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Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep UPDATED *DELETED* * 2
    #21842819 - 06/22/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: insanemike] * 2
    #21842835 - 06/22/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:chief:CHIA TRIALS:chief:




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1. Will Chia seed increase yield or is it a waste of time?

2.How do you properly prepare chia seed to get the best results?

3. Goal: Find an alternative substrate additive that will slow release nutrients through multiple flushes like spawnmate.

The Chia seed will be added to the bulk as follows:

1. Chia seed added to substrates dry then pasteurized
2. Chia seed sterilized to expand then pasteurized
3. Chia seed expanded with water then pasteurized

**All tests performed with working/ tested clone cultures.

PF AMAZON CHIA SEED TRIAL #1:
LAYER CASED SUBSTRATE
                                 
                 
Substrate Ratio Per Tub:

1:1.6 Ratio Spawn:substrate
  • 6 Quarts of WBS spawn
  • 10 Quarts Volume: 1 Brick Coir/ 1 Quarts Verm/ 1 cups gypsum/ 4 cups strawnet/ 1/4 cup chia seed.
  • layered with 3 quarts mixed into sub, 3 quarts as a top layer. then a thin 1/4" casing placed on top. chia was added prior to pasteurization.
  • 3" Sub Depth

Control: 4 tub comparison. 2 tubs with chia(Tub 3 and 4) and 2 without(Tub 5 and 6). All 4 tubs are the same high yielding tested clone and the same substrate mix and volume. The non chia tubs have 6 quarts spawn each. The chia tubs have 6 quarts each.

Question: Will the higher protein content of chia help bulk up yield in multiple flushes with a side by side when compared to tubs without chia seed? The ultimate goal is to get consistent yield in multiple flushes. How do you access the nutrients using chia seed? What is the best method to figure this out?  Is it beneficial to add the chia in dry or should it be expanded with water first then added to the substrate and pasteurized? several different methods for adding chia seed to bulk substrate will be attempted. It has a very high concentration of protein and seems to be a viable additive to bulk substrates.

CHIA TUBS: Yield was lower in the 1st flush about 3oz dry per tub. But increased in the 2nd flush to 4oz dry. Third flush did absolutely nothing so the two tubs were chunked out and used for new substrates. Substrate as casing method seems to lower yield with the same spawn ratio cased at 100% used with this clone. Generally yield is 6-8z dry 1st flush on average.

Tub 3: Fruiting Day 1-9

2nd Flush:


Tub 4: Fruiting Day 1-9

2nd flush:


PF AMAZON TRIAL #2:
LAYER CASED SUBSTRATE
                                 
                 
Substrate Ratio Per Tub:

1:1.4 Ratio Spawn:substrate
  • 7 Quarts of WBS spawn
  • 10 Quarts Volume: 1 Brick Coir/ 1 Quarts Verm/ 1 cups gypsum/ 4 cups strawnet/ 1/4 cup chia seed.
  • layered with 4 quarts mixed into sub, 3 quarts as a top layer. then a thin 1/4" casing placed on top.
  • 3" Sub Depth


NON CHIA TUBS: Yield was higher in 3 flushes without the chia seed on these runs. The substrates only produced 5oz dry on the 1st 4oz dry on 2nd flush. 2oz dry on the 3rd. The tubs were chunked after 3 flushes. The substrate as casing method here was used with 1/4" casings.  It seems the nutrients in the chia weren't utilized as wanted.

Tub 5: Fruiting Day 1-9


2nd Flush:



Tub 6: Fruiting Day 1-9


2nd Flush:


APE: CHIA SEED TRIAL #2:
REGULAR CASING APPLIED AT 100%
                                 
                 
Substrate Ratio Per Tub:

1:1.3 Ratio Spawn:substrate per tub
  • 6 Quarts of WBS spawn
  • 8 Quarts Volume per tub: 2 Brick Coir/ 4 Quarts Verm/ 1/2 cups gypsum/ 1/2 cup chia seed. the chia was prepped as described below.

    This recipe filled 3 tubs worth of substrate for 8 quarts volume of sub in 4 tubs.


Chia Seed was broken up prior to putting it in the substrate mix. 1/2 cup of chia seed was pressure cooked in a quart jar filled with water by no particular measured volume. The seed and jar were pressure cooked for 30 minutes at 15psi. It is hopeful that nutrients can be accessed earlier than the last trial.

This is the seed after pouring the water in

This is the seed after 5 minutes soaking in water. Notice the gelling effect of the chia. This happens after it has been in water for a few minutes.

This is the seed after 30 minutes pressure cooking at 15psi and then removed from the pressure cooker after it has cooled.

This is the chia poured into the tub full of substrate

Chia being mixed in

Substrate after it has been thoroughly mixed with gloves on. Light, fluffy and even.


Substrate was then oven pasteurized for 2.5 hours. and spawned normally.

Substrate Ratio Per Tub:

1:1.4 Ratio Spawn:substrate
  • 6 Quarts of WBS spawn
  • 8 Coir/Verm/ 1/4 cups gypsum/ 1/4 cup chia seed.
  • Grain was prepared by Slurried Spawn
  • 2.5" Sub Depth


TUB 1 FAILED

TUB 2 FAILED

TUB 3 FAILED
TUB 4 FAILED

All 4 of my tubs failed and contaminated with heavy trich and metabolites on or before the first flush. The one control tub without any chia seed fruited normally. So the spawn was not the issue. The control tub used the same recipe with the same batch of spawn but no chia in the substrate. The pre sterilization of the chia caused the problem.  The next attempt will be to expand the chia with water, then mix it in with the bulk substrate before pasteurizing. It seems adding the dry seed is slowing the access to the nutrients of the chia seed The flushes perform slower during colonization and fruiting through several flushes.

TEXAS YELLOW CAP: CHIA SEED TRIAL #3:
REGULAR CASING APPLIED AT 100%
   

This is a 3 tub grow. 2 tubs have no chia for comparison. 1 tub has chia. all tubs have the same substrate formula.

Water was added to the chia seed and expanded for 30 minutes. The difference this time is that the chia seed was expanded without heat treatment prior to pasteurization.
This is the seed after pouring the water in

This is the seed after 30 minutes soaking in water. Notice the gelling effect of the chia. This happens after it has been in water .

This is the chia poured into the tub full of substrate

Chia being mixed in

Substrate after it has been thoroughly mixed with gloves on. Light, fluffy and even.


Substrate was then oven pasteurized for 2.5 hours. and spawned normally.

Substrate Ratio Per Tub:

1:1.6 Ratio Spawn:substrate
  • 5 Quarts of WBS spawn
  • 8 Quarts Strawnet/Verm/ 1/4 cup chia seed.
  • Grain was prepared by Slurried Spawn
  • 2.5" Sub Depth

 
Casing:
Cased with 50/50 verm/coir/gypsum

TUB 1: no chia(control)


TUB 2: no chia(control 2)


TUB 3: CHIA(trial)


Conclusion yield was higher in the chia tub on the first flush this go around as 6oz dry. The control tubs yielded 5z dry each. this trial will be continued further when time permits.  trial 3 was cut short after first flush due to vacation.

UPDATES TO COME. THE NEXT TWO SPOTS ARE RESERVED FOR THE UPDATES.

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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: eatyualive]
    #21842840 - 06/22/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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    #21842841 - 06/22/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: eatyualive]
    #21842921 - 06/22/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: Buck513]
    #21842950 - 06/22/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:lol:His wife kicked him off the internet so he reserved them to post some shit later.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: insanemike]
    #21843351 - 06/22/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

allright up. im going to update soon on the next spawn session.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: eatyualive]
    #21843371 - 06/22/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: eatyualive]
    #21843390 - 06/22/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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allright up. im going to update soon on the next spawn session.




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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: insanemike]
    #21843558 - 06/22/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Mike. Got your pm to add in here, but i had view only privileges. I'll share my experiences tomorrow. Very nice write up. Let's see what the pussies have to say.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: azur]
    #21843576 - 06/22/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks, Az. Pussies can't say shit, they can only take a dick, douche or dildo.:lol:


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: insanemike]
    #21843590 - 06/22/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Was that a "team america: world police" reference?


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: Buck513]
    #21843617 - 06/22/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:shrug: It's been so long since I've seen that movie.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: insanemike]
    #21843619 - 06/22/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: mush madness] * 1
    #21843645 - 06/22/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Lots here to take in. A good read for sure. Nice work guys :thumbup:

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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: insanemike]
    #21843658 - 06/22/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: Buck513]
    #21843696 - 06/22/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks, pasty. I will be creating an entire series throughout the next month or so, along with a grow log which will include isolating a few strains of the z-strain variety.

buck, yeah I remember that scene. :laugh2:


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: insanemike]
    #21843842 - 06/22/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm a huge fan of any grain prep that involves visually checking for moisture and doneness.  Kudos!  Interesting write-up, mike.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: Psilicon]
    #21843868 - 06/22/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks, van. It's nice to get props from the big wigs around here.:grin:


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: Psilicon]
    #21843875 - 06/22/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

good job mike I was waiting for your write up.

I do wbr on the stove but the same as you, in increments. I also supplement, I don't have access to hemp or chia so for me its different types/colors of rice with other grains and seeds I can find at the grocery store (in Asia, mind you).

The reason we only let the wbr grains get to 2/3 hydrated to where the kernels are still white in the middle is wbr is still shakeable at this point. Once you get fully hydrated, rice bursts like a mother fucker and is only good with kimchi.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: insanemike]
    #21843920 - 06/22/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well written tek Mike!

I will will def. have to give it a shot, the only tek I have ever used that worked for rice is found in a tek called the 9er tek, works great


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: Sksoul]
    #21843965 - 06/22/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ok. Just went through our texts mike. Goddamn there was a lot of shit.
Anyways, I'm tired and on my phone. Here's a scattered rundown.
Good luck deciphering it.


2 teaspoons of chia seed for every 3 cups of water.
Chia is a lot more nutritious then simple sugar additives. Chia at 10% of any cereal grain by weight rivals them in amino acids. Only seed comparable is flaxseed which has the same type of mucous membrane. All cereal grains are high in omega 6 and low in omega 3. While chia and flaxseed are quite the opposite.
Congrats on getting the ban lifted on 11/30/14. You are lucky it was a mod who likes you that banned you. Rose would not change her stance no matter how we tried to convince her. Cron ended up finding the thread we were pleading in and gave us the good news.
Add 2 teaspoons of Chia seed per 3 cups of water. Mix thoroughly and give it 5-10 minutes to do its thing. Spoon some out and let it drip back into the jar, you will know when it's ready.
You should drop a 1/3 of that plate i sent you in an lc.
Btw, chia seeds worked. Clean grain. But took forever!  But super super clean. I only pc'd for 20 min though. I'm gonna try again for 45 min. Maybe it'll help break it down and make it faster. So when i made the chia lc, i made 3 of them but i only pc'd for 20 min. I know you said 45, but i had other lc's in the pc that called for 20 min.
Anyways, 2 triched out. The one surviving one i knocked up two jars with I only knocked up 2 jars because i was reluctant and didn't want to waste grain. My lc gives me fully colonized jars in 5 to 10 days. Let me tell you what, the chia lc took those two jars close to 5 weeks to colonize!! And they had a ever so slight look of bacteria  and i figured the should since they've been hanging around so long. But they stayed in that ever so slight state throughout colonization. The other day i built tubs. I use 4 jars of spawn per tub and get colonization in 4 days.
I built a tub using the 2 chia lc and the regular amount of hpoo for a normal tub.
So my ratio for a normal tub is 5.25:8. With your chia tub is was 2.65:8 Holy fucking shit!!!  It colonized in 3 days!!!'
Good shit mang. I'm going to make some more on Sunday and pc for 45 min and see what happens. But you sir, had a brilliant idea. Dude. I fucking did a 1:4 ratio without a casing layer
I know it doesn't look like much, but with that ratio and no casing layer and the speed of fruiting. It's insane. Bigger fruits too.
Check this guys. The ape tub i built using spawn that was inoculated with chia lc is on its 4th flush and EVERY SINGLE flysh has had 2 ounces. That shit is magic guys.


Through all my experiments, i believe chia is best suited for lc's


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: azur]
    #21843993 - 06/22/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

wow, cool stuff all. I'm gonna go get some flax seed, brb lol


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: Sksoul]
    #21844275 - 06/23/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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good job mike I was waiting for your write up.

I do wbr on the stove but the same as you, in increments. I also supplement, I don't have access to hemp or chia so for me its different types/colors of rice with other grains and seeds I can find at the grocery store (in Asia, mind you).

The reason we only let the wbr grains get to 2/3 hydrated to where the kernels are still white in the middle is wbr is still shakeable at this point. Once you get fully hydrated, rice bursts like a mother fucker and is only good with kimchi.




Yeah. I think it's best to hydrate them 2/3 of the way and then pc them with a little moisture still on the outside of the kernels. When prepared this way, the outer part of the kernels look like they dry out a little during the pc run.


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    #21844585 - 06/23/15 03:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: Sksoul]
    #21844824 - 06/23/15 05:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

adding flax seed to bulk substrates is beneficial through multiple flushes.
make sure to pasteurize the seed. it will grow sprouts if you do not.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: eatyualive]
    #21844885 - 06/23/15 06:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:takingnotes:

Nice detailed write up.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: Grey]
    #21844910 - 06/23/15 06:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks, grey. I put a lot of thought into it.

Azur, thanks for dropping a few lines. I really appreciate it, especially the notes about the chia seed LC. That was awesome of you.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: insanemike]
    #21847904 - 06/23/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry i didn't take better notes. But anyone that runs multiple flushes, chia lc is for you!


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: azur]
    #21848862 - 06/24/15 03:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Chia, I eat the stuff often. Never thought of adding it in sub.

Too expensive for me to use in my sub, cool thread regardless. :thumbup:


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21848885 - 06/24/15 03:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Nice interesting read :thumbup: I will keep an eye on this thread, love experimentation.

My opinion is that this whole idea of giving "more nutrients" is flawed though. I don't think mushrooms need that. The little fuckers can produce a full canopy on straight coir and a few grains. What do you guys think?


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: LeopardMan]
    #21848905 - 06/24/15 03:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Nice interesting read :thumbup: I will keep an eye on this thread, love experimentation.

My opinion is that this whole idea of giving "more nutrients" is flawed though. I don't think mushrooms need that. The little fuckers can produce a full canopy on straight coir and a few grains. What do you guys think?




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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21848930 - 06/24/15 04:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The thread is actually a tek written about properly preparing rice. There is a reason why I marked the supplements I use as optional and I even explained that they are simply used for my entertainment purposes only. No one said you have to use them and they can easily be omitted from the recipe.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: insanemike]
    #21848992 - 06/24/15 05:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Insanely easy grain prep, by insanemike:smilingpuppy:


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    #21849024 - 06/24/15 05:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The thread is actually a tek written about properly preparing rice. There is a reason why I marked the supplements I use as optional and I even explained that they are simply used for my entertainment purposes only. No one said you have to use them and they can easily be omitted from the recipe.




It wasn't directed at you, ofc. I was just talking about this somewhat popular idea I always find mentioned in MC. Your thread only reminded me of that.


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    #21849317 - 06/24/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the clarification, leopardman. I understand that without clear cut evidence of beneficial nutritional enhancements, it's all just speculation. Science is my first love so naturally I find entertainment in it. Hobby's are suppose to be hard work but most of all they should be entertaining. I love this hobby because it keeps me busy and within "mycological parameters", nutrition is a  perfect companion science.

How do you know there isn't a specific combination of macro and micro nutritents for each species of mushroom? This area has not even scratched through the surface of its depth. I'm not saying genetics shouldn't be explored but it shouldn't be the only other companion science beside environmental.

Speaking of environmental, when is the last time someone came up with a cool new fruiting chamber design? I was think about something last night. What if there is a better way than stuffing your holes with an undisclosed amount of polyfil? Like say, figuring out at what micron filter would let the perfect amount of air in and out of the tub?

Does anyone love exploring science just for the hell of it anymore? Never do I ever want to feel like I'm actually working, that would get boring and I would become another lazy depressed American sitting in front of the tv watching unfunny sitcoms and eating funyuns and shit.

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    #21850121 - 06/24/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Thanks for the clarification, leopardman. I understand that without clear cut evidence of beneficial nutritional enhancements, it's all just speculation. Science is my first love so naturally I find entertainment in it. Hobby's are suppose to be hard work but most of all they should be entertaining. I love this hobby because it keeps me busy and within "mycological parameters", nutrition is a  perfect companion science.

How do you know there isn't a specific combination of macro and micro nutritents for each species of mushroom? This area has not even scratched through the surface of its depth. I'm not saying genetics shouldn't be explored but it shouldn't be the only other companion science beside environmental.




It could be, we don't know for sure. My personal opinion is that water, not nutrients, is the most important and undervalued ingredient of a successful grow.

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Speaking of environmental, when is the last time someone came up with a cool new fruiting chamber design? I was think about something last night. What if there is a better way than stuffing your holes with an undisclosed amount of polyfil? Like say, figuring out at what micron filter would let the perfect amount of air in and out of the tub?




There is room for improvement for sure. On the other hand, a SGFC or a monotub are so cheap and effective that nobody feels the need to improve them. It's like the umbrella. We got smartphones and drones and superconductors, but we still use the same thing people have been using for centuries when we need to cover our head from the rain.

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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: LeopardMan]
    #21850151 - 06/24/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hello,
I bought a growing kit and a syringe of spores 10ml. The kit was with ingredients for two bags only. I did everything as I was supposed to (in sterile environment) and I have put the bags t a show box and inside a drawer. The temperature is approximately 80F. Two weeks have passed and the progress is not really going fast. I attached pictures. Please give me an advice why the incubation is going so slow. Thanks in advance. Peace.





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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: LeopardMan]
    #21850173 - 06/24/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:rockon: great discussion! I too looked at the whole supplements idea with a grain of salt. However using different grains sounds awesome. It seems certain grains are more beneficial for different species. Oysters and oats go hand in hand. Cubes love lots of grains, but people have noticed bad differences when using rice over many other grains.

It's definitely like cooking. Mixing it all up. Also it'd be good too if you had a shortage of a certain grain you like, you can make the grain last longer. Say you're short millet and have a lot of oats, you can mix them, and have more inoculation points than pure oats too.

Mike, make a green house, and do it your way. Dial it in like a boss. I know it's not a new fruiting chamber idea per se, but it still is fun to do. Could also improve on the monotub tek. I know some people use magnets and filters for the holes instead of poly. Magnet is covering the hole for colonization, then pull it off and have the filter exposed for fruiting.


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    #21850246 - 06/24/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I bought a growing kit and a syringe of spores 10ml. The kit was with ingredients for two bags only. I did everything as I was supposed to (in sterile environment) and I have put the bags t a show box and inside a drawer. The temperature is approximately 80F. Two weeks have passed and the progress is not really going fast. I attached pictures. Please give me an advice why the incubation is going so slow. Thanks in advance. Peace.








Maybe you should start your own thread next time where the topic is dedicated to your situation.

To guess, I would say it's taking forever because you've got the bag rolled up not allowing good gas exchange through the filter on the bag. Unroll it and set it on a shelf.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: Grey]
    #21850509 - 06/24/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Mad, I was thinking along the lines of something smaller scale. No need to sacfice too much spawn when you can test isolates and clones in their own little fruiting chamber. I'm almost positive I've seen these pp5's with the pseudo lids somewhere on the boards. I wish I knew who it was so I can have someone to share ideas with.



These are a ziploc twist 'n loc medium with a great value twist & store 16oz for the lid. I have four
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I was thinking about buying a Singed Polyester Felt Filter Bag 1 Micron Size #1 7"x16".



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    #21850638 - 06/24/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's quite sophisticated and neat! You should mimic a mono with it. I'd get the 1 micron felt stuff and put it on the bottom holes with top one(s) lightly stuffed, or completely open.

You should also talk to bod a bit. He has bag chambers he makes with literally any bag. Grocery bags, zip lock bags, etc. Just gotta punch holes in it/tape up holes accordingly. Just tapes/elastic bands the bag to the top of the jar. It's also easy to fan cause you crinkle the bag and open it too.

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    #21852416 - 06/24/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Speaking of environmental, when is the last time someone came up with a cool new fruiting chamber design? I was think about something last night. What if there is a better way than stuffing your holes with an undisclosed amount of polyfil? Like say, figuring out at what micron filter would let the perfect amount of air in and out of the tub?




This would really depend on climate, since all passive systems are just a different way to maintain RH at the expense of some FAE.  I even advise people different on how to use their monotubs depending on where they are.


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    #21852829 - 06/24/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Very true, van. Everyone's climate is different and even changes depending on time of year. I have put quite a bit of thought into this. I'm still in search of a material that comes in smaller micron increments. As of right now, the best I've found are these singed polyester felt filters that come in
1/2, 1, 5, 10, 25, 50 and 100 microns. I would probably need to find something that comes in 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc. microns to really be effective for any climate.

Mad, I thought about adopting the monotub style hole design but decided that in order for the entire process to run smoothly that it was best for me not to add holes in the ziploc container. I have thought about placing a hole in the top center of the gv twist & store container. I could leave it completely open or I could use a higher micron (maybe a 5 or 10 micron) filter. If I find success with these individual fruiting chambers, I may move on to adapting the idea to the monotub.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: insanemike]
    #21853081 - 06/24/15 11:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I used gallon baggies on these.


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    #21853119 - 06/24/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yes. I have tried the ziploc freezer bags (gallon and quart) but wanted something a little more eye appealing and with an ability to fine tune.


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    #21853254 - 06/24/15 11:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup: sounds great! I have heard of some people doing invitro with leaving the lid on diagnoll, so I'd imagine a big enough Crack would keep co2 levels down pretty damn well :smile:


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    #21853269 - 06/24/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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    #21853287 - 06/25/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The introduction of fresh air exchange decreases co2 levels and speeds up metabolism giving the mycelium colony enough energy to propagate.


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    #21854084 - 06/25/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:whathesaid: ideally for colonization you want 10000-20000 ppm of co2. A small amount of GE will let it hover in that range. In fruiting less than 1000 ppm of co2 is ideal, since the atmosphere is around 400 ppm, you're going to need constant fae to keep it under 1000.


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    #21854105 - 06/25/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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:whathesaid: ideally for colonization you want 10000-20000 ppm of co2. A small amount of GE will let it hover in that range. In fruiting less than 1000 ppm of co2 is ideal, since the atmosphere is around 400 ppm, you're going to need constant fae to keep it under 1000.




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    #21854454 - 06/25/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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    #21854575 - 06/25/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

This is all speculation, but I'd imagine a sgfc would have the lowest co2 levels, since it functions perfectly with the moving air currents in the room. A mono benefits with a fan, whereas the shotgun doesn't at all.

Also a well dialed in greenhouse would be great too.

In the end all the well tested chambers will keep it below 1000 ppm. However a shotgun is probably the easiest to keep down since it's pretty hard to have not enough fae in it.


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    #21854645 - 06/25/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

SGFC aren't ideal for bulk growers and probably not much can be done to improve upon its design. A green house came to mind when I asked that question to myself also but from my experience without a $70 cycle repeat timer, those things are tough to dial in and it really makes them less ideal. Culter's on this forum be broke these days, homie. Nah mean? Seriously though,  I believe I can improve the monotub and I'm setting out to do just that.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: insanemike]
    #21854692 - 06/25/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Just saying what has low co2 levels. You're right a shotgun is useless to me now. I mainly do bulk.

Haha I'm broke af. That's why I don't have a green house, but I seriously dream of one. I'm pretty sure frank got his gh done for around 100-200$. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18322939

I'll probably be making one after I get better pcs, and maybe a microscope.

If I get any ideas on the mono I'll tell you for sure :smile: I too want to see if we can improve on the design.


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    #21854815 - 06/25/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Mike you should look at my hybrid mono hole configuration in my mini monos thread. Pumps out excellent FAE and can be dialed in for less with a piece of tape.


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    #21855084 - 06/25/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Mike you should look at my hybrid mono hole configuration in my mini monos thread. Pumps out excellent FAE and can be dialed in for less with a piece of tape.




If there is a cheapest way of doing things, pasty already has it figured out. :lol: but seriously, I'll check it out. It could inspire me to incorperate it somehow into what I have been brainstorming already. Who knows? All I know is that the first step is dialing in these pp5 bottle, single shot fruiting chambers.


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    #21855209 - 06/25/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Have y'all seen the hole configuration someone learned over at shroomology? He had 1/4" holes drilled just above substrate level all the way around, and taped with mp tape. Then there were bigger holes near the top of the tote with lose poly in them.


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    #21855243 - 06/25/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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This is all speculation, but I'd imagine a sgfc would have the lowest co2 levels, since it functions perfectly with the moving air currents in the room. A mono benefits with a fan, whereas the shotgun doesn't at all.

Also a well dialed in greenhouse would be great too.

In the end all the well tested chambers will keep it below 1000 ppm. However a shotgun is probably the easiest to keep down since it's pretty hard to have not enough fae in it.



Ive had numerous troubles with oysters in sgfc. A dialed in greenhouse would work.


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    #21855247 - 06/25/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Have y'all seen the hole configuration someone learned over at shroomology? He had 1/4" holes drilled just above substrate level all the way around, and taped with mp tape. Then there were bigger holes near the top of the tote with lose poly in them.



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    #21858350 - 06/26/15 02:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Okay. Anymore discussion of my monotub improvement project will be discussed here. Thank you all for the discussion so far and hope you all can help me along the rest of the way.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=21858216&page=0&vc=1#21858216


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    #22176779 - 09/02/15 01:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Thanks for the PM mike! Great thread and well laid out.

A couple noob questions.

1. Why is it bad if the rice bursts? Seems a little odd to me, that it would be bad, since people use BRF which is like the rice disintegrated.

2. Have you ever used just straight brow rice? Maybe with say a plain vermiculite casing. No chia seed, and no gypsum or anything else. If so, what were your results?

3. Why would one use brown rice grains instead of BRF? Is it more yield, or more flushes? Or both?

4. Did you finish the brown rice inoculation tek you mentioned at the bottom of the OP?


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    #22176933 - 09/02/15 03:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Thanks for the PM mike! Great thread and well laid out.

A couple noob questions.

1. Why is it bad if the rice bursts? Seems a little odd to me, that it would be bad, since people use BRF which is like the rice disintegrated.

This tek is for making grain spawn. Brf cakes are something completey different. Burst grains leak starch which make all the kernels stick together. When making grain spawn, it is imperative that the grain is easily shaken.

2. Have you ever used just straight brow rice? Maybe with say a plain vermiculite casing. No chia seed, and no gypsum or anything else. If so, what were your results?

Sure, I use straight brown rice all the time. I just like to mix it up a bit. Every grain has a unique ability that can be utilized in this hobby. I have figured out a few but there are many different types of grain out there. I want to experiment with them all at some point.

3. Why would one use brown rice grains instead of BRF? Is it more yield, or more flushes? Or both?

We use grain spawn for bulk substrate (hpoo, verm, coir or straw). The grain provides the nutrition and the bulk substrate provides the water. Mushrooms are 90-93% water, that is why we use bulk substrates to grow off of and grain spawn is easy to make, even in bulk.

4. Did you finish the brown rice inoculation tek you mentioned at the bottom of the OP?




I completely forgot about that. I need to revise this tek anyway, I have improved upon some things since writing it. I will be making some rice spawn this weekend so I will write it up and attach it along with a revised version of this tek.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: insanemike]
    #22177281 - 09/02/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ah, so if I'm not going to be making more, then I don't have to worry about the rice bursting. I think I'll keep it from bursting just to get good at that, though.

I'll be using violet's ziplock container tek. Are you one of those who would recommend a verm casing for brown rice grains? Or are you on the side that says it really doesn't matter either way?


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    #22177310 - 09/02/15 08:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

doesn't matter what you case it with. there are many different recipes for casing layers. plain verm works fine. but if you want to harvest anything, it will need to be cased. uncased grains will do you a whole lot of nothing.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22177400 - 09/02/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I would not use this prep tek for violet tek because I don't hydrate my grains enough to fruit off of them. I use rice for my master grain jars. When I revise this tek, I will make it clear what this tek is for so that new growers don't get confused.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22181706 - 09/03/15 04:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'll just stick with BRF then. Curious though, how much more hydration would they need to yield fruit?

And since you said this tek is for creating grain spawn, couldn't I just hydrate until they burst? I mean for the violet tek, it doesn't really matter if the grains stick together. Since they never need to easily separate.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: bennylava]
    #22181759 - 09/03/15 05:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'll just stick with BRF then. Curious though, how much more hydration would they need to yield fruit?

And since you said this tek is for creating grain spawn, couldn't I just hydrate until they burst? I mean for the violet tek, it doesn't really matter if the grains stick together. Since they never need to easily separate.




I don't care what tek it is. Your grain should never clump together. Without air pockets, the jars are likely to go anaerobic. Cube mycelium can't survive in an anaerobic environment. What will most likely occur if the rice is in one solid form, is slow growth and/ or the complete stalling of growth. The longer it takes for your jars to colonize, the greater the chance of contamination.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: insanemike]
    #22182747 - 09/03/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Every time I think I have it figured out, some new factor rears its ugly head. lol


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: bennylava]
    #22182795 - 09/03/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

why not just follow this tek to finish, or v's tek? why mix things up and bring confusion on yourself?
I just dont see your problem and think it must have a real simple solution..


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: insanemike]
    #22341061 - 10/06/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Update in the OP


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