I mean, exposure to air is the main pinning trigger is it not?


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Re: bulk tub, fully colonized? [Re: Th3Issu3]
    #21845550 - 06/23/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Dude after I spawn to bulk I'll leave it until i see a pin or two pop up before i put it into fruiting conditions




not necessary. some people do this with great results, but fruiting at 100% is perfectly acceptable. 100% colonization followed by fae are the main pinning triggers and then not so much light exposure/evaporation from substrate etc...

Waiting a couple of days wont hurt anything. If mushrooms are going to grow, they will grow.


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Re: bulk tub, fully colonized? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21845553 - 06/23/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I doubt a clear liner would make any real difference.

I mean, exposure to air is the main pinning trigger is it not?




a clear liner would enable you to view your substrate; sides, bottom and all.

100% colonization followed by fae are the main pinning triggers


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Re: bulk tub, fully colonized? [Re: Sksoul]
    #21845569 - 06/23/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Th3Issu3 said:
Dude after I spawn to bulk I'll leave it until i see a pin or two pop up before i put it into fruiting conditions




not necessary. some people do this with great results, but fruiting at 100% is perfectly acceptable. 100% colonization followed by fae are the main pinning triggers and then not so much light exposure/evaporation from substrate etc...

Waiting a couple of days wont hurt anything. If mushrooms are going to grow, they will grow.



Frank Horrigan says waiting for pins causes more aborts. He's somewhat new around here, but he's one of my most trusted sources

"When your substrate is fully colonized, it is time to fruit. Some people prefer to wait for a few pins, but i find this only adds more aborts to my first flush. My yields are better when fruited at 100% as well." -frank horrigan

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777#17332777



And any newb should read through franks series on how he gets shit done. He does good write-ups. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163#17897163


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Re: bulk tub, fully colonized? [Re: Sksoul]
    #21845572 - 06/23/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
I doubt a clear liner would make any real difference.

I mean, exposure to air is the main pinning trigger is it not?




a clear liner would enable you to view your substrate; sides, bottom and all.

100% colonization followed by fae are the main pinning triggers



yeah I know, I was defending clear liners. I suppose I did word that poorly. I meant it would make no negative difference.

Clear all the way. :thumbup:


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Re: bulk tub, fully colonized? [Re: Th3Issu3]
    #21845581 - 06/23/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Dude after I spawn to bulk I'll leave it until i see a pin or two pop up before i put it into fruiting conditions




:super: Answered my question.


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Re: bulk tub, fully colonized? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21845662 - 06/23/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
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Sksoul said:
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rbalzer said:
I doubt a clear liner would make any real difference.

I mean, exposure to air is the main pinning trigger is it not?




a clear liner would enable you to view your substrate; sides, bottom and all.

100% colonization followed by fae are the main pinning triggers



yeah I know, I was defending clear liners. I suppose I did word that poorly. I meant it would make no negative difference.

Clear all the way. :thumbup:




looks like we're on the same page. good looking out! :dancer:


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Re: bulk tub, fully colonized? [Re: Sksoul]
    #21845680 - 06/23/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Its hard for me to find a clear liner.
when to fruit?


Edited by oontribe (06/23/15 11:38 AM)


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Re: bulk tub, fully colonized? [Re: oontribe]
    #21845698 - 06/23/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

giving it a couple more days will not hurt anything. from the picture your sub looks okay to put into fruiting conditions now and thats what I would do.


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Re: bulk tub, fully colonized? [Re: Sksoul]
    #21845830 - 06/23/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What about those tubs? Did they finish colonizing?
they dont have top layer as the previous tub and colonized fast.

tub 1:





Tub 2:



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Re: bulk tub, fully colonized? [Re: oontribe]
    #21846960 - 06/23/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

the first tub pictures looked 99% done.

on tub 2 the very last picture on the right has a a few spots that need to finish colonizing. im not sure if that is a different tub. give it a day or two  until all the substrate is fuzzy white.


people do a few different things after colonization.

1)apply a casing layer, wait until 100% colonization to induce fruiting.
2) apply a  casing layer, wait until 30% colonization to induce fruiting.
3) fruit without a casing layer induce fruiting at 100% colonization.


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Re: bulk tub, fully colonized? [Re: eatyualive]
    #21848826 - 06/24/15 02:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

much appreciated eatyoualive...i dont think iam going to case em...does it make a big difference in term of yields?
iam growing cubes and i have already applied a top layer of substrate in the first tub in the original post. the others too arent covered with anything.
do you consolidate?


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Re: bulk tub, fully colonized? [Re: oontribe]
    #21851910 - 06/24/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

ah so you did the substrate as casing method. don't add a casing for that tub. for me yields about the same with or without a casing. fruit size is larger on uncased subs. doesn't mean you won't get massive fruits on cased subs.

personally i never consolidate anything. isn't necessary for cubensis.


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Re: bulk tub, fully colonized? [Re: eatyualive]
    #21853516 - 06/25/15 01:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you so much eatyualive.


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