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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: Grey]
    #21850509 - 06/24/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Mad, I was thinking along the lines of something smaller scale. No need to sacfice too much spawn when you can test isolates and clones in their own little fruiting chamber. I'm almost positive I've seen these pp5's with the pseudo lids somewhere on the boards. I wish I knew who it was so I can have someone to share ideas with.



These are a ziploc twist 'n loc medium with a great value twist & store 16oz for the lid. I have four
1/4" holes stuffed with an undisclosed amount of polyfil.:wink: The holes are the exact same distance apart.
I was thinking about buying a Singed Polyester Felt Filter Bag 1 Micron Size #1 7"x16".



My plan was to start with 1 micron and adjust according to how the bottles perform.

http://www.amazon.com/Singed-Polyester-Felt-Filter-Micron/dp/B003EE8N62


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: insanemike]
    #21850638 - 06/24/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's quite sophisticated and neat! You should mimic a mono with it. I'd get the 1 micron felt stuff and put it on the bottom holes with top one(s) lightly stuffed, or completely open.

You should also talk to bod a bit. He has bag chambers he makes with literally any bag. Grocery bags, zip lock bags, etc. Just gotta punch holes in it/tape up holes accordingly. Just tapes/elastic bands the bag to the top of the jar. It's also easy to fan cause you crinkle the bag and open it too.

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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: insanemike]
    #21852416 - 06/24/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Speaking of environmental, when is the last time someone came up with a cool new fruiting chamber design? I was think about something last night. What if there is a better way than stuffing your holes with an undisclosed amount of polyfil? Like say, figuring out at what micron filter would let the perfect amount of air in and out of the tub?




This would really depend on climate, since all passive systems are just a different way to maintain RH at the expense of some FAE.  I even advise people different on how to use their monotubs depending on where they are.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: Psilicon]
    #21852829 - 06/24/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Very true, van. Everyone's climate is different and even changes depending on time of year. I have put quite a bit of thought into this. I'm still in search of a material that comes in smaller micron increments. As of right now, the best I've found are these singed polyester felt filters that come in
1/2, 1, 5, 10, 25, 50 and 100 microns. I would probably need to find something that comes in 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc. microns to really be effective for any climate.

Mad, I thought about adopting the monotub style hole design but decided that in order for the entire process to run smoothly that it was best for me not to add holes in the ziploc container. I have thought about placing a hole in the top center of the gv twist & store container. I could leave it completely open or I could use a higher micron (maybe a 5 or 10 micron) filter. If I find success with these individual fruiting chambers, I may move on to adapting the idea to the monotub.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: insanemike]
    #21853081 - 06/24/15 11:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I used gallon baggies on these.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #21853119 - 06/24/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yes. I have tried the ziploc freezer bags (gallon and quart) but wanted something a little more eye appealing and with an ability to fine tune.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: insanemike]
    #21853254 - 06/24/15 11:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup: sounds great! I have heard of some people doing invitro with leaving the lid on diagnoll, so I'd imagine a big enough Crack would keep co2 levels down pretty damn well :smile:


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: Mad Season]
    #21853269 - 06/24/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Keep the co2 down?


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: Buck513]
    #21853287 - 06/25/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The introduction of fresh air exchange decreases co2 levels and speeds up metabolism giving the mycelium colony enough energy to propagate.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: insanemike]
    #21854084 - 06/25/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:whathesaid: ideally for colonization you want 10000-20000 ppm of co2. A small amount of GE will let it hover in that range. In fruiting less than 1000 ppm of co2 is ideal, since the atmosphere is around 400 ppm, you're going to need constant fae to keep it under 1000.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: Mad Season]
    #21854105 - 06/25/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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:whathesaid: ideally for colonization you want 10000-20000 ppm of co2. A small amount of GE will let it hover in that range. In fruiting less than 1000 ppm of co2 is ideal, since the atmosphere is around 400 ppm, you're going to need constant fae to keep it under 1000.




Just a hypothetical question, what fruiting chamber gets the closest to that parameter? Does anyone even know?


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: insanemike]
    #21854454 - 06/25/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Updated the op, a few things here and there.



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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: insanemike]
    #21854575 - 06/25/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

This is all speculation, but I'd imagine a sgfc would have the lowest co2 levels, since it functions perfectly with the moving air currents in the room. A mono benefits with a fan, whereas the shotgun doesn't at all.

Also a well dialed in greenhouse would be great too.

In the end all the well tested chambers will keep it below 1000 ppm. However a shotgun is probably the easiest to keep down since it's pretty hard to have not enough fae in it.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: Mad Season]
    #21854645 - 06/25/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

SGFC aren't ideal for bulk growers and probably not much can be done to improve upon its design. A green house came to mind when I asked that question to myself also but from my experience without a $70 cycle repeat timer, those things are tough to dial in and it really makes them less ideal. Culter's on this forum be broke these days, homie. Nah mean? Seriously though,  I believe I can improve the monotub and I'm setting out to do just that.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: insanemike]
    #21854692 - 06/25/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Just saying what has low co2 levels. You're right a shotgun is useless to me now. I mainly do bulk.

Haha I'm broke af. That's why I don't have a green house, but I seriously dream of one. I'm pretty sure frank got his gh done for around 100-200$. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18322939

I'll probably be making one after I get better pcs, and maybe a microscope.

If I get any ideas on the mono I'll tell you for sure :smile: I too want to see if we can improve on the design.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: Mad Season]
    #21854815 - 06/25/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Mike you should look at my hybrid mono hole configuration in my mini monos thread. Pumps out excellent FAE and can be dialed in for less with a piece of tape.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21855084 - 06/25/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Mike you should look at my hybrid mono hole configuration in my mini monos thread. Pumps out excellent FAE and can be dialed in for less with a piece of tape.




If there is a cheapest way of doing things, pasty already has it figured out. :lol: but seriously, I'll check it out. It could inspire me to incorperate it somehow into what I have been brainstorming already. Who knows? All I know is that the first step is dialing in these pp5 bottle, single shot fruiting chambers.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: insanemike]
    #21855209 - 06/25/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Have y'all seen the hole configuration someone learned over at shroomology? He had 1/4" holes drilled just above substrate level all the way around, and taped with mp tape. Then there were bigger holes near the top of the tote with lose poly in them.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: Mad Season]
    #21855243 - 06/25/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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This is all speculation, but I'd imagine a sgfc would have the lowest co2 levels, since it functions perfectly with the moving air currents in the room. A mono benefits with a fan, whereas the shotgun doesn't at all.

Also a well dialed in greenhouse would be great too.

In the end all the well tested chambers will keep it below 1000 ppm. However a shotgun is probably the easiest to keep down since it's pretty hard to have not enough fae in it.



Ive had numerous troubles with oysters in sgfc. A dialed in greenhouse would work.


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Re: Insanely Easy Natural Whole Grain Rice (brown rice) Prep [Re: Grey]
    #21855247 - 06/25/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Have y'all seen the hole configuration someone learned over at shroomology? He had 1/4" holes drilled just above substrate level all the way around, and taped with mp tape. Then there were bigger holes near the top of the tote with lose poly in them.



Ive seen similar builds over the years on many omc sites.


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