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By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops 1
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The Guardian compiled a database of killings enacted by police worldwide.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-police-killings-us-vs-other-countries
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It’s rather difficult to compare data from different time periods, according to different methodologies, across different parts of the world, and still come to definitive conclusions.
But now that we have built The Counted, a definitive record of people killed by police in the US this year, at least there is some accountability in America – even if data from the rest of the world is still catching up.
It is undeniable that police in the US often contend with much more violent situations and more heavily armed individuals than police in other developed democratic societies. Still, looking at our data for the US against admittedly less reliable information on police killings elsewhere paints a dramatic portrait, and one that resonates with protests that have gone global since a killing last year in Ferguson, Missouri: the US is not just some outlier in terms of police violence when compared with countries of similar economic and political standing.
America is the outlier – and this is what a crisis looks like.
Fact: In the first 24 days of 2015, police in the US fatally shot more people than police did in England and Wales, combined, over the past 24 years.
Behind the numbers: According to The Counted, the Guardian’s special project to track every police killing this year, there were 59 fatal police shootings in the US for the days between 1 January and 24 January.
According to data collected by the UK advocacy group Inquest, there have been 55 fatal police shootings – total – in England and Wales from 1990 to 2014.
The US population is roughly six times that of England and Wales. According to the World Bank, the US has a per capita intentional homicide rate five times that of the UK.
Fact: There has been just one fatal shooting by Icelandic police in the country’s 71-year history. The city of Stockton, California – with 25,000 fewer residents than all of Iceland combined – had three fatal encounters in the first five months of 2015.
Behind the numbers: A 2013 police shooting in Iceland drew international attention because it was the first of its kind; there had literally never been a fatal police shooting recorded there before two years ago.
In Stockton, Patrick Wetter, Matautu Nuu and Carl Lao were all fatally shot by police in the 64-day span between 6 January and 4 March. According to US census data from 2013, Stockton has a population of 298,118; World Bank data puts Iceland’s population at 323,764 for the same year.
Iceland’s official intentional homicide rate is so low that it does not register in World Bank data on intentional homicides per 100,000 people. For the US, the rate is five per 100,000.
Fact: Police in the US have shot and killed more people – in every week this year – than are reportedly shot and killed by German police in an entire year. The Counted: people killed by police in the United States in 2015 – interactive The Guardian is counting the people killed by US law enforcement agencies this year. Read their stories and contribute to our ongoing, crowdsourced project Read more
Behind the numbers: The Counted database shows that the first week of 2015 had the fewest fatal police shootings of any this year, with 13.
The German Police University concluded in 2012 that German police had killed six people by gunshot in 2011 and seven in 2012.
According to the German data and the Guardian’s count, more unarmed black men (19) have been fatally shot by US police in 2015 than citizens of any race, armed or unarmed, fatally shot in Germany during all of 2010 and 2011 (15).
The US population is roughly four times that of Germany, and according to the World Bank, the US has a per capita intentional homicide rate five times that of Germany.
Fact: Police in the US fatally shot more people in one month this year than police in Australia officially reported during a span of 19 years.
Behind the numbers: The Counted database shows that police in the US fatally shot 97 people in March 2015, the highest one-month total recorded by the Guardian.
A 2013 study from the Australian Institute of Criminology (AIC) found 94 fatal police shootings for the period between 1992 and 2011.
In Australia, as opposed to the US, all police shootings are subject to national monitoring by law. The US population is nearly 14 times that of Australia, and the US has a per capita intentional homicide rate five times that of Australia.
Fact: Police in Canada average 25 fatal shooting a year. In California, a state just 10% more populous than Canada, police in 2015 have fatally shot nearly three times as many people in just five months.
Behind the numbers: So far in 2015, police in California have fatally shot 72 people, according to the Guardian’s database – the most thorough accounting for officer-involved fatalities ever built in the US.
In Canada, reliable nationwide numbers on police shootings don’t yet exist.
But a journalist for the Independent in Canada did combine data from the provinces that report police killings – and extrapolated that Canadian police kill an average of 25 people by gunshot every year.
The US has an intentional homicide rate two and a half times that of Canada, according to the World Bank.
Fact: Police fired 17 bullets at Antonio Zambrano-Montes, who was “armed” with a rock. That’s nearly three times what police in Finland are reported to have fired during all of 2013.
Behind the numbers: Zambrano-Montes was killed in February by officers responding to reports that he was throwing rocks at cars. The incident was caught on video, with 17 shots fired; according to police, “five or six” struck Zambrano-Montes.
In Finland, according to chief inspector Jukka Salmine, police fired just six bullets in all of 2013.
Explore The Counted’s interactive database tracking people killed by police in 2015





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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: Tantrika]
#21838540 - 06/21/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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fuck. cops need to kill more people.
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: sprinkles] 1
#21838577 - 06/21/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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What's your point OP?
Why did you forget to mention that we have a whole cultures of criminal thugs that are armed with guns themselves.
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: qman]
#21838768 - 06/21/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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qman said: What's your point OP?
Why did you forget to mention that we have a whole cultures of criminal thugs that are armed with guns themselves.
Just find the numbers interesting.
The article, if you had read it, does indeed state that: "It is undeniable that police in the US often contend with much more violent situations and more heavily armed individuals than police in other developed democratic societies." In the first sentence of the third paragraph of the story.
In terms of cultures of violence though, it is probably worth noting that the cops in the US do manage to keep violence in check within the citizenry of the country. US citizens only kill each other at a rate of roughly 5 (4.7 apparently) homicides per 100 000 people. Contrasted with the two most violent places on the planet, Honduras (85.5 homicides per 100 000) and Venezuela (53.7 homicides per 100 000), the US provides a great place for citizens to get along with other citizens. (homicide data taken from http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3076470/How-does-country-fare-MURDER-MAP-Interactive-graphic-shows-homicide-rates-world.html )
It unfortunate that the rate at which police officers kill citizens is so high compared to other parts of the world though.
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: qman] 2
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qman said: What's your point OP?
Why did you forget to mention that we have a whole cultures of criminal thugs that are armed with guns themselves.
when something is broke, you fix it.
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: Tantrika]
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SweetLeafSamadhi said: It unfortunate that the rate at which police officers kill citizens is so high compared to other parts of the world though.
What would help is if people knew how to properly behave themselves around police. Unfortunately, intelligence evades the common criminal.
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: akira_akuma]
#21839061 - 06/21/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why did you forget to mention that we have a whole cultures of criminal thugs that are armed with guns themselves.
when something is broke, you fix it.
Like deport the criminal cultures, problem solved.
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: Tantrika]
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: D.M.T]
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SweetLeafSamadhi said: It unfortunate that the rate at which police officers kill citizens is so high compared to other parts of the world though.
What would help is if people knew how to properly behave themselves around police. Unfortunately, intelligence evades the common criminal.
LOL common criminal as in someone who doesn't properly behave themselves in front of police? which is anybody the police choose to spike.
you're certainly common.
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#21839148 - 06/21/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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qman said: What's your point OP?
Why did you forget to mention that we have a whole cultures of criminal thugs that are armed with guns themselves.
You know those other countries all have gangs and even black people too? So you admit that gun control works and the gang members in other countries are far less likely to be armed. A good first step!
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: akira_akuma]
#21839172 - 06/21/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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qman said: What's your point OP?
Why did you forget to mention that we have a whole cultures of criminal thugs that are armed with guns themselves.
when something is broke, you fix it.
What is the part that is broken though? The homicide rate in America is higher than other developed countries of the world, but America also has a huge and diverse population compared to many others. The homicide rate of police officers killing citizens apparently works out to 145 in 100 000 ( Link ) but if that number were lower would it inflate the rate of citizen homicides?
Not being a US Citizen, am very reserved in my examinations and speculations on what is going on -- the numbers are really interesting to me, but do not have any solutions or insights. From the perspective of an outsider looking in, it is kind of mind boggling to see numbers like these. Not knowing what it is like to actually live in the country though, the interest in the numbers is as far as my view of the situation can really go.
Would also be interested to see what rate police officers die in the line of service -- that may also provide an interesting perspective on the issue since exchanges between the police and population do not simply go one way.
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: my3rdeye]
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Why did you forget to mention that we have a whole cultures of criminal thugs that are armed with guns themselves.
You know those other countries all have gangs and even black people too? So you admit that gun control works and the gang members in other countries are far less likely to be armed. A good first step!
They don't have the gang and criminal numbers like we do, not even close.
Since we have so many criminal cultures in the US people do need to protect themselves, don't blame guns for their crimneal owners breaking the gun laws.
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: D.M.T]
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SweetLeafSamadhi said: It unfortunate that the rate at which police officers kill citizens is so high compared to other parts of the world though.
What would help is if people knew how to properly behave themselves around police. Unfortunately, intelligence evades the common criminal.
Was taught from a young age to be compliant with police officers and that they are there in protection of the community -- is the upbringing in the US dramatically different in that regard?
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: Tantrika]
#21839238 - 06/21/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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SweetLeafSamadhi said: It unfortunate that the rate at which police officers kill citizens is so high compared to other parts of the world though.
What would help is if people knew how to properly behave themselves around police. Unfortunately, intelligence evades the common criminal.
Was taught from a young age to be compliant with police officers and that they are there in protection of the community -- is the upbringing in the US dramatically different in that regard?
In some minority cultures the males bring a very aggressive confrontational attitude with any authority figure, with cops being at the top of that list.
Look at the Michael Brown case, he sucker punched and cop and then tried to steal his gun, that's why he ended up shot by a cop that day, does that give a indication of what type of people cops have to deal with in the US?
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: qman]
#21839258 - 06/21/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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dude they go around blasting grannies and soccer moms all the time, what are you talking about?
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: qman]
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SweetLeafSamadhi said: It unfortunate that the rate at which police officers kill citizens is so high compared to other parts of the world though.
What would help is if people knew how to properly behave themselves around police. Unfortunately, intelligence evades the common criminal.
Was taught from a young age to be compliant with police officers and that they are there in protection of the community -- is the upbringing in the US dramatically different in that regard?
In some minority cultures the males bring a very aggressive confrontational attitude with any authority figure, with cops being at the top of that list. ...
That provides some level of insight.
As a relatively well-mannered white male Canadian, presuming it would be comparatively safe for me to consider moving to the United States at some point then? Look a little scruffy and have a funny accent, but no predilection toward violence.
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: Tantrika] 1
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no predilection towards violence doesn't mean shit.
you can be completely calm and compelled to do no wrong, and then be tackled by many brutish idiot's at once. makes no difference.
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: Tantrika]
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SweetLeafSamadhi said: It unfortunate that the rate at which police officers kill citizens is so high compared to other parts of the world though.
What would help is if people knew how to properly behave themselves around police. Unfortunately, intelligence evades the common criminal.
Was taught from a young age to be compliant with police officers and that they are there in protection of the community -- is the upbringing in the US dramatically different in that regard?
In some minority cultures the males bring a very aggressive confrontational attitude with any authority figure, with cops being at the top of that list. ...
That provides some level of insight.
As a relatively well-mannered white male Canadian, presuming it would be comparatively safe for me to consider moving to the United States at some point then? Look a little scruffy and have a funny accent, but no predilection toward violence.
Behave like a civilized person and 99.99% of the time you won't have any issues with the police.
You're greatest concern should be avoiding the areas where the criminal thugs live, not cops.
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: my3rdeye]
#21839504 - 06/21/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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qman said: What's your point OP?
Why did you forget to mention that we have a whole cultures of criminal thugs that are armed with guns themselves.
You know those other countries all have gangs and even black people too? So you admit that gun control works and the gang members in other countries are far less likely to be armed. A good first step!
so I'll tell ya what, come on down and disarm our gangs
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: qman]
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qman said: What's your point OP?
Why did you forget to mention that we have a whole cultures of criminal thugs that are armed with guns themselves.
when something is broke, you fix it.
Like deport the criminal cultures, problem solved.
To where? I think most crimes in America are committed by native US citizens. Does this have racist implications?
What about the police? Where can we deport their criminal culture to? Will you take them Canada?
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: moonrockmushy]
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we'll take em. we don't care about nothing but Habitant soup.
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: akira_akuma]
#21839538 - 06/21/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: no predilection towards violence doesn't mean shit.
you can be completely calm and compelled to do no wrong, and then be tackled by many brutish idiot's at once. makes no difference.
See, this is the kind of sentiment that concerns me. Have never felt this sort of concern in Canada -- any occasions that have involved me encountering police they were always courteous and respectful while talking to me. Have never had an officer lay a finger on me or pull any weapons.
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qman said: Behave like a civilized person and 99.99% of the time you won't have any issues with the police.
You're greatest concern should be avoiding the areas where the criminal thugs live, not cops.
Have family that lives down south, but am told they live in a relatively good area so that is less concerning. Guess it would just be in my best interest to make a few week trip down and get a good feel for things, perhaps that would assuage my concerns.
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qman said: What's your point OP?
Why did you forget to mention that we have a whole cultures of criminal thugs that are armed with guns themselves.
when something is broke, you fix it.
Like deport the criminal cultures, problem solved.
To where? I think most crimes in America are committed by native US citizens. Does this have racist implications?
What about the police? Where can we deport their criminal culture to? Will you take them Canada?
"To where?" Their native homelands.
"Does this have racist implications?" It might.
"What about the police?" Get rid of the criminal cultures and we have much less need tor the police, a win win!!
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See, this is the kind of sentiment that concerns me. Have never felt this sort of concern in Canada -- any occasions that have involved me encountering police they were always courteous and respectful while talking to me. Have never had an officer lay a finger on me or pull any weapons.
in Canada it isn't as purveyed on the news, and it just simply doesn't happen as often. it still does though. take that Toronto bus shooting for example.
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See, this is the kind of sentiment that concerns me. Have never felt this sort of concern in Canada -- any occasions that have involved me encountering police they were always courteous and respectful while talking to me. Have never had an officer lay a finger on me or pull any weapons.
in Canada it isn't as purveyed on the news, and it just simply doesn't happen as often. it still does though. take that Toronto bus shooting for example.
Had to actually google that one, Did you mean this? http://www.torontosun.com/2013/10/22/police-shootings-inquest-jury-to-see-video-of-mentally-ill-man-pulling-knife-on-ttc-bus or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Sammy_Yatim
First one is cop with murder charges after shooting a man with a knife. The drama around it seems to be that he was mentally ill rather than unarmed or non-violent though, so maybe the story you are referring to is something else?
Edit: second one seems to be the problem story.
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"It was later determined that eight of the nine shots fired hit Yatim. Surveillance video suggests that Yatim was lying on the ground when the last six shots were fired."
no, it's not over how he was mentally ill. it was over how the police handled the situation. they had multiple police on scene, and one cop decided to take it to the level of killing the guy on the ground because he wouldn't stop moving.
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: akira_akuma]
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As a relatively well-mannered white male Canadian, presuming it would be comparatively safe for me to consider moving to the United States at some point then? Look a little scruffy and have a funny accent, but no predilection toward violence.
If you aren't a troublemaker and avoid high crime areas, which you can generally just use your eyes to figure out what's an unsafe area in the US, then you are unlikely to have any problems. Even in high crime areas, random acts of violence are rare. By the way, Florida is full of Canadians. Québécois love the Sebring, Florida area I've noticed.
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: akira_akuma]
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no, it's not over how he was mentally ill. it was over how the police handled the situation. they had multiple police on scene, and one cop decided to take it to the level of killing the guy on the ground because he wouldn't stop moving.
Yeah that was my bad, posted before finishing working through the second link; they were two different shootings. Went back and edited my post to fix for clarity a bit.
Can see the issues with the Yatim case -- they even went back and tasered him after the second round of bullets.
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: D.M.T]
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Thank you for the insight DMT.
Somehow Canadians flocking to Florida does not surprise me at all.
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: Tantrika]
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the fact that you have two conflicting stories, with one being fervently abusive of power, in the story's cop's, and the other being a communication of strategy to take down an assailant whom may have been absolutely dangerous, just shows that there is a difference in the two kind of events. then you're left to wonder: which outcome is happening more often.
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: Tantrika]
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damn well i guess everyone else is a bitch except for usa 
seriously tho, where ever u have the most freedom u'll have the most oppression
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: zZZz]
#21839927 - 06/21/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm not so sure about that..
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: D.M.T]
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other people are tho cuz they;re smarter than u
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#21839943 - 06/21/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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When anyone lives the life of a Tuareg from Northern Mali in the US, then we will talk about oppression.
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: D.M.T]
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D.M.T said: When anyone lives the life of a Tuareg from Northern Mali in the US, then we will talk about oppression.
nice false dilemma.
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: akira_akuma]
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He said "seriously tho, where ever u have the most freedom u'll have the most oppression", and I counteracted that with reality.
You may feel oppressed but you're not, and even if you were you definitely have nowhere near the most oppression. You're privileged to live in Canada.
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SweetLeafSamadhi said: It unfortunate that the rate at which police officers kill citizens is so high compared to other parts of the world though.
What would help is if people knew how to properly behave themselves around police. Unfortunately, intelligence evades the common criminal.
Yeah because it's always people that don't know how to behave that get shot.
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: LordSenate]
#21840025 - 06/21/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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SweetLeafSamadhi said: It unfortunate that the rate at which police officers kill citizens is so high compared to other parts of the world though.
What would help is if people knew how to properly behave themselves around police. Unfortunately, intelligence evades the common criminal.
Yeah because it's always people that don't know how to behave that get shot. 
Riddle me this then, out of all the shootings this year by police, how many of them were unjustifiable?
There is a direct correlation with being a dumbass to the police and getting shot by one.
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: D.M.T]
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Riddle me this then, out of all the shootings this year by police, how many of them were unjustifiable?
There is a direct correlation with being a dumbass to the police and getting shot by one.
to your dumbfounded self. there is also direct correlation with police being unable to do their jobs, and apprehend people. they just kill them.
and never is when that is justifiable.
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: akira_akuma]
#21840211 - 06/22/15 12:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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D.M.T said: He said "seriously tho, where ever u have the most freedom u'll have the most oppression", and I counteracted that with reality.
You may feel oppressed but you're not, and even if you were you definitely have nowhere near the most oppression. You're privileged to live in Canada.
i'm not oppressed at all. i keep off the police radar by not committing crimes and leaving any potential stash at home. your brain is seemingly oppressed by thinking you need to take shit up the ass because you didn't follow a singled out police officer's arbitrary line.
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: akira_akuma]
#21840225 - 06/22/15 12:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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My rights aren't being violated by being asked for my ID. It's a reasonable request. I take nothing up the ass, and I have no problem when some other dickhead does.
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: D.M.T]
#21840236 - 06/22/15 12:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah, you're not getting it. you might as well zip it. an ID doesn't get anyone killed, unless by someone who is out of control. people do gt killed for that, hence you're defending out of control idiots. which makes you an....
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Re: By The Numbers: Worldwide Killings by Cops [Re: akira_akuma]
#21841180 - 06/22/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: the fact that you have two conflicting stories, with one being fervently abusive of power, in the story's cop's, and the other being a communication of strategy to take down an assailant whom may have been absolutely dangerous, just shows that there is a difference in the two kind of events. then you're left to wonder: which outcome is happening more often.
Unfortunately am not familiar with Toronto's police to have a real sense of how they operate. Have only spent a couple days in Toronto on various trips back and forth across the country. There could be more abuse of power going on that does not end up with cameras and witnesses.
Have a relative involved with the city police in one of the prairie provinces, which tend to have higher rates of homicide and violent crime than the more developed cities like Toronto and Montréal. Not sure if he has had to draw his gun for anything other than gang violence though.
Interesting chart about crime in Canada: http://www.macleans.ca/worst-cities/
Apparently the prairies are consistently worse for things like murder, aggravated assault, sexual assault, and, well, anything other than Robbery -- Robbery is the only thing in the list that Toronto and Montréal even seem to make the radar on.
Maybe need to move back to Montréal for peace of mind -- seems the more populated cities are significantly safer to live in.
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