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Re: A few of my rants regarding SC shooting... [Re: starfire_xes]
#21863931 - 06/27/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's true, too. In essence, the flag is being appropriated as a symbol to confront racism. That sounds like a perfect use of it to me.
Racism ultimately will end. It's going to take a long time, of course, but like all irrational belief systems, it will eventually disappear. Today, we know it's absurd to believe that disease is the product of demons possessing a body. Eventually, racism will be universally ridiculed in much the same way.
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Re: A few of my rants regarding SC shooting... [Re: Enlil]
#21863940 - 06/27/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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50% agreed. It's not only about attacking racism though. It's about attacking opposing points of view from being expressed, it's about attack different ideologies. 'Racism' is just a buzzword in a lot of cases to influence the Low-Info's/Low IQ'ers.
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Re: A few of my rants regarding SC shooting... [Re: starfire_xes]
#21863946 - 06/27/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Racism is an ideology, so sure...it's about attacking an ideology. I don't know what other ideology you're arguing that it's being used to attack, but I've only seen it recently being used to attack racism.
As far as racism being a buzzword, welcome to the world of politics. You've certainly been an enthusiastic user of other politically charged rhetorical buzzwords yourself. I don't know why you'd expect any different from anyone else.
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Re: A few of my rants regarding SC shooting... [Re: Enlil]
#21870427 - 06/28/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Racism will only end once biology is no longer an accepted science which will be never.
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Re: A few of my rants regarding SC shooting... [Re: Shins]
#21870445 - 06/28/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Biology will eventually be the end of racism, for sure.
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Re: A few of my rants regarding SC shooting... [Re: Enlil]
#21870619 - 06/28/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Biology will eventually be the end of racism, for sure.
Only if everything we currently know about it is refuted.
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Re: A few of my rants regarding SC shooting... [Re: Shins]
#21870646 - 06/28/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not so much. There is no biological foundation for racial lines. Race is a social construct, pure and simple.
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Re: A few of my rants regarding SC shooting... [Re: Enlil]
#21870680 - 06/28/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Not so much. There is no biological foundation for racial lines. Race is a social construct, pure and simple.
You have no basis for that claim and that is not what modern biology says. environment and genes certainly play a role in race, unless you want to deny evolution as well?
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Re: A few of my rants regarding SC shooting... [Re: Shins]
#21870739 - 06/28/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Race is an arbitrary line drawn by society...not some genetic trait or biological difference. I've already cited my basis for that claim, and my claim is not novel.
"Race, the way we have traditionally thought of it, is indeed a social construction. But whether racial groups are purely a biological myth is debatable. There are serious biologists who believe that race is a useful framework. Race may be a biological myth, but there is no unanimous consensus on this topic, and those who dissent from the position that it is a myth are not marginal cranks. 100 years ago almost everyone agreed that race was real, and that the consequences of race entailed that populations should be subject to different standards of treatment. Today almost no one agrees with the proposition that populations should be subject to different standards of treatment (besides racism-countering policies like affirmative action), but there is disagreement on whether race is real or not."
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2012/05/02/human-races-may-have-biological-meaning-but-races-mean-nothing-about-humanity/
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Re: A few of my rants regarding SC shooting... [Re: Enlil]
#21873471 - 06/29/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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the leading scientists used to debate whether or not the sun revolved around the earth or not too. Just because there isn't widespread agreement on a subject by leading authorities does not make a case for or against anything. It carries about as much weight as 4 out of 5 dentists agreeing colgate is the best brand.
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Re: A few of my rants regarding SC shooting... [Re: SneezingPenis]
#21873500 - 06/29/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The bottom line is that the notion of race within the human species as a biological matter is no longer widely accepted. On the contrary, most biologists and physical anthropologists recognize race as being a social construct and not a biological trait.
You can disagree, of course, if it serves your bias to do so. I prefer to approach things rationally.
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Re: A few of my rants regarding SC shooting... [Re: SneezingPenis]
#21873582 - 06/29/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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SneezingPenis said: the leading scientists used to debate whether or not the sun revolved around the earth or not too. Just because there isn't widespread agreement on a subject by leading authorities does not make a case for or against anything. It carries about as much weight as 4 out of 5 dentists agreeing colgate is the best brand.
It carries a whole heck of a lot more weight than some random person on the Internet (you) claiming something that makes no biological sense and providing virtually no evidence for it. I'll stick with the scientific community on this one.
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Re: A few of my rants regarding SC shooting... [Re: BoldAsLove]
#21873599 - 06/29/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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EnEnlil is trying to establish a scientific consensus where there is none.
enlil is just a guy on the internet.
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Re: A few of my rants regarding SC shooting... [Re: Shins]
#21873629 - 06/29/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not believing Enlil (a random person on the Internet), I'm believing the evidence he provided and what I've learned throughout my education. As far as I can tell, there is a consensus that race is a social construct. Can you provide a scientific source that disagrees with that?
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Re: A few of my rants regarding SC shooting... [Re: SneezingPenis]
#21873719 - 06/29/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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SneezingPenis said: the leading scientists used to debate whether or not the sun revolved around the earth or not too.
Can you please share your source showing it was scientists who made that argument? Or was it religious and/or authority figures?
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Re: A few of my rants regarding SC shooting... [Re: Shins]
#21873834 - 06/29/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shins said: EnEnlil is trying to establish a scientific consensus where there is none.
enlil is just a guy on the internet.
That's not what I'm trying to establish at all. In fact, I specifically quoted a portion of an article that said that there was no unanimous consensus and that there is still a debate even among reputable scientists.
My point isn't that the matter is settled. My position is that race is a social construct, and my position is shared by many, but not all, scientists.
YOU are the one that implied that it would require refuting everything that we know about biology to end racism. This argument is tantamount to a claim that the science of biology has wholly embraced the concept of biologically-based race. That is simply untrue. The truth is that biology has slowly and steadily moved away from such a notion.
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Re: A few of my rants regarding SC shooting... [Re: Enlil]
#21873872 - 06/29/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You can side with the politically motivated "scientists" and ill side with the ones who are not out desperately trying to push their bogus hypotheses because racism.
The science of biology provides evidence which backs up racism, so of course PC people with agendas need to try and push a bogus hypothesis. Its total cognitive dissonance, biologists jist don't want to back up th reasons for racism because it is uncomfortable and socially awkward.
you know foe sure that there are plenty of PC leftards out there who went into biology and then experienced cognitive dissonance when they realized that racism is based in part on scientific evidence, so in orser to eesole their cognitive dissonance in being a biologist, they need to try and revise the science.
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Re: A few of my rants regarding SC shooting... [Re: Shins]
#21873887 - 06/29/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The trith is in the middle, race is both genetic and ethnic. Its the classic nature/nurture debate.
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Re: A few of my rants regarding SC shooting... [Re: Enlil]
#21873946 - 06/29/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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that is thought policing. If you think that we should condition and teach kids at an early age to shape their philosophy in a manner that dissuades people from having a racist ideology, that is thought policing. I am an extremely educated person and I am a racist (by todays popular standards)... how did that happen?
I said nothing about conditioning anyone. The more educated a person is, the less likely he/she is to have irrational belief systems such as Christianity, racism, conspiracy theories, etc. That has nothing to do with conditioning and everything to do with learning how to think critically.
Isn't it also irrational to assume everyone is equal? Isn't it also very irrational to assume every culture is equal in nature?
Where is the critical thinking in believing that every PC thought is just and righteous like some many do? This lack of critical thinking goes across a very large spectrum in my opinion.
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Re: A few of my rants regarding SC shooting... [Re: qman]
#21874491 - 06/29/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Of course it's irrational to assume everyone and every culture is equal. This isn't about culture, though. This is about race. Using race to determine anything is irrational since race is a social construct.
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