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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21855616 - 06/25/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Racism is based on irrational emotional reactivity, not science, not truth.




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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21855960 - 06/25/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: Khancious]
    #21857550 - 06/25/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Troublesome_Inheritance

This guy argues because of things like only the aristocracy in Jewish cultures being able to afford offspring that the intellectual might of Jews like Einstein, the early quantum physicists, today's mathematicians, etc. is explained through genetic inheritance.

He also argues whites are more graceful or have a higher sense of comradeship because of how they chose to survive in Europe.

Something like that. Many scientists were distasteful of the book, probably because they were defending the values of their culture? Or perhaps something else.

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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: circastes]
    #21859193 - 06/26/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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MarkTheGnostic the accuser, still supporting the KKK by sustaining the polarity.




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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: circastes]
    #21859281 - 06/26/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #21859338 - 06/26/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:satan:  As a Satanist it is my duty too shine a light.  :rofl2:  Fire, more like it.  :hellfire:  :lol:



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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #21861871 - 06/26/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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man who cares

Psychotic people that have very sad ideas and cause harm is one issue. Racism is a separate subject and it is time to stop limiting the racial experience to the shadows. We all each have our own racial experience/perspectives and these perhaps have more relevance than star signs. Individuals have racial experiences. When a black individual rises up and makes a statement against psychotic white police men or random killers, this is a racial experience happening for the entire world to see all the time, if one chooses to look. What of the issues that mass murderer D. Roof was concerned about? We won’t touch these issues because they are mass murderer issues?  No the issues are separate and should not be confused. In any case obsessing over black on white crime is looking at a symptom not a solution; this is why this tactic has not gotten ‘the right’ anywhere.

For some reason I have to point out that if race did not exist it would be impossible for a black man to speak out against violent white police officers.

How we love to remind each other; “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” – Albert Einstein.

How long has society been repeating the same tired racial mantras? Has anyone’s racial experience improved? Has anything improved? Looks to me like people are still confusing innocent racial experience with bad ideas and psychotic violence. Violent criminals be publicly named as violent criminals and brought to justice. Tearing the civilisation down peace by peace because of faulty thinking on race is not making the world a better place. Perhaps time to allow some new ideas.

For all the talk of boundary dissolving perception, there are plenty of boundaries firmly being kept in their place. I speak about real issues that affect white Men and boys, because I care. I stay away from worrying about black on white crime because that issue is just another polarity and that tactic that would be repeating the same thing/insane.

What is the issue facing white Men and boys? We are not a tribe. There is some truth in the statement there is no such thing as race. There is no such thing as the white race or community for that matter. The nuclear family means white men and boys don’t have people. White people got disconnected from their ancestors via religion. The vast majority do not care to know themselves, their roots, where they came from. These inclinations are not fostered at home or at school. There is no healthy uplifting racial dialogue for white boys. There is something missing in the hearts of white men and boys.  The soul yearns for spiritual reason and experience. But what society has been feeding white men and boys is a racial void. Bad ideas and violent crimes are not a sign that we are thinking right. Anti-racism has been around for some time now, it has been enforced, and it is not working.

Time to tell new racial stories that contain reason, mystery and wisdom. Deconstruct the sick anti-racist paradigm that murders the soul of white men and boys. In this society it is a crime for a white man to stand up and care about his people. There are sanctions against caring white men. I am the caring racial voice in the wilderness.  I am saying get some thought experiments going and come up with a better way.

What is evil about a man expressing the desire to be separate? Who is anyone to judge the desire for segregation? White men want it. Black men want it. Space too for non-racists.  Do we care about what men want? Let free thinkers think freely.

At this point in time the media seem to be controlling the racial dialogue. Racism is the Satan of secular society. Brake away from this dialogue. It sucks.  Insults are comedy to me. Inaccuracies are comedy to me. People get me wrong, just don’t understand, and assume that I am a NAZI. I was once, dissolved those boundaries. I wear their insults and inaccuracies with pride, cause I’m still laughing. As a Satanist it is my duty too shine a light.

Mostly no responses to my points of view, rather deflection. MarkTheGnostic the accuser, still supporting the KKK by sustaining the polarity.



Considering black slavery in America has been abolished, I'd say we have come a long way in terms of racism.  Look at the actions, rather than words.  I am a white man and there is nothing missing in my heart.  I think you are the white boy with something missing, and are therefore projecting that onto the world.  Everyone does that in some way.


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: Jufin]
    #21862343 - 06/27/15 12:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm exploring the cause of why many white kids become either over sensitive anti-racists that hate or why they get stuck with destructive white supremacy. This is my conclusion. I have been both anti-racist and a neo-nazi, yes my heart was empty, raised in extremist christian family and the cultural void of secular schooling. My main symptom was really just the desire to become whole through female companionship, or to find a mother figure, that was painful. I understand healthy Christianity now. I don't understand the secular cultural void, the disconnection from a whole lot of better ideas than hateful use of symbols or the empty tolerance ideology. I have a chip on my shoulder over the state funded cultural input for Maori and Pacific islanders in New Zealand and the big nothing for white kids. My introduction to race consciousness was the social studies class on neo-nazis and KKK during a time of being forced to participate in brown culture with the kids that were beating the crap out of me for being white because I stole their land. And the socially expected response is not to give a shit.

I don't get why MarkTheGnostic makes a point of informing us all of the existence of white hate groups. Claiming there is no such thing as race but only white people have hate groups. I know that hate groups are a human condition. I speak about being white and male because this is what I know. Others may speak for themselves. But I communicate and this is what non-hating blacks have to say.
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pop culture very entertaining. How about the u.s has caused the death of millions world wide. How about this list mr white supremist atomic bombs dropped on civilians in japan, millions of civilians dead in Iraq and Afghanistan. U.s sanctions in Cuba killed thousands. Infecting hundreds of blacks with syphilis with no cure given. Transplanting homosexuality around the globe bankrupting whole countries. I can go on for days but to you Mr white supremist only white lives matter. I hate your wicked ass culture.




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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21862501 - 06/27/15 02:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Shining a light.

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Have you ever thought to yourself, "I never existed for all of eternity, then I woke up and here I am! But soon I'll be dead and gone forever." In the meantime does it really make any sense to worry about all this stuff that no one has any control over? I am a white racist. I know where you are coming from. We get addicted to studying all the evils that threaten and harm us and our people, we feel the pain of our kind and we hate the enemy. It is cool for a while but it gets old, look after your health my friend, stress causes heart dpsease. In days of old our ancestors did not worry about all evil, they just walked over the hill and slaughtered their neighbours for fun, something to eat, they celebrated war for wars sake. They had war dances, war gods, war stories, war traditions, weapons, training and a natural inclination to kill, capture and enslave. There have always been tribes that decided to go pacifist. They just got eaten without a fight. Warrior to pacifist, "I can cleave you in half with my axe without flinching." Pacifist to warrior, "You may cleave me in half with your axe without flinching."


I am no supremacist. I'm inferior. Iambaal is way smarter than I am. I read books, have access to all the same resources he does but I can't be fucked getting a job, I can't assemble my thoughts to make a video and I can't get laid. Whatever my convictions about which lives matter, it makes not one iota of difference to anything. The world is way bigger than anything I can change, my little toe nail can't control the weather, or what so called america does. It's not america doing anything man, its gangs of psychotic criminal overlords and I am not in their club. I'm not in their club. They are not america. Don't let them be america. They are a bunch of cunts. Ignor them or go to war with them.  They are not all white are they! Remember the Jews In de-skys. The bankers, politicians, the President. If Blacks are so righteous and whites are the devil then why does Iambaal worship the devil and why did a black man join the club? You can't be president without joining the club. White America? What the fuck is white about it? The whites have spent generations singing up a rainbow la la land, this and the JEWISH STONER Jesus fucking christ superstar is the shit culture I inherited. I fucking hate that wicked ass culture. Jesus is no white god, but I got so bored of hating Jesus that I stopped minding him. Don't mind me, I'm just thrilled to see that blacks and neo-nazis are just as bad as anti racists. It's a fucking gang psycho hate fest and I hate to see you lost in these far out conspiracy theories man, cause I care about your life man. You are america. We all become what we hate.


i know satanists don't worship the devil, it was a joke. then again, why not worship the devil? Racism is the secular devil. I'm into racism. I'm down for some racist discussion. I don't have the urge to kill, capture, rape or enslave anyone, though I am compelled to be impolite. We all die. It worries us deep down. What is the real source of the sense of darkness? Fear, injustice, victimhood, resentment. Not understanding your own shadow. Not understanding your own shadow.




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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21862648 - 06/27/15 04:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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There is no reason that white supremacy has to be evil, stupid or harmful.

...which begs the question as to why these ethnic subgroups more than others tend to demonstrate substandard moral development. And as Jean Piaget and Lawrence Kohlberg amply demonstrated, moral development is a subset of cognitive development.





This IS the question that I am addressing. Obviously it is very challenging for me to articulate my main theory. The cultural void (Christianity and/or Secular Rainbow La La Land) develops hateful kids. The family and system fail to provide cultural resources. The trappings of extremism are the moldy crumbs that attract neglected generations. Surely

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There is no reason that white supremacy has to be evil, stupid or harmful.


This statement suggests you are misusing the meaning of reason. The statement is unreasonable. It flies in the face of reality, given the obvious history behind "white supremacy." The statement is an example of obvious untruth, inaccuracy, and illogic. There is no biological basis for different races. Every human being belongs to ONE race - the human race. Physical differences are topical superficialities of appearance: epicanthic folds on the eyelid or none, eye colors from almost colorless Albino to pale blue to grays to green to ambers, to browns. Hair from Icelandic white and straight to numerous shades of blondes, reds, browns, and black. Textures from coarse to fine, straight to wavy to curly to kinky. Skin melanin content ranges from translucent Icelandic to black Aborigine. Height ranges from African Pygmy to the Dutch.





Never the less, each and near every nation/race is racist. It is a ridiculous proposition that whites are any more or less racist than any other race. All peoples and  Nations peddle their version of fear and hate inducing crackpot racial dialogues. The rainbow la la land does not exist. It is just another collection of fear and hate inducing crack pot conspiracy theories. Only this brand is the mainstream. MSM is no different to any of the counters in this thread. It induces fear and hate. Anti racism is just the same as racism. Only it is the power. Its a horrible program, dreadful story, a denial of reality.

Shit, the most vulnerable and powerless whites are raised in a world of hostility and shame, with western values portrayed as an embarrassing evil. A curriculum of cultural connection and awareness for white men and boys is my humble dream. Not as if I'm asking for a white separatist south island or anything.


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #21862932 - 06/27/15 07:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I have a chip on my shoulder over the state funded cultural input for Maori and Pacific islanders in New Zealand and the big nothing for white kids.







Mate. The vast majority of our school classes are taught in English (a white man's language). The main sport here is rugby (a white man's sport). The major cultural traditions here are Western literature (Maoris didn't have writing), Western music, and Western art. The white man dominates this country so completely that almost everything here is for us. I don't begrudge Maoris and Islanders a few crumbs.

Realistically most Maoris are white people anyway, in thought if not skin colour.


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: viktor]
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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #21867182 - 06/28/15 03:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm exploring the cause of why many white kids become either over sensitive anti-racists that hate or why they get stuck with destructive white supremacy. This is my conclusion. I have been both anti-racist and a neo-nazi, yes my heart was empty, raised in extremist christian family and the cultural void of secular schooling. My main symptom was really just the desire to become whole through female companionship, or to find a mother figure, that was painful. I understand healthy Christianity now. I don't understand the secular cultural void, the disconnection from a whole lot of better ideas than hateful use of symbols or the empty tolerance ideology. I have a chip on my shoulder over the state funded cultural input for Maori and Pacific islanders in New Zealand and the big nothing for white kids. My introduction to race consciousness was the social studies class on neo-nazis and KKK during a time of being forced to participate in brown culture with the kids that were beating the crap out of me for being white because I stole their land. And the socially expected response is not to give a shit.

I don't get why MarkTheGnostic makes a point of informing us all of the existence of white hate groups. Claiming there is no such thing as race but only white people have hate groups. I know that hate groups are a human condition. I speak about being white and male because this is what I know. Others may speak for themselves. But I communicate and this is what non-hating blacks have to say.
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pop culture very entertaining. How about the u.s has caused the death of millions world wide. How about this list mr white supremist atomic bombs dropped on civilians in japan, millions of civilians dead in Iraq and Afghanistan. U.s sanctions in Cuba killed thousands. Infecting hundreds of blacks with syphilis with no cure given. Transplanting homosexuality around the globe bankrupting whole countries. I can go on for days but to you Mr white supremist only white lives matter. I hate your wicked ass culture.






I reckon you just need to sort yourself out and find your own path in life, create your own opportunities and not expect things to happen to you simply because you think it's fair and just, and you'll stop caring about all this crap.  Think about it, we live in a paradise.  Compared to war times, this is what the allies fought for.  Freedom, not fascism.  You can always look for problems in your life and society but in terms of your situation in relation to the rest of the world and past history, you're in a fucking great situation and are acting like a whiny little boy.


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: Jufin]
    #21867260 - 06/28/15 05:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Caring about a bad situation and wanting to reinvent it through dialogue is acting like a whiny little boy? Racism is a shadow. Shadows are irresistible to me. I was the alternative right wing resistance, now I am a whiny little boy. Shit, I'm not blaming anyone. I'm not repeating the usual patterns haven't you noticed? I want a better way.

Anti-racism is as intolerant as good old fashioned racism. Anti-racism has failed. We cannot solve racism through anti-racism. Reality is mutable? Well racists of all races can learn to respect each other and work together with non-racists. I'm not advocating separatism on earth. If humankind can build infinite living space out of light in space then there is room for every one and every group too go their own way. I am not crying about anything. I love this world.

So now the shaming starts. You can't shame me. I know I'm a whiny little boy and I don't give a shit. Try and come up with an original thought. I am doing better now than I ever have before. What I consider western culture is not mainstream NZ. In fact mainstream NZ is just plain shallow. It is a cultural void. I'm concerned that the kids being set up to become white power types are wasted potential and a symptom of a collective mental illness.

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Mate. The vast majority of our school classes are taught in English (a white man's language). The main sport here is rugby (a white man's sport). The major cultural traditions here are Western literature (Maoris didn't have writing), Western music, and Western art. The white man dominates this country so completely that almost everything here is for us. I don't begrudge Maoris and Islanders a few crumbs.

Realistically most Maoris are white people anyway, in thought if not skin colour.




As to NZ being completely dominated by Western Culture. Hmmmm. Am I confusing my own inability to connect with mainstream NZ as an unconscious decline of a system that resulted in my ignorance? Shit their was no initiation into anything, apart from being Baptized but that was utterly nothing. Either I am mistaken here or perhaps the more soulful white kids really do need something deeper. Something more specific, invigorating, something that is sacred and uniquely ours. In the complete absence of the scared, we fall and fall and fall again.

The English language the school books is very anti-western. Rugby is utterly meaningless to allot of people. In high school I was reading Steven King. It's ok but just more banality. No connection to things ancient, no possibility of becoming an astronaut. I'm 38 years of age and I only recently learned that England abolished slavery throughout its colonies. There is no moral high ground in this or anything, it just happened like the weather. English words in school are used to paint whites as the undeserving beneficiaries of pure evil and exploitation.

To my black racist brothers complain about slavery, how do we even live in a world where slavery is considered evil and illegal? Slavery was normal before England. Slavery is extremely profitable and England had no reason to shed blood too liberate slaves. I don't expect a pat on the back but this mainstream culture of white shame that comes from these English school text books is very humble. A little too humble. Their are many sins of omission.


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #21867376 - 06/28/15 06:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Caring about a bad situation and wanting to reinvent it through dialogue is acting like a whiny little boy? Racism is a shadow. Shadows are irresistible to me. I was the alternative right wing resistance, now I am a whiny little boy. Shit, I'm not blaming anyone. I'm not repeating the usual patterns haven't you noticed? I want a better way.

Anti-racism is as intolerant as good old fashioned racism. Anti-racism has failed. We cannot solve racism through anti-racism. Reality is mutable? Well racists of all races can learn to respect each other and work together with non-racists. I'm not advocating separatism on earth. If humankind can build infinite living space out of light in space then there is room for every one and every group too go their own way. I am not crying about anything. I love this world.

So now the shaming starts. You can't shame me. I know I'm a whiny little boy and I don't give a shit. Try and come up with an original thought. I am doing better now than I ever have before. What I consider western culture is not mainstream NZ. In fact mainstream NZ is just plain shallow. It is a cultural void. I'm concerned that the kids being set up to become white power types are wasted potential and a symptom of a collective mental illness.




Anti-racism is as bad as racism.  It's like religion vs atheism.  Same idea, different details.  I am racist by natural instinct, or possibly it is culturally bred.  Nature vs nurture.  I watch myself think racist thoughts, and then I convert that thought through my part of the brain that takes into account that current day civilisation is different than it used to be.  I accept my racist thoughts, and I simultaneously think that some of these instincts are no longer valid.  Perhaps they are, perhaps they aren't.  I take it on a case to case basis and try to stay in the moment.


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: Jufin]
    #21869211 - 06/28/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

there is an english historian from the mid 1800's that i was reading name Edward Creasy.  He seemed to believe that the races could be classified as either European, Semetic, or Oriental.  (he either didn't include black africans, or he lumped them in with the Semetics, i can't remember)
Basically, his theory was that each racial group was allotted their own period of ascendency in history, with the Semetics going first, followed by Orientals, with Europeans ascendant in the third age(about 400 B.C-now) someone once told me that that was a common viewpoint in the mid 19th century amongst european historians


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: Jufin]
    #21869231 - 06/28/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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It's like religion vs atheism.




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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21869244 - 06/28/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Right, thanks for clarifying.


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: Jufin]
    #21869251 - 06/28/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The opposite of religion is rationality. :yesnod:


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21869501 - 06/28/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm somewhere in the middle of those 2 extremes.


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