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whats so good about popcorn
    #21836236 - 06/21/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

why do growers like using popcorn? what do people like about it?


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: Ihateyou]
    #21836262 - 06/21/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It is readily available in supermarkets. The moisture content is pretty assured to be 13-14% which is of benefit to me but not most, outside of this range it does not pop well. It is quite clean looking and shakes well compared to lighter less dense grains.

I am not recommending it by the way, and do not use it much.


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: Ihateyou]
    #21836296 - 06/21/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Popcorn can be a good spawn but be careful that you do not let the jars get too hot in the PC.



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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: Srirachi]
    #21836336 - 06/21/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I honestly hate using popcorn for its low nutrients, and it's hard to get the moisture content right. At least that's how I feel.


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: Srirachi]
    #21836341 - 06/21/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Popcorn can be a good spawn but be careful that you do not let the jars get too hot in the PC.





What happens if popcorn jars get too hot?

And why don't you use it much blackout?


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: Charleskun]
    #21836385 - 06/21/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I dislike popcorns low number of nock points and the high cost. Its almost as expensive as RGS. If you cannot find anything else it works but that is all I can say.


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21836389 - 06/21/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's great with butter


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: maddchef]
    #21836410 - 06/21/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Everything is better with butter :awesomenod:


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21836426 - 06/21/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I actually don't really like a lot of butter with my popcorn.


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: Ihateyou]
    #21836491 - 06/21/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: maddchef]
    #21836615 - 06/21/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I used to use feed corn, which is basically the same thing. $7 for 50 lbs.

It's easy enough to prep, just PC it for a half hour, drain an dry.

It just doesn't give flushes like WBS or rye though. It also doesn't colonize the bulk sub as fast.


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #21836918 - 06/21/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

IMO it's the worst choice:shrug:


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: cronicr]
    #21837398 - 06/21/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I like it for making GLC. The large surface area makes for fast colonization and a crystal clear liquid culture. It shakes easy and recovers quickly.

With that said, my experience also says that the lower inoc point count creates slower substrate colonization time. And the low nutrition leads to poor flush performance and yeild.

There are better choices than popcorn. And they cost less.


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #21838151 - 06/21/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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And why don't you use it much blackout?



expensive, takes more time to hydrate, grains are very big so less myc per jar compared to other jars as there is less surface area per gram.


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I like it for making GLC.


This is what I wanted to try, though I have gone off GLCs, I would definitely cook it for a lot longer than normal. It does shake well and does not seem to take on much water easily which is good for GLC. I found other grains got too wet and the GLC jar did not recover well.


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: blackout]
    #21838177 - 06/21/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

With popcorn I've "stripped" it for GLC 3 times without problems. I may have been able to do it again, but didn't want to push my luck.

Each time it recovered within about a week.


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: blackout]
    #21838191 - 06/21/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Popcorn is easy to prep, probably the cleanest spawn you can get. It's more expensive than WBS but still cheaper than rye in some locations. It colonizes quickly and the jars are easy to shake even when nearly full.

It might be lacking in some nutrient, as I've noticed yields are usually mediocre except when used in addition with another type of grain. Also some people have found it difficult to sterilize although I haven't had any major problems.


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: Kizzle]
    #21839349 - 06/21/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Kizzle please change your avatar already, its unsettling still.

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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: blackout]
    #21839566 - 06/21/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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And why don't you use it much blackout?



expensive, takes more time to hydrate, grains are very big so less myc per jar compared to other jars as there is less surface area per gram.


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I like it for making GLC.


This is what I wanted to try, though I have gone off GLCs, I would definitely cook it for a lot longer than normal. It does shake well and does not seem to take on much water easily which is good for GLC. I found other grains got too wet and the GLC jar did not recover well.



There's mycelium inside the grain too and unlike the surface mycelium it doesn't get torn off and stuck to the jar when you shake it. I doubt the surface mycelium even contributes much unless you take advantage of it and make a GLC.


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: Ihateyou]
    #21839796 - 06/21/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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And yours is totally fine right?  :lol:

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Popcorn can be a good spawn but be careful that you do not let the jars get too hot in the PC.





What happens if popcorn jars get too hot?





Lol did you look at the picture?  The popcorn pops.  It's not supposed to do that when you're using it as spawn.


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: Inocuole]
    #21839827 - 06/21/15 11:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

In a pressure cooker the popcorn shouldnt pop at all, regardless of temperature. However, if you were to say, pull the weight off the steam valve, THAT could cause some poppage :grin:


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: matsc]
    #21839859 - 06/21/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I didn't actually think it was possible, I actually thought that was a joke.  Since, if you boiled it like you were supposed to first, it wouldn't be able to pop anyway.


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: Inocuole]
    #21839869 - 06/21/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Actually, im not sure about that. The "pop" is caused by water in the seed vaporizing and bursting out. I wonder if extra water in there would hinder that process....

Damn now I need to find some popcorn to experiment with.


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: matsc]
    #21839872 - 06/21/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well, I've never had it happen but I also didn't do much popcorn since it sucked.


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: Inocuole]
    #21840061 - 06/22/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yes extra water keeps it from popping. Popcorn can only pop if it is in a very narrow moisture content range. They store and dry it until it is in that range, then package and sell.

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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: maddchef]
    #21840117 - 06/22/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah but if you were to heat it up to 15PSI then tank the pressure... that could change the rules. The pressure differential would shock vaporize the water, even in the soaked kernels. I just dont know if the softened seed coat would change the way it reacts to that. And I have no clue AT ALL what the resulting popcorn would look like (I know flash popped normal popcorn ends up more or less spherical, but these soaked seeds would be... odd)


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: matsc]
    #21840127 - 06/22/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think it's safe to assume that it would be a big squishy mess, no matter the result.


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: matsc]
    #21840136 - 06/22/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've used popcorn many times, especially in my beginning stages as a cultivator. I have NEVER haf popcorn pop on me in the jar EVER.

I have microwave popper bowl. If I so much as wipe it out with water and try to use it to pop popcorn without it being completely dry, I get shitty results.


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #21840304 - 06/22/15 01:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If picking it up at a regular store is an issue, Brown Rice is a decent choice @ 66c/lbs.  Supposedly it produces more portent mushrooms, but it can be touchy to prepare.  I burst a whole pot accidentally, but it shook apart after the PC run and was fine anyway.


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #21840615 - 06/22/15 04:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Who said it brown rice produces more potent fruits? That is total speculation.


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21840633 - 06/22/15 04:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Deep, deep, moria deep in one of the V-tek threads someone linked a research paper that said brown rice produced the most potent cubes.

I didn't read the paper, which is why I said supposedly.  I feel like I've heard that bandied about elsewhere too.

I only suggested it as a cheap and reasonably nice grocery store grain to work with, in case any heroes out just got done reading the corn section of Omnivore's Dilemma and want to avoid their trip consisting of geometric arrays of kernels.


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #21840671 - 06/22/15 05:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

IIRC that paper was from the 70's and the researchers in question did not use an isolate for their experiment. Regardless many studies have been done that demonstrate that most fungi's ability to create alkaloids is dependent on their ability to convert nitrogen to triptamine and this is limited by genetics. In some species its also limited by the amount of zinc ions in the substrate. So the arguments that a certain substrate is higher in nitrogen therefore produce more potent fruits are neglecting the fact that much of it is simply not used.

I have run clones across many subs and not found any one to significantly produce more potent fruits. Bashing coir seems to be vogue lately but I have grown many potent fruits on coir. Ditto for most grains. Certainly i have yet to see any major difference between wheat, oats, rye, and millet.


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #21840932 - 06/22/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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If picking it up at a regular store is an issue, Brown Rice is a decent choice @ 66c/lbs.  Supposedly it produces more portent mushrooms, but it can be touchy to prepare.  I burst a whole pot accidentally, but it shook apart after the PC run and was fine anyway.




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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: Ihateyou]
    #21841118 - 06/22/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: Ihateyou]
    #21841871 - 06/22/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah but if you were to heat it up to 15PSI then tank the pressure... that could change the rules.



The PC would have to be operating at 130+ psi for the kernel to explode simply from a release in pressure. In theory popcorn could pop in the PC if the PC ran out of water and the kernels hadn't been hydrated at all but I think whoever took the pic was simply trying to use already popped corn as spawn.


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Re: whats so good about popcorn [Re: Kizzle]
    #21841876 - 06/22/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I think it was popped before it was put into the jar, and probably just for that picture.


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