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Re: 1X salvia = fail [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21829302 - 06/19/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Well, here's a possible explanation as to why my home-grown plain leaf was a failure, and the commercial plain leaf was a success.




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So which one of these is the homegrown, and which is the commercial? I've never ordered any commercial leaf before is why I ask.


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Re: 1X salvia = fail [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21829776 - 06/19/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

homwgrown is probably that bottom one.


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Re: 1X salvia = fail [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21830822 - 06/20/15 12:30 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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It's half-way decent.  A lot of whining about the break-up with his wife is mixed in, but many interesting salvia stories and experiences.

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100% agreed... all that shit about his wife almost made me stop reading... but yeah, the rest is very interesting.

as for having any luck with plain leaf, I worked my way through an ounce of it way back when it first started becoming well known... I definitely got effects, but they were very mild, mostly just that weird feeling of sideways movement with pins and needles very vague CEV's and the sweats, and I had to smoke a LOT to get there... lowest strength I'll bother with now is 5X really.

plain leaf while tripping on other dissociatives can be epic though :thumbup:


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Re: 1X salvia = fail [Re: TrippieHunter] * 1
    #21831216 - 06/20/15 03:46 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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homwgrown is probably that bottom one.




Yup.

EDIT:  Just came back inside from smoking a modest amount of plain leaf.  Holy crap!  This is the way to go.  So much easier to titrate the dosage and not overshoot.  Pretty remarkable experience.  VERY hard to characterize.  It's almost as if all though is silenced, while simultaneously a spinning, anesthetic like thickness creeps into your brain.

It is very much an INTERNAL experience at these dosage levels (2+).  The outside world does not seem to be transformed, and thus far I've not had any visuals that are superimposed upon reality as with DMT/changa.

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Re: 1X salvia = fail [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21831829 - 06/20/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I thought you might say the bottom one - at least I hoped so. All my homegrown looks like the top one. Are your leaves usually that yellow looking on the plant too?


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Re: 1X salvia = fail [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21831852 - 06/20/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

That is just how salvia is. You don't really get visuals per say, but you still "know" and "see". Its hard to explain. Thats how it has always been for me at least. Even on level 4+ trips.


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Re: 1X salvia = fail [Re: d0urd3n]
    #21831873 - 06/20/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I tried to quid some of the commercial material.  No effects that I could determine, but if they were subtle, I probably missed them since I went for a hike with the quid in my mouth and there were a lot of distractions - deer, chipmunks, rabbits, painted turtles, mallards, just to name a few.

I brushed my teeth and tongue beforehand, and put the largest bundle I felt I'd be willing to use in my cheek and chewed it to bits while retaining my saliva and bathing it over my tongue and both inner cheek mucosa.  Nada.  After about 40 minutes of this disgusting process (spitting only once...HAD to!) I think the only way for me to cross over into salvia-land with plain leaf is over the Bridge of Smoke.  If I'm ever flush with leaf material, I may try a tea made in the traditional way.

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Re: 1X salvia = fail [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21832324 - 06/20/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Please do that! That would be very interesting.


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Re: 1X salvia = fail [Re: healing]
    #21832380 - 06/20/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Question: Is there any difference between 20x and 500x? Watching the youtube vids, the people seem to report the same experiences, and exhibit the same behavior. What is the difference??

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Re: 1X salvia = fail [Re: bennylava]
    #21832397 - 06/20/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

The 500x thing is unscrupulous marketing. Don't buy that kind, you will have no idea what that concentration is. Not that it matters, really. You're probably going to get floored either way.


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Re: 1X salvia = fail [Re: healing]
    #21832404 - 06/20/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I believe on their package it says 500xe or something like that and it actually means 50x but im not sure.

anything 20x and above just sounds ridiculous. plain leaf smoked right is perfect IME.

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Re: 1X salvia = fail [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21835444 - 06/21/15 04:10 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

^^^This.  I wish I'd never tried enhanced leaf.  The 20X that I mistakenly thought was pot (which I took two deep hits off of) resulted in an experience that scared the bejesus out of me. I took away nothing from the experience except that salvia is to be equated with terror and dysphoria.

My more recent plain leaf trials has allowed me to temper that opinion and I hope to figure out just what a salvia experience that is not overwhelming can reveal.

Does anyone know if there is a particular way to go about drying or "curing" salvia leaves taken from a live plant?

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Re: 1X salvia = fail [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21835699 - 06/21/15 07:29 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

toadstool5 seems to know a great deal on salvia hit him up.

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Re: 1X salvia = fail [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21835791 - 06/21/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

What about the difference between 20x, and say, 180x? My main question still stands. The trip reports, and the observable behavior, doesn't seem to vary between these two numbers. What is the reason for that?

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Re: 1X salvia = fail [Re: bennylava]
    #21835807 - 06/21/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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S-A-L-V-I-A = Salvia Divinorum Trip Rating Scale

•Level 1 "S stands for SUBTLE effects." A feeling that 'something' is happening, although it is difficulty to say just what. Relaxation and increased sensual appreciation may be noted. This mild level is useful for meditation and may facilitate sexual pleasure.

•Level 2 "A stands for ALTERED perception." Colours and textures are paid attention to. Appreciation of music may be enhanced. Space may appear of greater or lesser depth than is usual. But visions do not occur at this level. Thinking becomes less logical, and more playful; short term memory difficulties are may be noted.

• Level 3 "L" stands for LIGHT visionary state." Closed eye visuals (clear imagery with eyes closed: fractal patterns, vine-like and geometric patterns, visions of objects and designs). The imagery is often two dimensional. If open eyed visual effects occur these are usually vague and fleeting. At this level phenomena similar to the hypnagogic phenomena that some people experience at sleep onset occur. At this level visions are experienced as 'eye candy' but are not confused with reality.

•Level 4 "V stands for VIVID visionary state." Complex three dimensional realistic appearing scenes occur. Sometimes voices may be heard. With eyes open contact with consensual reality will not be entirely lost, but when you close your eyes you may forget about consensus reality and enter completely into a dreamlike scene. Shamanistic journeying to other lands, foreign or imaginary; encounters with beings, entities, spirits; or travels to other ages may occur. You may even live the life of another person. At this level you have entered the shaman's world. Or if you prefer you are in ''dream time'. With eyes closed you experience fantasies (dream like happenings, with a story line to them). So long as your eyes are closed you may believe they are really occurring. This differs from the 'eye candy' closed eye imagery, of level 3.

•Level 5 "I" stands for IMMATERIAL existence." At this level consciousness remains and some though processes are still lucid, but one becomes completely involved in inner experience and looses all contact with consensual reality. Individuality may be lost; one experiences merging with God/dess, mind, universal consciousness, or bizarre fusions with other objects real or imagined, e.g. merging with a wall may be experienced. At this level it is impossible to function in consensual reality, but unfortunately some people do not remain still but move around in this befuddled state. For this reason a sitter is essential to ensure the safety of someone voyaging to the inner levels. To the person experiencing this, the phenomenon may be terrifying or exceedingly pleasant; but to an outside observer the individual may appear confused or disoriented.

•Level 6 "A stands for AMNESIC effects” At this stage either consciousness is lost; or at least one is unable to later recall what one is experiencing. The individual may fall, or remain immobile or thrash around; somnambulistic behaviour may occur; injuries can be sustained without pain being felt; on awakening the individual will have no recollection of what he/she did, experienced or said in level 6. People cannot ever recall what they experience in this very deep trance state. This is not a sought after level as later nothing can be recalled of the experience.




level 6 is why.

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Re: 1X salvia = fail [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21839131 - 06/21/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Does anyone know if there is a particular way to go about drying or "curing" salvia leaves taken from a live plant?

N.B.




I've had success just placing on a wire rack and letting air dry by itself back in the day, but have since moved onto a low setting dehydrator....

Never really thought about curing or anything like that... Now that you mention it, I wonder if it does make a difference.


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Re: 1X salvia = fail [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21841426 - 06/22/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Makes a difference with Mary Jane....


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Re: 1X salvia = fail [Re: TrippieHunter]
    #21841540 - 06/22/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I was under the impression that curing is for flavor and burn, not for potency. So it seems irrelevant for salvia. I just let mine air dry or throw in dehydrator for a bit.


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