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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Shroomism]
    #21835304 - 06/21/15 02:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

between 5:26-5:27, you can pretty clearly seem the kid stand up and put his hands on the officer.

I was just googling the "flashing your lights" law.  In many states its legal, in some states its illegal.  In some states where its illegal, judges have overturned it claiming that its a protected first amendment form of communication.

I can't find any specific michigan law.

michigan DOES have a law that you're allowed to physically resist unlawful arrest.
michigan also specifically prohibits police officers from stopping and identifying someone without reasonable suspicion of a crime (flashing high beams, which is most likely protected first amendment speech.)
michigan DOES have a law that any time you're driving a vehicle, you must present your ID to any police officer who asks.

This is overly complex, can someone summon enil?


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Salomon]
    #21835305 - 06/21/15 02:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Add to that, other officers will not question his story. For all we know, another officer smashed his face. This is the way they operate. Solidarity above the truth.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Salomon]
    #21835310 - 06/21/15 02:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

and furthermore, why does it have to be a rock, he could have sliced himself with some metal or something, throw some dirt in there, bash his head into something, it's really just that easy to make yourself look like a victim.


i'm not an all out cop hater, i'm just saying that ion this particular case it seems very very questionable.





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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: koods]
    #21835312 - 06/21/15 02:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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For all we know, another officer smashed his face.




That is ridiculous.

First of all, the cop is wearing a body cam. After he shot the kid other cops obviously rushed to the scene. The cop would have needed to find a rock and hit himself in the face before anyone arrived to the scene and have none of it caught on the body cam.

Obviously none of that happened and they do investigate these things whether or not you guys want to admit it. Clearly the cop was injured by the kid and there is no evidence to say otherwise and what happened as a result of that is the kid being shot and consequently losing his life.

He could have avoided any problems by just being complying and not being a stubborn know it all.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21835314 - 06/21/15 02:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Pretty sure it is pretty easy to tell if someone has a self inflicted injury. :lol: Especially if the injury is hitting yourself in the face with a rock. :rofl:

You guys are just grasping at straws.



The fact is, there were no witnesses -- other than the cameras. And it doesn't seem likely, to me, that that meek 17 year old kid could have done what the cop said in the few seconds before the cop killed him.

Those videos should be studied, frame by frame, by experts.

Don't hold your breath.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Salomon] * 2
    #21835323 - 06/21/15 02:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What does Dickbreath in the Whitehouse say about it?  I'm sure he is going to get up and condemn the police, and give one of his classic speeches, even though the kid is white....  oh wait.....


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #21835329 - 06/21/15 03:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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What does Dickbreath in the Whitehouse say about it?  I'm sure he is going to get up and condemn the police, and give one of his classic speeches, even though the kid is white....  oh wait.....



lol atleast we can take solace in the fact that this is white on white crime, so no media outrage, :rolleyes:


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Salomon]
    #21835337 - 06/21/15 03:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How can we be so sure though?  Maybe one was Anglo and the other was Saxon.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21835343 - 06/21/15 03:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What did the medical report say about his injuries? A picture is great theatre. What were the actual extent of the injuries?


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21835347 - 06/21/15 03:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

This happened in Michigan where the legislature had to pass a law to prevent the police from stealing people's houses and cars.

The police should be strongly suspected in a case like this.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: endogenous]
    #21835350 - 06/21/15 03:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The doctors at first thought there might be a broken jaw or fractured orbital, but it turned out that he had neither.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: endogenous]
    #21835357 - 06/21/15 03:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Here's the prosecutor's statement thing it includes those details:
https://mgtvwlns.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/guilfordinvestigationscan.pdf

to me the video looks and sounds as described, tho i'd be curious to see the cams of the responding officers.

open and shut case.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: endogenous]
    #21835359 - 06/21/15 03:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think anytime a person kills another person, it should be highly scrutinized. Taking a life is serious, and this cop should have been grilled as would any other citizen to see if his story stands up. Cops have lost their benefit of the doubt.

Again, what was the actual medical assessment of his injuries? Where is the video from the cruiser?

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The doctors at first thought there might be a broken jaw or fractured orbital, but it turned out that he had neither.




What was the source of the blood? What a fortuitous event that he would have streaks of blood and no lacerations.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: teamkiller]
    #21835366 - 06/21/15 03:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Here's the prosecutor's statement thing it includes those details:
https://mgtvwlns.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/guilfordinvestigationscan.pdf

to me the video looks and sounds as described, tho i'd be curious to see the cams of the responding officers.

open and shut case.




Even if the cop was injured, the fact is the kid show zero signs of aggression. The moment he was tazed, he tried to get away. None of this meets the standard required by the Supreme Court for use of deadly force.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: koods]
    #21835376 - 06/21/15 03:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

he doesn't try to get away, he immediately stands up and puts his hands on the officer.  The next and last intelligible frame between 5:28-5:29  is the office's body cam pointing away from the cars, and the initial direction of the kid.  I don't see any mention anywhere of the kid trying to run away.  I do hear several thumps recorded on the body cam before its destroyed and before the gunshots.

that prosecutor statement i linked mentions officers with cameras recording arrived pretty much immediately after.  request that video from the police department i wanna see what people say after an officer kills a kid.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21835406 - 06/21/15 03:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The lesson here is to follow the directions of the police and you will be fine.




The lesson here is that cops can fucking kill you over nothing and get away with it, and also that bitter cactus is kind of a dick.

RIP :sad:


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21835411 - 06/21/15 03:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Okay I just watched the video.

That kid was seriously being an idiot. The officer asked like ten times for license and registration, the kid kept refusing. The cop was really patient and after some time the kid refused still refused to give him license and registration. The officer takes him out of the car, tells him to get on the ground, the kid argues back to the cop, the cop tells him to lay down and put his hands to the side and the kid refuses to do it. He start resisting arrest and eventually the cop has no choice but to tazer him, then to my knowledge the kid is fleeing the scene of the crime and is potentially armed and the cop honestly has no choice but to shoot him.

Here is what the kid should have done. Officer asks, "sir, license and registration please". The kid says "here you go officer". Then the officer either lets him go or gives him a ticket for not having his lights on or whatever it was for him not being pulled over.

This kid was a threat and resisted arrested and did not comply with the traffic stop. I am glad he was shot because that is the protocol when someone could potentially hurt you and is not obeying the commands.

The lesson here is to follow the directions of the police and you will be fine.





the real lesson here is to stop listening to these dumbasses telling you to
'flex your rights' especially is you dont know your rights, the law or as in
this instance, how to properly wipe your own ass


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1] * 3
    #21835432 - 06/21/15 04:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The first paragraph of the incident report demonstrates that this stop and confrontation should have never occurred in the first place. The officer was informed earlier that there was a problem with his headlights. When the kid flashed him, he should have understood immediately that yet another person was having problems with the brightness of his lights. Instead he took it personally and insisted that they were in the low position. Another butthurt cop overreacts and civilians die. Police Scum.

Note that in the investigation, nobody bothered to mention whether the cop had been driving around with headlights in the high beam position, as the two people he pulled over indicated he was.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: koods]
    #21835438 - 06/21/15 04:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The cop stated that he chased the kid... and SOMEHOW... the kid who was running away from being tased.. was able to get on top of him in a snow-filled ditch and was hitting him in the face.





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Here's the prosecutor's statement thing it includes those details:
https://mgtvwlns.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/guilfordinvestigationscan.pdf

to me the video looks and sounds as described, tho i'd be curious to see the cams of the responding officers.

open and shut case.




Even if the cop was injured, the fact is the kid show zero signs of aggression. The moment he was tazed, he tried to get away. None of this meets the standard required by the Supreme Court for use of deadly force.





ok koods and shroomism, tell us, if this kid was running away, why was he
shown in the video lunging at the cop? attacking isnt running away, it's
fucking attacking as he's shown doing in this frame. how does this fit into
the standard required by the supreme court when it comes to these shooting




how the fuck is it that everyone is so blind that they cannot see this kid
attacking the cop, could it be because their bias has blinded them to
everything so that all they can see is what ever fits into their narrow little
'hate the cops' world view


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: koods]
    #21835442 - 06/21/15 04:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The first paragraph of the incident report demonstrates that this stop and confrontation should have never occurred in the first place. The officer was informed earlier that there was a problem with his headlights. When the kid flashed him, he should have understood immediately that yet another person was having problems with the brightness of his lights. Instead he took it personally and insisted that they were in the low position. Another butthurt cop overreacts and civilians die. Police Scum.

Note that in the investigation, nobody bothered to mention whether the cop had been driving around with headlights in the high beam position, as the two people he pulled over indicated he was.





yaddayaddayadda

the kid was a stupid dickhead growing up on youtube videos that then decides to
attack the cop and gets his ass shot, let the stupid people die, dont shed
tears for improvements to the gene pool


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