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Bridgesii Grafts to Pachanoi
    #21842292 - 06/22/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So I was thinking, I have a lot of young pedros rooting. Also, I have an actively growing 20" bridgesii pup. They are all similar diameter.

What if I cut the top 8" of the bridgesii pup to root on its own? (bear with me)

Then I let the top of the bridgesii callous. Next I take a 2-3 inch slice off the now calloused bridgesii pup and graft it to a young rooted pedro.

What if I continue to let the pup callous, and cut a new 2-3 inch piece each time to graft onto pedro? I should be able to turn my single 20" bridgesii pup into 4-6 grafts and a single 8" rooted plant.

OR I could not cut the top for a rooted plant, and turn the 20" bridgesii pup into 10 or so grafts.

What do you guys think?


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Re: Bridgesii Grafts to Pachanoi [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #21842305 - 06/22/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:popcorn:

Im also interested wondering the exact same thing.

Looking into both this and micropropagation to multiply my stock


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Re: Bridgesii Grafts to Pachanoi [Re: JvF]
    #21844959 - 06/23/15 07:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Has anyone tried this?


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Re: Bridgesii Grafts to Pachanoi [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #21845194 - 06/23/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You want to graft bridge to pach? Unless I am missing something, I think a lot of folks might say it to be a waste of time, since they both grow around the same speed. But it appears what you are trying to do would be use the smallest possible pieces of a limited supply cacti onto what you have a large supply of in an effort to maximize the amount of bridge you have. I'm assuming that's why you are doing this.

Would it work? I assume it would, I don't see why not. Is it the fastest way to produce the largest amount of bridge you can in a given time? :shrug: Who knows.

Maybe someone will pipe in that can compare the growth rates of the two species in relation to each other as well as a possible theoretical growth rate of small pieces of cacti grafted vs larger own-root cuttings.


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Re: Bridgesii Grafts to Pachanoi [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21845342 - 06/23/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You want to graft bridge to pach? Unless I am missing something, I think a lot of folks might say it to be a waste of time, since they both grow around the same speed. But it appears what you are trying to do would be use the smallest possible pieces of a limited supply cacti onto what you have a large supply of in an effort to maximize the amount of bridge you have. I'm assuming that's why you are doing this.

Would it work? I assume it would, I don't see why not. Is it the fastest way to produce the largest amount of bridge you can in a given time? :shrug: Who knows.

Maybe someone will pipe in that can compare the growth rates of the two species in relation to each other as well as a possible theoretical growth rate of small pieces of cacti grafted vs larger own-root cuttings.




You see the overall picture. I have many pedro plants and cuttings (some rooted, others rooting). I have a really nice bridgesii log that put out 5 pups. I took a 19" x 2" branch and 2 8" x 2" pups. The two small pups have already begun rooting. The long one is not in soil, and laid on its side. It has thrown out two additional pups.

The bridgesii has another 9" pup and a 20" branch (exactly like the other two, but have grown more since I cut the other pups)

I figure if I put small middle segments of bridgesii on top of my small pedro tips, that they would pup from areoles (since they are middle slices) and produce new bridgesii columns which I only have a few of.

Either way, based on everything I know about cacti and grafting. It should work exactly the same as any other graft. I suppose if no one has done it, I will do it anyway. I think it is a solid idea.

EDIT: In my environment the growth rate of the bridgesii and pedro appear to be very similar. Both in terms of well established plants outdoors, and how fast the tip cuttings rooted in relation to each other. I am not looking to speed the growth rate, only to increase my number of bridgesii plants.


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Re: Bridgesii Grafts to Pachanoi [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #21845629 - 06/23/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I see. Yeah, I believe it will work. Still not sure I would do it myself though. I mean, when you cut down cuts to just a few inches, down't their growth rate significantly slow? I imagine that might be balanced out by the grafting, but then you are adding a variable of possibly losing grafts. Will it prove to be worthwhile overall? I imagine so, as long as (like you said) you don't expect it to be quite as fast. No doubt, you'll have many more bridge cuttings, but by the time they are all back to a decent size and on their own roots again, would it have been just as fast to let the large uncut cacti pup on it's own and root those pups once they got a few inches long?

It seems you are already aware of all the 'arguments' I am presenting, I am simply mentioning all this for the sake of debate and so both approaches can be weighed. If this is all for science's sake though, go for it and lets see what happens!


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Re: Bridgesii Grafts to Pachanoi [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21845704 - 06/23/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

do you have any grafting experience?

are you willing to potentially accept loss?

I probably wouldn't go for that approach.

but hell, live and learn.


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Re: Bridgesii Grafts to Pachanoi [Re: Rafiikii]
    #21846089 - 06/23/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have done many successful grafts. Plants die, it happens.


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