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Offlinecircastes
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Why white supremacy?
    #21840150 - 06/22/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Why do extremists like their own race so much? Why not obsess over kill-death ratio in Call of Duty or Chinese food, or the political stage... what makes race come forth out of the depths of the mind as being significant?

Discuss.


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: circastes]
    #21840192 - 06/22/15 12:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

humans are tribal creatures bro. we cluster in groups and identify our own group as "us", and other groups as "them". race is a pretty convenient dividing line between groups, so people use it because its easy.


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21840410 - 06/22/15 02:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I once did pretty in-depth thread here on groups. I believe I used the mathematical term of sets.

Let's say Person A is black and hate whites and Person B is white and hates blacks. The distinct sets between us and them is pretty clear from both perspectives. Now let's place Person A and Person B on the front lines of the same side in a dangerous war. They will both covertly redraw the lines of the set to incorporate a new 'us vs. them' if only temporarily.

That new bond may or may not override previous programming and could revert.

If people could ever grok the hippie Buddhist thang of "It's all us, man!":hippie: then we could finally cooperate. Seems we are not yet ready until a few more major catastrophes force us to unite.

Until that time, we shall never leave the planet in more than exploratory probes here and there.

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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21840578 - 06/22/15 04:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I am a racist who grokkks that we are all one. I'm racist by default, being a white heterosexual male I am in the privileged position of never being targeted by racism as all other races are incapable of racism. I am also the designated misogynist in the privileged position of never being the target of misandry as women are incapable of hate. My comments are to be disregarded as I can only think in terms of racism and misogyny, that my friends is how we white demons are wired. Yes we are all one, racism is the funniest shit.

What is white supremacy? When did it exist if it ever did? Real verifiable white supremacy? In history, England controlled 1o,ooo,ooo miles of territory governing some 4oo,ooo,ooo non-Anglo-Saxon people. England policed the globe, what did she do with her power? She outlawed slavery. In a world where slavery was completely normal the world over, England to the very extent of her powers set about banishing slavery. For no reason. Completely random. Human nature was fully involved. At the height of white supremacy England dispatched her armadas to blockade the African continent. English soldiers boarded slaver ships and engaged in bloody battles then liberated the slaves. The Union Jack, the original white supremacist flag of liberation.

Why white supremacy? Because England really did stand for freedom and this freedom met with resistance. Resistance that could only be put down via war. The Black elite had been selling slaves for centuries before the liberating forces of white supremacy arrived in Africa.

I know its not so black and white, but I felt like weaving a nice racist story that is at least really nothing to get upset about. We are all one right?


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #21843583 - 06/22/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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What is white supremacy? When did it exist if it ever did? Real verifiable white supremacy?




I think the doctrines that inspired Dylan Roof to do what he did would be classified as white supremest ideology.

Sure, there is plenty of racism against white people.  But then again, much of this current debate is centered around the United States where historically black people have been subjugated by whites and the effects of that linger on to this day.


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: circastes] * 1
    #21843986 - 06/22/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It is social identity at its worst. It is the opposite of universality which is expansive of identity as a citizen of planet Earth. In White supremacy, not only is one so identified with the incidentals of one's appearance, and one's constrictive parochial culture, but there is xenophobia (fear of strangers) and a basic inability to leave one's comfort zone, whatever and wherever that is. Then there is the poor self-esteem issues where you find some 4th grade drop out Ku Klux Klansman living in a dilapidated trailer surrounded by rusting discarded household appliances and derelict cars. But the inhabitant believes that his light-colored skin somehow makes him superior to a Harvard Law School graduate, former head of the Harvard Law Review, and two-term President of the United States who has actually done some good politically. The irrationality of it is that the self-proclaimed superiority is based not upon achievement, but upon something as simple and accidental as skin color. The most pathetic and puerile way to make oneself feel good is to put someone or some group down. I saw it in middle school among the less-gifted students. They hated the prettier, more handsome, more academically oriented, more popular, more athletic students. These were the bullies, universally suffering from piss-poor self-esteem yet attempting to compensate by being the meanest, baddest, most promiscuous, most intoxicated AS IF these were the things to build self-esteem on.


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: circastes]
    #21844356 - 06/23/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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circastes said:
Why do extremists like their own race so much? Why not obsess over kill-death ratio in Call of Duty or Chinese food, or the political stage... what makes race come forth out of the depths of the mind as being significant?

Discuss.




It's called a status prop.... Even if you are a homeless, alcoholic bum, at least you can hold on to the fact that you're not a goddamn *@$*#$#*$


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21844407 - 06/23/15 01:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Racists have the mistaken assumption that their race is Yang and the other races are Yin. They are not. Humans are humans, when we are alive we are Yang, when we are Yin.

Black yields to White in symbolism bur race stands apart from it.

Africans are the most rubust and genetically diverse people, thats highly Yang, yet they are the most maligned.

But then again, racists of any race are HIGHLY Yin, constantly whining about how their race is in danger, seeing the other as a threat.. If you see a race as a threat you are Yin to them, at least from your side of things.

Maybe racism is like penis envy. Envy of the Yang.


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #21844422 - 06/23/15 01:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Racists have the mistaken assumption that their race is Yang and the other races are Yin. They are not. Humans are humans, when we are alive we are Yang, when we are Yin.

Black yields to White in symbolism bur race stands apart from it.

Africans are the most rubust and genetically diverse people, thats highly Yang, yet they are the most maligned.

But then again, racists of any race are HIGHLY Yin, constantly whining about how their race is in danger, seeing the other as a threat.. If you see a race as a threat you are Yin to them, at least from your side of things.

Maybe racism is like penis envy. Envy of the Yang.




That's not how I use the terms Yin & Yang - more like yin is soft, lunar, feminine persona and Yang is a solar, masculine persona.  If anything I'd figure the racists were lacking yin in their balance.  Too alpha, too much testosterone, too much fuck it or kill it, too yang :shrug:  Not enough social affiliation, a more yin quality....


But what the fuck do I know :lol:


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: Asante]
    #21844472 - 06/23/15 01:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The term racism is confused. The dictionary defines racism as prejudice and irrational discrimination against race. But then if a white dreams allowed of a separatist white homeland he is shot down as a racist. Then when a black man dreams allowed of 3 black separatist American states that he is not considered racist. there used to be actual non racists, the ones who refuse to acknowledge the existence of race, whereby any discussion of race is considered racist. This actually makes sense to me. I do not believe it makes sense for the term racism to mean prejudice or discrimination. I consider myself a racist because I acknowledge that race exists and I want to talk about it. I find myself in agreement with Black racist video produces. Only when everyone is free to be racist will races be able to work together. Non-racism would be nice, except racism is not going away, integration will never happen and race does in fact exist.

White trash KKK kids are a product of there being nothing for them. A state funded manifestation of an empowering and constructive white curriculum would prevent this problem. Obama hasn't provided anything for these kids. They live in a void, so when the swastika is discovered it is irresistible. These bad ideas will continue until they are replaced by good ideas. Yet the culture is ancient and rich and there is so much wealth and inspiration that should be experienced. From an intelligent perspective the swastika should hardly be considered offensive.


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #21844986 - 06/23/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:strokebeard:

I don't support supremacy except perhaps intellectual supremacy of Jews and East Asians, but I think something more than just skin color changes have emerged through the ages. Something tells me the racial divisions in the United States are also fueled by core differences in the make up of the being and personality of the races involved. I'm of the the persuasion that we owe much to nature and little to nurture. Then conflicting with this is my notion that personal power can do wonders... hmm yes yes, anyway, it will be interesting to see how race in America plays out. Seems to be a lot of pro-mixing propaganda in American movies and I see it in a lot of Australian advertising (another multicultural society), it really gets to some people and they mix just for the sake of attention. Will they get their way? I don't know. Why are they so keen on erasing race/racial purity? Because that's one more bit of power the ruling parties would like to take away from you - your heritage, so there's nothing like your Irishness or your Congo-ness to fall back on, and instead you are given your value through how much of a career-driven slave you are to society's ideals. Not that society's ideals are terrible, but if you want to be a good ruler in this age it makes sense to remove heritage from the table. You want to control the public's identity through mainstream media and education enforcing its ideals. Hopefully our societies stay strong and do not come to value sheer hedonism, pure pleasure arenas, while the whole world dies. The way I live, so distant from Australian and Western culture, in my own bubble, I'll never know. I just like to observe how the masses are being pushed around...


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: circastes]
    #21845305 - 06/23/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's an evolutionary trait, evolved to eradicate the competition and continue the lifeform most familiar to you.  Human beings are the dominant lifeform, in a certain way, on the planet, and this happened by being the best at killing off any competition.


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: Jufin]
    #21845465 - 06/23/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Exactly right, Jufin.  Humans, by and large, fear and dislike whatever is perceived as different from themselves.  This is ingrained in our very genetic makeup, for the reasons you detailed.


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21845681 - 06/23/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Asante said:

Africans are the most rubust and genetically diverse people,





What's the basis for this claim?



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circastes said:
Why do extremists like their own race so much? Why not obsess over kill-death ratio in Call of Duty or Chinese food, or the political stage... what makes race come forth out of the depths of the mind as being significant?

Discuss.




It's called a status prop.... Even if you are a homeless, alcoholic bum, at least you can hold on to the fact that you're not a goddamn *@$*#$#*$





I agree, that's what it has always seemed like to me.

An interesting point to note is that you seldom hear of a racial 'scientist' throughout history discovering a superior race that he himself (or whatever group he identifies with) isn't a part of.

Interesting how that works. Black physicians seem to have no trouble identifying sickle cell diseased individuals, but somehow this breaks down w/ the racial 'discoveries.'


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: Jufin]
    #21845717 - 06/23/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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It's an evolutionary trait, evolved to eradicate the competition and continue the lifeform most familiar to you.  Human beings are the dominant lifeform, in a certain way, on the planet, and this happened by being the best at killing off any competition.




Why is our pop culture riddled with sexy human beings then? There's plenty of competition to take sperm or eggs yet there's a massive following

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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: johnm214]
    #21845729 - 06/23/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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An interesting point to note is that you seldom hear of a racial 'scientist' throughout history discovering a superior race that he himself (or whatever group he identifies with) isn't a part of.





I believe the authors of 'The Bell Curve' were Americans of European ancestry who identified East Asians and one Ashkenazi Jews as having the highest intelligence.

It is beyond obvious that different genetic lines have very different physical characteristics. What would be amazing is if every diverse group had exactly the same brain processes/structures.


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: circastes]
    #21846545 - 06/23/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

they certainly don't like it when you remind them that "whites" came from "blacks"


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: demiu5]
    #21846797 - 06/23/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

More racial pap. Feel good about yourself now huh? You really showed me, I better STFU cause you've really covered all the angles once and for all.


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #21846824 - 06/23/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ouch, hit a fragile spot?


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Re: Why white supremacy? [Re: Jufin]
    #21846849 - 06/23/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Boring.


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