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ofzeroconcern
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Conflicting information about mist/fan frequency in a SGFC.
#21837729 - 06/21/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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There are those that say 4-8 times a day, no exceptions.
There are those who say only "as needed" i.e. if they look dry, mist, if they don't, don't.
There are those who say you must maintain 90-99% humidity at all times.
There are those who say humidity dropping below 90 (down to 80 or even 70%) humidity is a GOOD thing, and a huge pinning trigger.
When I don't mist/fan, or just do it once a day, the perlite in my chamber maintains 90-95% no matter what.
Still waiting on pins.
They're Ecuadors, and I've found a lot of people here claim "a cube is a cube, results don't vary that much," but I've also found several posts from people who are/were growing Ecuadors specifically, claiming they are an extremely slow grow. Colonizing AND pinning. So I'm not sure if I'm doing anything wrong. Part of me is telling myself to shut up and be patient and I will have fruits. But there's still that tiny voice that says "What if you're not misting enough? Or worse, what if you're misting too much, and they're not getting dry enough to trigger pinning?"
One thing I will add, is that the current shit-house I'm living in is very, very unsanitary, with MUCH more airborne bacteria/mold than the average house. Because of this, I went an extra mile to "seal" the room. It's fucking sealed, man. One window, which I caked the cracks and holes with spackle/plaster, one door which I surrounded in weatherstripping. Twice.
It's done great at keeping out contams, but part of me wonders if there's just not enough oxygen in there.
Had an idea to crack the window slightly, with a standard window screen. But I'm not sure yet.
I should also mention that the temperature in there is room temperature, which is very hot. It's great for colonizing, but not so great for pinning. I'm talking 80-95 degrees F during the day. 70-85 degrees at night. And there's nothing I can do right now to lower the temperature in there. I have nowhere else to put my fruiting chamber.
Sorry for the long rant. Impatience kills.
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Ikarus
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Re: Conflicting information about mist/fan frequency in a SGFC. [Re: ofzeroconcern]
#21837779 - 06/21/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you're growing from spores just follow generic cube growing specs. As far as misting and fanning, just do it as often as you can without waterlogging the substrate. I got by with two or three times a day when I was using a sgfc. If your humidity is right and you're not seeing fuzzy feet then you're probably doing it enough. Your temps are high, but if you can't do anything about it then just let it ride. Cubes will often grow despite our best efforts at fucking it up.
I saw a video on YouTube the other day where a guy used a 5 gallon bucket with styrofoam liner, a gallon of frozen water, and a small fan to rig up an a/c unit. Maybe try that.
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mushmagic
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Re: Conflicting information about mist/fan frequency in a SGFC. [Re: Ikarus]
#21838161 - 06/21/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You'll get a feel for misting as you go. You want tiny water droplets on it but not pooling. Mist when previous misting has evaporated.
With multispore it's all about genetics and the strains present and how those genetics perform. Which there so many strains present so it's pretty much a crapshoot no matter the variety you choose. For more consistency you will need to get into cloning and isolation.
That's definitely not room temperature tho. I would personally try n keep it around 75 degrees or so.
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Re: Conflicting information about mist/fan frequency in a SGFC. [Re: mushmagic]
#21838241 - 06/21/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why mist and fan a SGFC? I don't have experience but I thought they provide plenty of fae for cubes and hold 99% humidity?
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spacechildo
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Re: Conflicting information about mist/fan frequency in a SGFC. [Re: RyeJar]
#21838295 - 06/21/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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you mist them because they have such awesome FAE. Also a good reason why you should case any trays going into a sgfc IMO!
and to OP just mist as needed (no longer glistening). the number pr day will vary from place to place.
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Re: Conflicting information about mist/fan frequency in a SGFC. [Re: spacechildo]
#21838352 - 06/21/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yep provide the mushrooms with wat they want and in return they'll give you wat you want
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Re: Conflicting information about mist/fan frequency in a SGFC. [Re: RyeJar]
#21838383 - 06/21/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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RyeJar said: Why mist and fan a SGFC? I don't have experience but I thought they provide plenty of fae for cubes and hold 99% humidity?
A SGFC does not hold 99% humidity and you wouldn't want it too. Any chamber that is constantly at 99% RH is going to make a sopping mess out of whatever goes into it. A good fruiting chambers RH should fluctuate between 60-90%. The only place you need 99% RH is about a mm above the sub, think microclimate. This nonsense of needing super high RH throughout a chamber is bs. Best trays I ever saw were fruited in open air with no FC at all.
So people take note: chuck your hygrometers and let the mushrooms tell you what they need. Far more efficient.
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ofzeroconcern
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Re: Conflicting information about mist/fan frequency in a SGFC. [Re: mushmagic]
#21839133 - 06/21/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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mushmagic said: That's definitely not room temperature tho. I would personally try n keep it around 75 degrees or so.
It is in Florida. I have no way to lower temperature in that room.
Friends suggested I move my window unit air conditioner to that room, but it's old and probably full of contams. I would also have to check the temp of the room a lot if I did that. Not to mention, my bedroom would become unbearably hot.
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ofzeroconcern
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Re: Conflicting information about mist/fan frequency in a SGFC. [Re: spacechildo]
#21839151 - 06/21/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: and to OP just mist as needed (no longer glistening). the number pr day will vary from place to place.
For me to do that would mean misting once a day. Maybe even misting once every 2-3 days. My chamber maintains 95% humidity for several days.
But misting once every 1-3 days goes against everything I've been taught by the Shroomery. Mist/fan your SGFC 3+ times a day, every day!
Woe is me!
(sorry if my replies are hard to follow. I just took MDMA)
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Re: Conflicting information about mist/fan frequency in a SGFC. [Re: ofzeroconcern]
#21839169 - 06/21/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've fruited into the 100s. You'll be fine at 80
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ofzeroconcern
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Re: Conflicting information about mist/fan frequency in a SGFC. [Re: ofzeroconcern]
#21839200 - 06/21/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Does anyone have experience with growing Ecuadors? From posts I've read about people growing them, they had similar problems with extremely long colonization, extra long consolidation, and even longer time from birthed to pin.
It makes me not believe in the "a cube is a cube regardless of sub-strain, and they all behave the same" theory that is very often thrown about.
I do recall one post where pinning wasn't happening (with Ecuadors), and he ignored them for several days (in order to lower humidity a great deal) and then voila, pins.
If this is universal for Ecuadors, I may want to follow suit, but there's also the possibility that it was just coincidental, and my particular batch DOES need to be misted daily.
Unless someone in this thread alters my path, my current plan is to just mist them once a day, lightly or heavily depending on the cakes and the chamber itself. For one week. If there's nothing after that, I'm going to assume not enough fresh air in the room itself is stalling them, and I'm going to put up a window screen and crack the window.
I really wish I could keep the room at a constant 70 degrees. It would slow down my colonizing jars, but speed the pinning process. (I am using the same room for colonizing jars and birthed cakes)
But temperature controlling the room is a project I just don't have the time or money for, not for a few months.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Conflicting information about mist/fan frequency in a SGFC. [Re: ofzeroconcern]
#21839220 - 06/21/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nothing is universal. Some varieties may have some tendencies but its really a crapshoot unless you clone or use agar. If your wanting something in particular a better be will always be to isolate or clone for a certain trait(s) and grow the isolate.
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ofzeroconcern
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Re: Conflicting information about mist/fan frequency in a SGFC. [Re: Buck513]
#21839223 - 06/21/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Buck513 said: I've fruited into the 100s. You'll be fine at 80
Yes, but BRF cakes, though? BRF cakes behave differently than casing.
Doesn't high temperatures cause pinning/fruiting to slow down? Significantly?
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Conflicting information about mist/fan frequency in a SGFC. [Re: ofzeroconcern]
#21839232 - 06/21/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No. High temps increase the risk of contams when indoors. These things grow in tropical places that get well into the 100's.
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ofzeroconcern
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Re: Conflicting information about mist/fan frequency in a SGFC. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21839265 - 06/21/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Nothing is universal. Some varieties may have some tendencies but its really a crapshoot unless you clone or use agar. If your wanting something in particular a better be will always be to isolate or clone for a certain trait(s) and grow the isolate.
I've heard fully colonized cakes birthed in the chamber have an extremely low risk of getting a contam. Contams seek out the food source, yeah? Not live mycelium?
I've never gotten a contam on a fully colonized cake. There was one cake that got trichoderma (or similar dark green mold) in the middle of the cake, but upon breaking it open, I saw that the middle of the cake was not done consolidating. There was still a good deal of uneaten rice. I blamed it on the slow colonization of the Ecuadorian strain, as well as low temperatures. (When my first batches were colonizing, it was 50-65 degrees, now that they finally made it after months, it's god damn 90 degrees every day. I must have angered the gods.)
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Re: Conflicting information about mist/fan frequency in a SGFC. [Re: ofzeroconcern]
#21839281 - 06/21/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fully colonized substrates are pretty contam resistant. Some species of mold are predatory and can get a foothold in a sub but it takes time for the most part. But its pretty unlikely anyone has 100% clean cakes or spawn. Most syringes have at least a little bacteria in them, ditto for grains as our sterilization runs do not completely sterilize them, only provide a window to colonize in. Excessively high temps indoors give some of these things an edge.
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ofzeroconcern
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Re: Conflicting information about mist/fan frequency in a SGFC. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21839476 - 06/21/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Fully colonized substrates are pretty contam resistant. Some species of mold are predatory and can get a foothold in a sub ...
But for a fully colonized cake, isn't there no substrate left? In this case, rice flour? Just vermiculite, yeah? I thought fully colonized meant the food was 100% eaten by the mycelium.
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Re: Conflicting information about mist/fan frequency in a SGFC. [Re: ofzeroconcern]
#21839586 - 06/21/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No it takes time for the nutes to be consumed. As it is the cube myc does not consume all the nutrients and other secondary decomposers will move in later. Also trichoderma or verticilium will actually feed off of the cube myc. They are quite predatory.
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