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Badazz460
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Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell. Are they contaminated?
#21835685 - 06/21/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey sorry if this isnt the correct forum im new. I recently finished caking my cubensis ecuador. And put them in the fruiting chamber a week ago. They smelled like rotting yeast from the start but after seeing the possibility of bacterial infection i am now starting to fear that my shrooms arent normal and are infected. This is my first grow so i really dont know how they are supposed to smell but from what i hear its supposed to be an earthy mushroomy smell (not mine). I use verm. Brown rice flour. Organic rye mix as the medium. My mushrooms have only recently started spreading mycelium around the tub. (Its plastic sealed with holes on the side). I dont know if they are supposed to smell rotten before they fruit or not but either way im worried. People say mushrooms dont smell at all and for the most part mine do not but i occasionally get a whiff of the foul odor from 5-6 feet away. When i open the tub the smell is horrid, but that might just be me. Again, they smell like some kind of yeasty rottenish cheese, but its not so bad that i have to look away. Its just an unpleasant smell, not enough to really make me wretch. Any help would be GREATY appreciated as i am very inexperienced and im really worried for my cubes
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Badazz460]
#21835686 - 06/21/15 07:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Badazz460]
#21835794 - 06/21/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Did you use rye in your bulk substrate?
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: lusus]
#21835816 - 06/21/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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They should smell like fresh mushrooms... pretty sure you got Contamination...
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Grim767]
#21835982 - 06/21/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea i did use rye. dammit, well what do i do? Is there anything that can be done?
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Badazz460] 1
#21835998 - 06/21/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Any mushrooms that grow will be fine to consume. However that mess is unlikely to produce any mushrooms. Looking at it I would say that is going to turn lots of colors soon. I would pitch that before it does.
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21836009 - 06/21/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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None of your grains look colonized. Can you describe your procedure to us? I think I know what you did wrong.
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Badazz460]
#21836035 - 06/21/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just do yourself a favour and get that out of your house.
Seems to me that you've read through all the different techniques scrambled them all together and thats what came out lol
Just start again from scratch and follow a tek to the T. If you wanna go with cakes, once they are fully colonised fruit them in a SGFC with perlite, or you can use the cakes to spawn a bulk substrate like you tried to do here. But don't add any more food to it, that's where things went sour, literally!
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: lusus]
#21836081 - 06/21/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Aww dammit. Well i mixed in verm rye and brown rice flour in the cakes to make jars of the stuff. After two week they seemed colonized so i made more of the same mixture as bulk and spread it in the box, uncapped the cakes and slid em underneath. Thats about all i did, leaving 12/12 cycle spraying twice a day and i had a fan on for 5-10 minutes a day to circulate the air. I spent half an hour looking up molds and contams. And to me the only thing that seems off is the smell but then again i am new to this scene. The whole chamber is only a week old and i am quite sure the white spots are mycelium (correct me if im wrong). If you need any close up pics of anything please let me know but if something is wrong what do you think it is? I want to be sure the box is fucked before i toss out the work. I have two more jars caking now, are they contaminated as well?
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Badazz460]
#21836091 - 06/21/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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What do you mean by dont add any food? The bulk substrate is pretty deep and looking in from the side you can see lots of colonized material. I just dont see much on the surface, your right. So you need any better pics? As far as my noob mind can tell, the cubes are still early in their development. Is it at all possible that their taking a while?
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Badazz460]
#21836095 - 06/21/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Okay, got it. So here's the problem. There is a rule we use in this hobby, and it is absolutely and totally imperative that you follow it always. Ready?
Never, ever expose a nutritious substrate to the open air.
Both bacteria and molds will set in and you'll a room that smells like stinky feet and mold spores everywhere before long. That's the purpose behind the SABs we use to do transfers, or the vermiculite layer and the cap on your cakes. You can crumble and spawn to a bulk substrate ONLY if it's non-nutritious to most organisms, like CVG.
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Badazz460]
#21836098 - 06/21/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you're saying that you used brf and rye grains in your bulk mix no wonder. Those things cannot be used as bulk. Bulk materials like manure straw and coir verm can be spawned to in open air provided they are properly pasteurized. Grains and flour must be sterilized and kept sterile until full colonization.
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Badazz460]
#21836099 - 06/21/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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brf + rye grains is not a bulk sub. it needs to be sterilized and stay sterilized until 100% colonization.
just follow frank's 12 steps next time!
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: spacechildo]
#21836100 - 06/21/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You guys are slooooow.
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Psilicon]
#21836107 - 06/21/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Said the guy who's been MIA for a month
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21836110 - 06/21/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I had to let you guys get some posts in.
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Psilicon]
#21836148 - 06/21/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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So short story is that i need to toss the box :/. Alright so if im going to follow the same procedure, what would you guys recommend i use as a bulk substrate
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Badazz460]
#21836168 - 06/21/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Use coir and verm. They are nearly foolproof. You can get away with sterilizing them by accident. Manure or straw are less forgiving but if you perfectly pasteurize them they make an excellent substrate.
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21836281 - 06/21/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Coco peat? Im pretty sure their the same
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Badazz460]
#21836346 - 06/21/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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And should i toss the box then? It looks good as of right now but again im no pro. Any chance at all the shroomies might make it ?
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Badazz460]
#21836399 - 06/21/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes toss that mess. I'm not sure why you think it looks good. No offense but that is easily one of the worst things I have seen on these boards in a while. Coco coir is basically coconut husk that has been shredded. Anything fitting that bill is good to use.
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21836489 - 06/21/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes, coco peat is basically the same. I think it has a different texture, but it's the same stuff and the texture matters little to the mushrooms.
Yes, definitely toss the box. There is a 0% chance that will make it.
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Psilicon]
#21837274 - 06/21/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Im sorry if im bothering you guys but follow up question, i had two more jars and i just ope ned them to place them in my peat-verm mix. When i opened them there was a shhh sound as the air came in cus this was the first time i had opened them but the smell was quite overpowering on them as well. They were sealed and heated, opened for 5 seconds to put the agar in, and sealed again. Idk if they are contaminated as well, im just really cautious now. They had rye in them but i was sanitary when handling it. Would anybody know if they were contaminated? Or the chances of them being contaminated?
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Badazz460]
#21837280 - 06/21/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is it normal for my cakes to smell?
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Badazz460]
#21837300 - 06/21/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do you have vent holes on your lids?? sounds like you put solid lids on the jars which is a no-no. Drill 1/4 holes and stuff with polyfill. The growth needs the breathe or it will die. You need to read up on all the teks.
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Gr0wer]
#21837305 - 06/21/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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mushroom growth should have a almost sweet fresh smell to them, hard to explain a smell.
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Gr0wer]
#21837364 - 06/21/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those definitely look bad, yes. But if it smells bad, it's definitely bad. Bacteria are like the number one cause of every smell you find repulsive: stinky vag, smelly feet, rotten fruit, rotten cheese, rotten mushrooms (I hope you don't ever smell that), rotten meat, corpse smell, shit, vinegar and so on.
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Psilicon]
#21837514 - 06/21/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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God dammit i hate this shit haha. I've been through so many tutorials and trials. I have one spore print left, and i have no idea how im going to do this..
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Badazz460]
#21837589 - 06/21/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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To be frank I would like to know what tutorial said it was okay to spawn to grains and flour in open air. I think you have been following bullshit destined to fail. You need to do some good reading if you want success. If you have one print left that's enough to make 20 syringes or inoculate 1000 agar plates. If the print is a clean one, some of those attempts should work provided you find a proper tek and stick with it.
Seems you want to do bulk. Your best bet is to learn agar and go to grain with that. But no matter what your going to need a PC and follow some decent grain prep methods. It sounds like you literally need to forget everything you have read so far. When I get to a computer i will throw a link up.
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Badazz460]
#21837836 - 06/21/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Badazz460 said: And should i toss the box then? It looks good as of right now but again im no pro. Any chance at all the shroomies might make it ?
You have pretty poor odds of getting anything from that tub. I'd take the colonized parts, throw them in a food processor with some water and make a slurry. Then I'd use that to inoculate some old horse manure in an outdoor bed. You could even use Black Kow or Bovung (available at Home Depot) if you can't find aged horse manure. I've never used coir but I guess you could add that, too. And also some vermiculite if whatever you mix up is too gooey.
Make the bed in a shady place and don't let it dry out. Don't waterlog it, either. You may get nothing or you might get a nice flush. With an outdoor bed you at least have a shot at getting something.
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: coffeehead]
#21837851 - 06/21/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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He doesn't have enough colonization to super spawn, even outdoors. A slurry is going to weaken everything to the point where I doubt it manages to survive. Yes you can get some fruits by tossing a contamed sub outside but ya need something healthy at least.
OP you need to read a few things. I suggest you start here. Keep in mind that agar is to inoculate grains. Grains and agar must be kept perfectly sterile. Colonized grains are used to spawn to bulk. Bulk materials should be pasteurized (except for coir).
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19140341#19140341
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21837875 - 06/21/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: He doesn't have enough colonization to super spawn, even outdoors. A slurry is going to weaken everything to the point where I doubt it manages to survive. Yes you can get some fruits by tossing a contamed sub outside but ya need something healthy at least.
OP you need to read a few things. I suggest you start here. Keep in mind that agar is to inoculate grains. Grains and agar must be kept perfectly sterile. Colonized grains are used to spawn to bulk. Bulk materials should be pasteurized (except for coir).
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19140341#19140341
I guess you're right. When I tried it in a similar situation all I got was this:
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: coffeehead]
#21837895 - 06/21/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Of course, correlation is causation
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: coffeehead]
#21837896 - 06/21/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea i must have been fed bad intel. Thank you for the info everyone i never would have thought that a mushroom forum would have the best community lol. You guys were actually super helpful, in reading into that tek now
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21838023 - 06/21/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Of course, correlation is causation 
Oh, I'm sure that I caused that because B+ isn't native to New York. I also hear that they grow like that naturally in Florida (but maybe that's just a rumor?)
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: Badazz460]
#21838099 - 06/21/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Badazz460 said: Coco peat? Im pretty sure their the same
Coco peat is pretty much coir without the fibers. It's probably similar in composition but it has a diferent consistency and is more commonly used as a casing layer ingredient than a bulk substrate.
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Re: Mushrooms smell like yeast/slightly rotten smell [Re: coffeehead]
#21838101 - 06/21/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Of course, correlation is causation 
Oh, I'm sure that I caused that because B+ isn't native to New York. I also hear that they grow like that naturally in Florida (but maybe that's just a rumor?)
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The point your missing is that you need to have actual mycelium for that to work. So far the OPs sub appears to be devoid of cube myc. Certainly none healthy enough to support super spawning. If he had a spot of trich on an otherwise healthy sub then cool beans it would be a good plan. But I didn't see any cube myc whatsoever in his substrate. So yeah maybe he has a few hyphea floating in there. It certainly won't be enough to overcome the hoards of bacteria and mold that are currently owning it.
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