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OfflineBitter Cactus
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Re: Why does the Pub seem so obsessed with cops killing people? [Re: zZZz]
    #21839737 - 06/21/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Uk just hides it very we'll but u can bet ur ass they are beheading peeps behind ur backs




I don't believe those England stats for a second by the way.


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Re: Why does the Pub seem so obsessed with cops killing people? [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #21839741 - 06/21/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Not many of the police are convicted of murder though. The vast majority of the time these killings happen because cops are defending themselves and have no other choice. They are not just gonna lay down and die.






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Re: Why does the Pub seem so obsessed with cops killing people? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21839742 - 06/21/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

They are just as corrupt, if not more so, than the USA gov, believe or not


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Re: Why does the Pub seem so obsessed with cops killing people? [Re: zZZz]
    #21839750 - 06/21/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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They are just as corrupt, if not more so, than the USA gov, believe or not






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Re: Why does the Pub seem so obsessed with cops killing people? [Re: HatingMeIsEasier]
    #21839756 - 06/21/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

USA is a just a product of uk


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Re: Why does the Pub seem so obsessed with cops killing people? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21839758 - 06/21/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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maybe you should show us the actually statistics for the last 30 years or so





Why, you don't know how to internet?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States
http://killedbypolice.net/


1943 - 2009 ~211 people killed

2012 - 602
2013 - 770
2014 - 1104
2015 - 525, so far.

The early numbers are likely not 100% accurate but that's going from what we know for fact.


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Re: Why does the Pub seem so obsessed with cops killing people? [Re: Shroomism]
    #21839776 - 06/21/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

He knows bro, but he just doesn't want admit it cuz he wants to get the most arguments out of people. In other words, he's just here to bait.


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Re: Why does the Pub seem so obsessed with cops killing people? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21839802 - 06/21/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Not many of the police are convicted of murder though. The vast majority of the time these killings happen because cops are defending themselves and have no other choice. They are not just gonna lay down and die.




:rofl:

You are delusional.























You want to tell me those cops were all defending themselves and had no other choice?


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Re: Why does the Pub seem so obsessed with cops killing people? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21839820 - 06/21/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Why does the Pub seem so obsessed with cops killing people? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21839829 - 06/21/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Uk just hides it very we'll but u can bet ur ass they are beheading peeps behind ur backs




I don't believe those England stats for a second by the way.




They are probably accurate, but skewed to make the US look worse than it is in comparison.:wink:
Note it says England and Wales.
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The United Kingdom is made up of four constituent countries: England, Scotland, Wales (which make up Great Britain) and Northern Ireland. In Northern Ireland, all police officers carry firearms. In the rest of the United Kingdom, police officers do not carry firearms, except in special circumstances.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_firearms_in_the_United_Kingdom

Might be difficult to have "fatal shootings" in the part of the UK that officers specifically do not carry guns unless under special circumstances. :lol:


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Re: Why does the Pub seem so obsessed with cops killing people? [Re: Tantrika]
    #21839841 - 06/21/15 11:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

they have them in other countries, and they mostly take u down when u're sleeping. they;re some sneaky little critters


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Re: Why does the Pub seem so obsessed with cops killing people? [Re: Shroomism]
    #21839879 - 06/21/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Not many of the police are convicted of murder though. The vast majority of the time these killings happen because cops are defending themselves and have no other choice. They are not just gonna lay down and die.




:rofl:

You are delusional.























You want to tell me those cops were all defending themselves and had no other choice?




Do you really have a folder that contains cop killing videos saved for threads like these? Are you that obsessed with cops? Holy hell man.


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Re: Why does the Pub seem so obsessed with cops killing people? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21839883 - 06/21/15 11:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Nope I just search and pull them up, that took me about 30 seconds. I've seen them all already so I don't need to re-watch them to know what they contain.

But way to completely avoid the point.


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Re: Why does the Pub seem so obsessed with cops killing people? [Re: Shroomism]
    #21839920 - 06/21/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Listen man, if the courts decide that these cases are murder and not self defense, then I absolutely agree these cops should go to jail.

Based on what I know about this whole topic, there are not that many cops that actually are convicted of murder. Don't hate the player, hate the game. If you want reform you should be looking to change the laws of what you consider to be murder, not getting mad at cops.

I don't have the time to scan through endless videos of cop encounters with people, it simply is not something I am obsessed with. But overall I just want you to see that cops are not bad people, in these cases they are simply doing their jobs and protecting themselves so they can come home to their families. The cops that actually are convicted of murder deserve every second in jail they get, the others are doing what they need to do to stay alive. Most of these stories I read here have way more to the story then people are willing to admit because they will use any piece of evidence even if it is untrue to support their cop hate.

Let's show a bit of maturity guys and have a balanced discussion here and not just throw hate at the police.


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Re: Why does the Pub seem so obsessed with cops killing people? [Re: Shroomism]
    #21839923 - 06/21/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

he's troll bro. u should have known that. he just brings up subjects that make eveveryone else tick

like for example, if u hate apples, mothafucker will make a thread about how much he loves apples. it's basic common troll sense.


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Re: Why does the Pub seem so obsessed with cops killing people? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21839951 - 06/21/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Listen man, if the courts decide that these cases are murder and not self defense, then I absolutely agree these cops should go to jail.

Based on what I know about this whole topic, there are not that many cops that actually are convicted of murder. Don't hate the player, hate the game. If you want reform you should be looking to change the laws of what you consider to be murder, not getting mad at cops.

I don't have the time to scan through endless videos of cop encounters with people, it simply is not something I am obsessed with. But overall I just want you to see that cops are not bad people, in these cases they are simply doing their jobs and protecting themselves so they can come home to their families. The cops that actually are convicted of murder deserve every second in jail they get, the others are doing what they need to do to stay alive. Most of these stories I read here have way more to the story then people are willing to admit because they will use any piece of evidence even if it is untrue to support their cop hate.

Let's show a bit of maturity guys and have a balanced discussion here and not just throw hate at the police.




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As for why cops are almost never indicted for killing people... here you go, educate yourself

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/12/darren_wilson_no_true_bill_why_cops_are_almost_never_indicted_for_shooting.html
http://www.thenation.com/article/190937/why-its-impossible-indict-cop
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/grand-juries-indict-police-officers-kill-citizens/




I don't just blindly hate all police despite what you cop boot lickers want to think. I respect cops that protect and serve the community as they are supposed to. There are good cops, and there are corrupt murdering scumfuckers.
What I don't support is the murder of people who are unarmed or innocent people, or only committed a petty crime and weren't threatening the officers in any way. Which any sane person would.
Cops playing judge, jury and executioner because they are too scared too actually do their job right, without going to lethal force as the first solution when their lives aren't in danger.

If you don't want to take the time to watch any of the videos I posted then perhaps you shouldn't make blind statements like most of the cops are just defending themselves and have no other choice.
Every video I posted was of an unarmed person being shot and killed by police. Some of them were running away and shot in the back. Some of them committed no crime whatsoever.
The cops were not in any danger in any of them, their lives were not being threatened, and in most cases they were surrounded by other cops as well. They certainly had other choices than to shoot and kill someone who posed no threat.

But.. when all you have is a hammer... every problem seems like a nail.

If more cops were indicted and charged when they killed an innocent person, this wouldn't be such a big problem. But the police protect their own and it's EXTREMELY rare that a cop is ever even charged after murdering someone. They get away with it ALL THE TIME. That's a large part of the problem. You can't just point at the fact that "cops are rarely ever charged with murder".. as evidence that they are all justified.

Some people get killed by police, and it's completely justified. Some people needed to be killed so they wouldn't kill other people. I don't have a problem with those.
But more and more and more frequently, cops are killing people when it is not justified at all. And they usually get away with it. That's why people are "obsessed".


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Re: Why does the Pub seem so obsessed with cops killing people? [Re: Shroomism]
    #21839970 - 06/21/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Listen man, if the courts decide that these cases are murder and not self defense, then I absolutely agree these cops should go to jail.




so basically, "i have no opinion".

ok, then. shhh.


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Re: Why does the Pub seem so obsessed with cops killing people? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21840031 - 06/21/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The reason is because it is the new liberal agenda.  They want to nationalize the police force, so we can have a true police state.


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Re: Why does the Pub seem so obsessed with cops killing people? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #21840041 - 06/21/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

just like gun control right? funny that agenda didn't really happen. it was a reaction, just like everything else.

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They want to nationalize the police force, so we can have a true police state.




explain. you're saying that people who want to stop police shootings, are trying to perpetrate a police state, by being duped, and nationalizing the police force. what does nationalizing the police force even serve the purpose of? what does that do? please explain.

and please, tell us how we're en route to getting to a police state because of people wanting to reduce police shootings, and then tell us how that leads to nationalization.


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Re: Why does the Pub seem so obsessed with cops killing people? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21840068 - 06/22/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Seriously. Every time I check the threads in the Pub there are at least five cop killing threads on the front page.

We get it, cops kill people. Most of the time when you actually find out the entire story, the person killed is usually at fault and there are no charges for the cop because he did the right thing. There are really very few cases where cops are convicted of murder so honestly most of the time they are doing a really good job.

Listen guys, we all are obsessed with finding the perfect bad cop story to make them seem like evil villains. Honestly though it just seems like people have their blinders on and only read parts of the story they want to hear and block out all the parts where the cops were doing their jobs and defending themselves. I have seen people here wish death upon the police for doing their jobs. I have seen people say that cops should only defend themselves if they have actually been shot or shot at. Honestly that attitude is toxic and not helping solve any problems.

Please, can we have more balanced discussions about cops? There are good and bad cops, just like there are good and bad people. For the most part, they are all good people doing the job that I can even admit I would be too afraid to do. They risk their lives and put everything on the line only for people to shit on them and show them no respect. They are people too, you guys need to stop treating them like animals. We need to have an honest discussion about cops and why people here seem so butthurt about them.



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