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Re: 2 charged for trafficking LSD [Re: Toe_Jam]
#21845253 - 06/23/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Toe_Jam said: So a person who literally synthesizes LSD would be given the same charge? (Given that they are in the same state/area.)
Cause I feel like a person who literally manufactures LSD would get a much worse charge.
W/e, I mean, the laws don't make much sense anyway. They're putting people in prison for LSD.
I mean... Comon.
I think it would be the same charge but with a much larger sentence because the amount of doses they'll have in their possession, as well as all the precursors
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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Re: 2 charged for trafficking LSD [Re: Toe_Jam]
#21849246 - 06/24/15 07:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Toe_Jam said: So a person who literally synthesizes LSD would be given the same charge? (Given that they are in the same state/area.)
Cause I feel like a person who literally manufactures LSD would get a much worse charge.
W/e, I mean, the laws don't make much sense anyway. They're putting people in prison for LSD.
I mean... Comon.
You would be charged with manufacture of a controlled substance, you then go to trail and the judge sets your sentance....
William Leonard pickard got 2 life sentences, he was WELL educated, trained at Purdue under Dave Nichols, he was NOT a criminal (in this sense), I think the violent ape distributors, who have to be violent apes as a means of their industry belong in jail, pickard belongs in a lab not a jail cell.
Casey William hardison got 20 years in the UK for manufacture of LSD, 2C-I, MDMA, etc... hardison was an awesome chemist, hes no Albert Hoffman, but was still Damn good at what he did, except in court.....he represented himself and he did a great job, as in he made great points that were logical, reasonable and well thought out, but unfortunately the law doesn't care about any of these things....hardison does NOT belong in prison
Nick sand (fled to Canada when charged) escaped US prison time, was later charged in Canada for similar things, did a small ammount of time and I believe he is free today. Nick sand is an Icon to me, he was responsible for "orange sunshine", he was the first clandestine chemist to synthesize DMT (rather than extract it)
The list goes on.....
All these brilliant individuals don't belong in prison, these are not "speed-cooks" these are talented chemists who were well motivated. I have no respect for "speed-cooks" I have tons of respect for Albert Hoffman, Sasha shulgin, David e. Nichols, nick sand,owsley Stanley, Tim scully, Casey hardison, etc....
Prison is intended for dangerous violent individuals who will victimize anybody for their own gain, not chemists and inner-space explorers.....
If it wasn't for owsley "bear" Stanley, the merry pranksters, kesey, and the dead never would have happened....
Look into the CIA and MKULTRA, this would have been the fate of psychedelics had it not been for the bravery of psychedelic chemists...
E. Borodin
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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http://lycaeum.org/~chemist/
The story in the link above is about "eleusis" an MDMA chemist who was caught manufacturing, it should give you a good idea of what happens when your charged with "manufacture of a controlled substance" and "possession of chemicals with intent to manufacture"
Every case is unique though....
https://www.erowid.org/freedom/police/police_info1.shtml
E. Borodin
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: http://lycaeum.org/~chemist/
The story in the link above is about "eleusis" an MDMA chemist who was caught manufacturing, it should give you a good idea of what happens when your charged with "manufacture of a controlled substance" and "possession of chemicals with intent to manufacture"
Every case is unique though....
https://www.erowid.org/freedom/police/police_info1.shtml
E. Borodin
really good information and I loved the article from erowid  Thanks!
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: hardison does NOT belong in prison
He got out awhile ago, I see him post cool stuff on Facebook all the time. A few months back he posted a ton of neat photos from his lab.
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Nick sand (fled to Canada when charged) escaped US prison time, was later charged in Canada for similar things, did a small ammount of time and I believe he is free today.
Nick is also free, I see him at parties sometimes - usually MAPS events.
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He is fuckin_legend here on the Shroomery. Casey, I mean.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: hardison does NOT belong in prison
He got out awhile ago, I see him post cool stuff on Facebook all the time. A few months back he posted a ton of neat photos from his lab.
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Nick sand (fled to Canada when charged) escaped US prison time, was later charged in Canada for similar things, did a small ammount of time and I believe he is free today.
Nick is also free, I see him at parties sometimes - usually MAPS events.
Thanks for confirming, I knew nick sand was free (he has some excellent writing on psychedelic frontier http://psychedelicfrontier.com/moving-sacred-world-dmt-nick-sand/ but I'm sure you guys have already seen both articles) but I didn't know that Mr. Hardison had been released, so how much time did Mr hardison actually serve? Just out of curiosity....
They still didn't belong in jail, its a skill that should be admired and honored, these people (clandestine psychedelic chemists) are giving all of us access to some of the most beautiful molecules a human mind can encounter, placing people like this in prison is the crime, I'm glad the ones who made it out were able, because the system usually would feel as is it was litterally being dissolved in acid and do all that it could to keep people like this from being able to do what they do...
-E. Borodin
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Alan Rockefeller
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: but I didn't know that Mr. Hardison had been released, so how much time did Mr hardison actually serve? Just out of curiosity....
After nine years, three months, two weeks, and three days, the United Kingdom released Casey from prison on May 29, 2013. He now lives in the state of Idaho.
-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_William_Hardison
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