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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Bjorn_Stormcrow]
    #21836610 - 06/21/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You don't have to comply, but it's generally in your best interest to do so. You don't really loose anything by being polite and just doing as your asked so what do you really gain by being an argumentative assholes about it?





you're right, you dont have to comply but the more resistance you give the worse
things tend to get so when you tell the cop "no, I wont give you my info" they
cop will ask you to step out, when you refuse he'll take you by force, and with
each step it tends to get progressively worse as we just saw with this video


so if you're doing these foolish things and you get a few raps to the head and
bit on the shit by rin tin tin, is it the cop's fault? what do we gain from
noncompliance to these simple requests, a few lumps and bruises and possibly
springing some leaks


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Bjorn_Stormcrow]
    #21836623 - 06/21/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Ulfrick said:
You don't have to comply, but it's generally in your best interest to do so. You don't really loose anything by being polite and just doing as your asked so what do you really gain by being an argumentative assholes about it?



Additional charges, as well a better chance at being convicted on the original charge, possibly a beating, occasionally death.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: D.M.T]
    #21836691 - 06/21/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A) I did not here a gunshot
B) I do not see a dead kid anywhere
C) I clearly heard a taser

The cop was more than reasonable with that kid.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21836743 - 06/21/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Could you cite this violation.  I'm not sure that part will stand up in court.  I'm not an expert on MI law, but I can't find anything illegal about flashing your headlights at someone.  Obviously there is a law that says you've got to dim them at X feet, but it is unclear to me if flashing is actually an offense.  I asked earlier but nobody knows I guess :shrug:

It shouldn't have gone like this.  There is obviously something he did wrong, either in his lack of self-control or in his training if this results from a simple traffic stop.  That just shouldn't happen.  If you decide to approach someone alone in the dark in an aggressive way and taze them, it is almost guarenteed they will go to great lengths to stop that from happening.  Doing that isn't even intentionally resisting IMO.  When you are electrocuted your autonomic systems are compromised.  Of course that is going to get ugly.




A guy flashes him, for all he knows the guy needs help and that's why he flashed, he stops the guy, kid accuses cop of driving around with highbeams and that's why he flashed him, the cop explains to him he didn't have his highbeams on, the whole time the kid is explaining that he did, he has slowed and slurred speech, if the cop got the same impression i did, now he's suspicious, he asks to see info, (while slurring your speech) "I don't have to" and continuing to make yourself even more suspicious while continuing to slowly slur your words as you explain how the cop is in the wrong. His actions and training seemed perfectly reasonable to me.

They are payed to patrol and make sure the roads are safe, this level of perfection you expect them to have is unrealistic especially if you want them to keep doing so. A seventeen year old is perfectly capable of making reasonable decisions which he failed to do and is also capable of carrying around a weapon, the cop has to act with his own safety in mind, he tried to subdue in a non-lethal manner, and then got attacked, so he resorted to lethal. Do I wish it happened...no....but saying this is a child isn't an excuse to be an idiot. 17 year olds are perfectly capable of understanding why you shouldn't attack the police. Plus, how could he know he was 17, the kid wouldn't show him his information :wink: Could of been 25 for all he knows.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Patlal]
    #21836748 - 06/21/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Time to start shooting cops first? Just like in Mexico?


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #21836776 - 06/21/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Time to start shooting cops first? Just like in Mexico?





shroomism already encourages it although he doesnt seem to eager to take the steps himself

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21498550



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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #21836783 - 06/21/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

pretty bad. having to kill someone, let alone a 17 year old with his whole life to go, and who obviously had some lessons to learn. that cop is a giant dickwad.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: ManianFH]
    #21836792 - 06/21/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If only there were a way for the cop to know he was 17, perhaps a form of identification that he could show.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: ManianFH]
    #21836806 - 06/21/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

a brother of a friend i have is a police officer and was recently in a full blown wrestling match with some dude on the street. he was a really big dude who obviously had some martial arts training - he was getting cuffed, then turned around and sucker punched him in the temple, they both went to the ground wrestling. it lasted a few minutes, and people were just watching it go down without doing anything. luckily my friends brother was also trained in martial arts and was able to evade all the submissions, all while this guy was trying to yank the gun out of his holster (which had a double activated release mechanism, and is the only reason he wasnt shot with his own sidearm)

he eventually got the guy in a submission and put him to sleep.


so i find it hard to see how a 17 year old who is probably just a loudmouthed dipshit, with little to no fighting skills ends up getting shot. uneducated piece of shit cop.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: ManianFH]
    #21836826 - 06/21/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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If only there were a way for the cop to know he was 17, perhaps a form of identification that he could show.






looks pretty young to me


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: D.M.T]
    #21836854 - 06/21/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Ulfrick said:
You don't have to comply, but it's generally in your best interest to do so. You don't really loose anything by being polite and just doing as your asked so what do you really gain by being an argumentative assholes about it?



Additional charges, as well a better chance at being convicted on the original charge, possibly a beating, occasionally death.



That was exactly my point. If you haven't broken any laws and you are co-operative, friendly, and compliant then you won't usually have anything to worry about. Sure the odd asshole cop might try and trump something up, but even then, cooperating will go a long way towards helping you fight it in court.
You try and fight back or make an ass of yourself and you just might not make it to court.
There is nothing to be gained by being obstinate with cops, and everything to loose.
Even if you where doing something illegal, and get caught, 1) you fucked up and got caught, that's your fault not theirs. 2) doesn't matter if you think it should be illegal or not, the law doesn't care. 3) your much more likely to get let off with a slap on the wrist if you don't make a big stink about it.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: ManianFH]
    #21836883 - 06/21/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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so i find it hard to see how a 17 year old who is probably just a loudmouthed dipshit, with little to no fighting skills ends up getting shot. uneducated piece of shit cop.





is it your duty when your life is on the line to wrestle someone into submission?
I know it's not my duty to do so and I choose to dispatch a dipshit with as
little effort on my part as is possible. who the fuck cares what your friend's
brother did or didnt do.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21836904 - 06/21/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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mick said:
so i find it hard to see how a 17 year old who is probably just a loudmouthed dipshit, with little to no fighting skills ends up getting shot. uneducated piece of shit cop.





is it your duty when your life is on the line to wrestle someone into submission?
I know it's not my duty to do so and I choose to dispatch a dipshit with as
little effort on my part as is possible. who the fuck cares what your friend's
brother did or didnt do.




i care. it shows an officer who uses his training and knowledge to resolve a difficult situation with as little bloodshed as possible. no deaths.

it makes me happy that you arent a police officer, as you would likely be adding to the yearly death totals of these 'dipshits' you would be paid to serve and protect - by dispatching them with as little effort as possible. people with such a mentality shouldnt be, and dont deserve to be officers of the law.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21836906 - 06/21/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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A guy flashes him, for all he knows the guy needs help and that's why he flashed, he stops the guy....




For all he knows his lights are not properly aimed, and people have been flashing him all night because of it.

Honestly I couldn't believe when he said that.  If this had been happening all night, why did he continue to pull people over?


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: ManianFH]
    #21836907 - 06/21/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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If only there were a way for the cop to know he was 17, perhaps a form of identification that he could show.






looks pretty young to me





are young people incapable of killing or harming others?




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Robert Thompson and Jon Venables: Robert Thompson and Jon Venables were both 10 years old when they abducted and killed two-year-old James Bulger in 1993. The young boys snatched the toddler from a shopping mall while his mother was inside a store, and took him on a 2.5-mile walk across Liverpool. The boys were seen walking by approximately 38 people, but many assumed he was their younger brother. Venables and Thompson took Bulger to a railway line where they tortured and brutally attacked the toddler. Bulger suffered multiple skull fractures from blows to the head, and was sexually abused by the two older boys. After the beatings, they left Bulger’s lifeless body across the railway tracks so that his body would be cut in half. Police were able to pin Venables and Thompson because of video images that captured Bulger’s abduction from the mall. DNA testing matched the blood found on the boys’ shoes to Bulger. Thompson and Venables were arrested and controversially tried and convicted in an adult court. They were both found guilty of murder and sentenced to custody until the age of 18.




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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21836932 - 06/21/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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A guy flashes him, for all he knows the guy needs help and that's why he flashed, he stops the guy....




For all he knows his lights are not properly aimed, and people have been flashing him all night because of it.

Honestly I couldn't believe when he said that.  If this had been happening all night, why did he continue to pull people over?




why shouldnt he?


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21836942 - 06/21/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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mick said:
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SirShroomsAlott said:
If only there were a way for the cop to know he was 17, perhaps a form of identification that he could show.






looks pretty young to me





are young people incapable of killing or harming others?









they arent as capable of harming others as a police officer. you are in a position of power as an officer, and that authority needs to come with restraint against those who do not possess the power you have. fists do not equal a gun.

do you know that if you are getting beaten by another person, and you pull out a gun that you have a concealed carry permit for and shoot him, you will likely face charges for it?


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: ManianFH]
    #21836951 - 06/21/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So children can harm adults but not police officers? What are police, superhumans?

I'll just leave this news from 3 days ago here

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/teen-who-killed-const-garrett-styles-guilty-of-1st-degree-murder-1.3115800


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: D.M.T]
    #21836958 - 06/21/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

what?


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: ManianFH]
    #21836967 - 06/21/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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what?



You said 17 year olds don't possess the capability of harming a police officer, and that is certainly untrue even without weapons.


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