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Re: The police experiment: will they or won't they [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #21849846 - 06/24/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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if pris honestly believes that whites don't get more of the benefit of the doubt when it comes to not being a threat or having drugs or breaking the law, then hes literally retarded.




Do you know who gets the benefit of the doubt?  Other demographic groups that don't break the law as often!!!

Do senior citizens, children under 10, upper class citizens, and females get the benefit of the doubt?  Yes they do, and it's for very good reason, it's called statistical commonsense.


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Re: The police experiment: will they or won't they [Re: qman]
    #21850061 - 06/24/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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qman said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
if pris honestly believes that whites don't get more of the benefit of the doubt when it comes to not being a threat or having drugs or breaking the law, then hes literally retarded.




Do you know who is gets the benefit of the doubt?  Other demographic groups that don't break the law as often!!!

Do senior citizens, children under 10, upper class citizens, and females get the benefit of the doubt?  Yes they do, and it's for very good reason, it's called statistical commonsense.





you have some damn rose glasses on, do you think just perhaps that same statistical commonsense could actually be ignorance perpetuating that same statistics you hold so near and dear?

or is that a chicken before the egg argument to you?


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Re: The police experiment: will they or won't they [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #21850115 - 06/24/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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qman said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
if pris honestly believes that whites don't get more of the benefit of the doubt when it comes to not being a threat or having drugs or breaking the law, then hes literally retarded.




Do you know who is gets the benefit of the doubt?  Other demographic groups that don't break the law as often!!!

Do senior citizens, children under 10, upper class citizens, and females get the benefit of the doubt?  Yes they do, and it's for very good reason, it's called statistical commonsense.





you have some damn rose glasses on, do you think just perhaps that same statistical commonsense could actually be ignorance perpetuating that same statistics you hold so near and dear?

or is that a chicken before the egg argument to you?





stats are stats.  dont need rose glasses for that.


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Re: The police experiment: will they or won't they [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #21850180 - 06/24/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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ReposadoXochipilli said:
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qman said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
if pris honestly believes that whites don't get more of the benefit of the doubt when it comes to not being a threat or having drugs or breaking the law, then hes literally retarded.




Do you know who is gets the benefit of the doubt?  Other demographic groups that don't break the law as often!!!

Do senior citizens, children under 10, upper class citizens, and females get the benefit of the doubt?  Yes they do, and it's for very good reason, it's called statistical commonsense.





you have some damn rose glasses on, do you think just perhaps that same statistical commonsense could actually be ignorance perpetuating that same statistics you hold so near and dear?

or is that a chicken before the egg argument to you?




Really, how does law enforcement perpetuate a demographic that commits high levels of robbery, rape, murder, sexual assault, physical assault?    All they do it RESPOND to them, they don't force criminals with real victims into the criminal act. :facepalm:


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Re: The police experiment: will they or won't they [Re: qman]
    #21850188 - 06/24/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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qman said:
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ReposadoXochipilli said:
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qman said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
if pris honestly believes that whites don't get more of the benefit of the doubt when it comes to not being a threat or having drugs or breaking the law, then hes literally retarded.




Do you know who is gets the benefit of the doubt?  Other demographic groups that don't break the law as often!!!

Do senior citizens, children under 10, upper class citizens, and females get the benefit of the doubt?  Yes they do, and it's for very good reason, it's called statistical commonsense.





you have some damn rose glasses on, do you think just perhaps that same statistical commonsense could actually be ignorance perpetuating that same statistics you hold so near and dear?

or is that a chicken before the egg argument to you?




Really, how does law enforcement perpetuate a demographic that commits high levels of robbery, rape, murder, sexual assault, physical assault?    All they do it RESPOND to them, they don't force criminals with real victims into the criminal act. :facepalm:





yes, they do!! nana-nana boo boo!! :facepalm:


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Re: The police experiment: will they or won't they [Re: Herbologist]
    #21850281 - 06/24/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yea i can't really even argue with that... i mean really man... look at the drug usage rates across demographics then look at who is in prison for those crimes.

but i guess them boys in blue are like just nearly perfect, just doing their job.


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Re: The police experiment: will they or won't they [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #21850285 - 06/24/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

coke sentencing vs crack, but hey THAT doesn't count bros


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Re: The police experiment: will they or won't they [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #21850611 - 06/24/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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yea i can't really even argue with that... i mean really man... look at the drug usage rates across demographics then look at who is in prison for those crimes.

but i guess them boys in blue are like just nearly perfect, just doing their job.




Lets be honest, who does the vast majority of drug dealing on the streets/bars?  Minorities without a doubt, thus the higher arrest and conviction rates.

I always bought my drugs from whites inside homes/random meeting places, no cops around.


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Re: The police experiment: will they or won't they [Re: qman]
    #21850864 - 06/24/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

q man, are you white? do you live in a metropolitan area?

i am white, and grew up in a very rural area and there was tons of drugs there, bought drugs from people in cars, people in the woods, people at school, anywhere really... so i guess i could buy your argument but i have always known just as many white people that were meth or coke freaks as i have blacks or other people with darker skin.


did you not acknowledge my point about sentencing discrepancies simply because it proves my point of systematic racism in the police or because you felt it was not a relevant point of your statistical logic?

i will say when i have legal trouble 10 years ago the only reason i got drug court was #1 my mom loaned me money for a lawyer, and #2 i was white, dressed and spoke well. they made an exception in my case, i highly doubt i would have that same exception if i didn't have the money for a lawyer or was of darker skin.

just all opinions we make off our own experiences.


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Re: The police experiment: will they or won't they [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #21850992 - 06/24/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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q man, are you white? do you live in a metropolitan area?

i am white, and grew up in a very rural area and there was tons of drugs there, bought drugs from people in cars, people in the woods, people at school, anywhere really... so i guess i could buy your argument but i have always known just as many white people that were meth or coke freaks as i have blacks or other people with darker skin.


did you not acknowledge my point about sentencing discrepancies simply because it proves my point of systematic racism in the police or because you felt it was not a relevant point of your statistical logic?

i will say when i have legal trouble 10 years ago the only reason i got drug court was #1 my mom loaned me money for a lawyer, and #2 i was white, dressed and spoke well. they made an exception in my case, i highly doubt i would have that same exception if i didn't have the money for a lawyer or was of darker skin.

just all opinions we make off our own experiences.




Yeah I'm white, and I have lived in both urban and metropolitan areas. Most whites that aren't hardcore drug users (stoners) don't buy from strangers, they only buy from associates in my experience.

"sentencing disparities (coke vs crack)"

What about all the deadheads locked up for 20 years for LSD/mushrooms/ RC's?  They are all white.  In the 80's it was very common for inner city blacks and their leadership to be big proponents for tough crack sentencing laws, it's only very recently they have acknowledge their miscalculation.

"didn't have the money for a lawyer or was of darker skin"

It doesn't take a genius to realize money is the key for leniency in the justice system, it's about money not race.  You're only speculating that being white was beneficial in your court case, calling someone a racist based on speculation is immoral.


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Re: The police experiment: will they or won't they [Re: qman]
    #21851269 - 06/24/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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qman said:
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yea i can't really even argue with that... i mean really man... look at the drug usage rates across demographics then look at who is in prison for those crimes.

but i guess them boys in blue are like just nearly perfect, just doing their job.




Lets be honest, who does the vast majority of drug dealing on the streets/bars?  Minorities without a doubt, thus the higher arrest and conviction rates.

I always bought my drugs from whites inside homes/random meeting places, no cops around.



Gotta love that white privilege - the freedom to make drug deals without cops around.


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Re: The police experiment: will they or won't they [Re: koods]
    #21851288 - 06/24/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Racism is absolutely ingrained into the justice system.

Qman, be honest, if you were on a jury, you know you would be more skeptical of a black defendant than a white one.


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Re: The police experiment: will they or won't they [Re: koods]
    #21851304 - 06/24/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i shouldn't have come in here but i did. and now my head hurts lol

qman : the dead heads being white really is an orange to an apple situation unless there are black acid heads that did the same thing but only had a fraction of the sentence, see how that differs from crack vs coke?

and how does some black people being proponents for the strict sentencing have anything to do with the fact that it is racist. there are gay republicans that vote against gay rights all the time, does that justify it?

i agree money is the key in our society and justice system, but i would also argue that race and racist ignorant perceptions about race do as well.


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Re: The police experiment: will they or won't they [Re: koods]
    #21851408 - 06/24/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Racism is absolutely ingrained into the justice system.

Qman, be honest, if you were on a jury, you know you would be more skeptical of a black defendant than a white one.




Like most people I believe I wouldn't bring any biases into my decision making on a jury, realistically that might be impossible to do for any person, the key is to acknowledge that everyone has some biases whatever they might be.


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Re: The police experiment: will they or won't they [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #21851462 - 06/24/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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i shouldn't have come in here but i did. and now my head hurts lol

qman : the dead heads being white really is an orange to an apple situation unless there are black acid heads that did the same thing but only had a fraction of the sentence, see how that differs from crack vs coke?

and how does some black people being proponents for the strict sentencing have anything to do with the fact that it is racist. there are gay republicans that vote against gay rights all the time, does that justify it?

i agree money is the key in our society and justice system, but i would also argue that race and racist ignorant perceptions about race do as well.




Well, most people sentenced for LSD are white, while most people sentenced for crack are black, this is a fair comparison in my opinion. Are sentencing laws for LSD mild compared to crack?  Not at all, maybe even harsher. Was the disparity between coke and crack sentencing laws a conspiracy to get more black in prison from the very beginning?  Black leadership didn't think so.

Are you suggesting that the black leadership that advocated tough laws on crack were racist?  They thought at the time they were trying to save their own communities, they were just wrong on their original position, not racist towards their own people.


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Re: The police experiment: will they or won't they [Re: qman]
    #21851820 - 06/24/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

so you don't understand why coke vs crack, the same drug is any different then crack vs LSD... i wish i could believe you are trolling but sadly i doubt it because you exhibit this illogical thought process on a regular basis.

it is like playing whack a mole but with more face palming.


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Re: The police experiment: will they or won't they [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #21851935 - 06/24/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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so you don't understand why coke vs crack, the same drug is any different then crack vs LSD... i wish i could believe you are trolling but sadly i doubt it because you exhibit this illogical thought process on a regular basis.

it is like playing whack a mole but with more face palming.




Since you believe that coke and crack are the same exact thing (up for debate), why do you think the disparity exists?  And who was motivated to do it?


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Re: The police experiment: will they or won't they [Re: qman]
    #21860979 - 06/26/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I am going to do this tomorrow.

I hope they don't beat me black and blue.


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