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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: zZZz]
    #21844263 - 06/23/15 12:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You guys probably don't want to hear this, but racism and the war on drugs are tied all the way to the top.  It is one of the many ways those at the top exploit those at the bottom.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21844293 - 06/23/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
You guys probably don't want to hear this, but racism and the war on drugs are tied all the way to the top.  It is one of the many ways those at the top exploit those at the bottom.



Did you factor in rates of recidivism before formulating that opinion?


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: D.M.T]
    #21844395 - 06/23/15 01:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

that is some lazy analysis. head count of recidivist's doesn't show anything that proves otherwise to what he said. what could it show? more of one than the other, but that doesn't discount any possibility of people of any race being racist. that includes cops, by the way, Prisoner, DMT.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21845283 - 06/23/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Police are an ethnic group now?  That shows about how much sense racism makes, thanks.  I feel like you guys make my points for me.





cops could be an ethnic group


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An ethnic group or ethnicity is a socially defined category of people who identify with each other based on common ancestral, social, cultural or national experience.[1][2] Membership of an ethnic group tends to be defined by a shared cultural heritage, ancestry, origin myth, history, homeland, language and/or dialect, symbolic systems such as religion, mythology and ritual, cuisine, dressing style, physical appearance, etc.





any christian cop born in the US could certainly be considered an ethnic group

are you ashamed to learn that you're a bigot?




How am I a bigot? because I think racists are morons?




well yes, as a matter of fact that and your dislike for christians and cops,
it's all bigotry, you claim to be an antiracist yet every time we see these
discussions come up you show your racism and prejudice


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He could be any number of ethnic groups, depending on who you ask.  There is no set number of ethnic groups, and nothing that says you can't just make one up on the spot with completely arbitrary categories.  If police can be an ethnic group, absolutely any group can.  Skateboarders are an ethnic group.  Freemasons are an ethnic group.  Shroomerites are an ethnic group.




well guess what, I already said that and wikipedia defines it as such as well

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C'mon shroom bredren.  I really have a hard time believing you're this stupid.  Where are you going with cops being an ethnic group?

This is completely absurd.




where I'm going with it is to point out that you're so full of hate and
intolerance that you cannot see your own bigotry or how you promote racism
under the ridiculous claim of being antiracist. you're no different than
anyone else, the same bigotry as everyone else


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: D.M.T]
    #21845290 - 06/23/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
You guys probably don't want to hear this, but racism and the war on drugs are tied all the way to the top.  It is one of the many ways those at the top exploit those at the bottom.



Did you factor in rates of recidivism before formulating that opinion?





let him promote his racist values in peace. do not cloud his arguments with facts
we all know that these false claims of his dont hold water, they are the tools of
the race pimps used to misinform the ignorant. by his claim, there's no poor
white people. his racism shows once again


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21845300 - 06/23/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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that is some lazy analysis. head count of recidivist's doesn't show anything that proves otherwise to what he said. what could it show? more of one than the other, but that doesn't discount any possibility of people of any race being racist. that includes cops, by the way, Prisoner, DMT.






give us the statistics on recidivism then, you should break it down by gender and by race


BTW. everyone is a racist, some just lie about it because they're fooling
themselves into believing they arent


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21845304 - 06/23/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Police are an ethnic group now?  That shows about how much sense racism makes, thanks.  I feel like you guys make my points for me.





cops could be an ethnic group


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An ethnic group or ethnicity is a socially defined category of people who identify with each other based on common ancestral, social, cultural or national experience.[1][2] Membership of an ethnic group tends to be defined by a shared cultural heritage, ancestry, origin myth, history, homeland, language and/or dialect, symbolic systems such as religion, mythology and ritual, cuisine, dressing style, physical appearance, etc.





any christian cop born in the US could certainly be considered an ethnic group

are you ashamed to learn that you're a bigot?




How am I a bigot? because I think racists are morons?




well yes, as a matter of fact that and your dislike for christians and cops,
it's all bigotry, you claim to be an antiracist yet every time we see these
discussions come up you show your racism and prejudice


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He could be any number of ethnic groups, depending on who you ask.  There is no set number of ethnic groups, and nothing that says you can't just make one up on the spot with completely arbitrary categories.  If police can be an ethnic group, absolutely any group can.  Skateboarders are an ethnic group.  Freemasons are an ethnic group.  Shroomerites are an ethnic group.




well guess what, I already said that and wikipedia defines it as such as well

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C'mon shroom bredren.  I really have a hard time believing you're this stupid.  Where are you going with cops being an ethnic group?

This is completely absurd.




where I'm going with it is to point out that you're so full of hate and
intolerance that you cannot see your own bigotry or how you promote racism
under the ridiculous claim of being antiracist. you're no different than
anyone else, the same bigotry as everyone else




:whathesaid:


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: zZZz]
    #21845310 - 06/23/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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well shit, i've been doing this for practically all my life and i still got harassed. been pulled over more times than i can remember, yet only like 2 of those times were actually for a traffic violation(broken tail lights). the rest of those times were purely out of suspicion, "oh hey look at that beat up car, im sure he's hiding something lets pull him over", or "look!, that dude just rolled his window up, get em!". "he's walking funny, get em!"




you must be blacker than black

or...

the liberals lie about only blacks being profiled


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21845321 - 06/23/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Bravo pris. I have nothing more I can possibly add right now you said it perfectly. *standing ovation*


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21845382 - 06/23/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You think cops are a race.  You don't see how anything could be made into a race, therefore by your standards everyone is a racist.  You can make it mean whatever the hell you want, of course it makes sense to you.

:lol:  You gotta be trolling at this point.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21845397 - 06/23/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You think cops are a race.  You don't see how anything could be made into a race, therefore by your standards everyone is a racist.  You can make it mean whatever the hell you want, of course it makes sense to you.

:lol:  You gotta be trolling at this point.




He's trying to make a point. That bigotry is bigotry is bigotry.  Doesn't matter if it's racist, sexist, anti - cop,  it's all the same. And someone can't claim to be anti - racist and in the very next breath start spouting bigotry about another group of people.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Bjorn_Stormcrow]
    #21845420 - 06/23/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I get it, all opinions have the right to be treated as equals.  That makes alot of sense.  Who cares if they make any sense or deuhumanize people for no benefit whatsoever.  To think about it would be bigotry.

:hahthatscute: So dumb.  I'm dumbstruck.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21845503 - 06/23/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah I get it, all opinions have the right to be treated as equals.  That makes alot of sense.  Who cares if they make any sense or deuhumanize people for no benefit whatsoever.  To think about it would be bigotry.

:hahthatscute: So dumb.  I'm dumbstruck.




There's nothing wrong with calling out people that mistreat others, but lumping a whole group of people (cops) as being immoral because of the actions of a few is a form of bigotry.

You have already expressed that a few bad personal experiences that you have had with law enforcement has left you with the sentiment that all cops are bad, that's a prejudicial line of reasoning.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: qman]
    #21845545 - 06/23/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

When did I explain that?  I gave one anecdote because pris implied I would just immediately cave to police pressure IRL, which I know from experience not to be true.  There is overwhelming evidence aside from my own experience that police and political corruption exists, I don't see the point in trying to deny that.

Are you also maintaining that police are a race?  I just can't argue with someone like that.  If you want to define exactly what you mean when you say black I would be interested to hear it, but if you're just going to try and turn everything around by making me into a racist then obviously we're not going to get anywhere. 

I never even said I hate police, I just think they're too often corrupt and doing a shit job, as evidence by the crime rate and overall cost they incur to our society.  I get that you feel the same way about black people, but that doesn't mean anything to me because you're just going by your gut to determine who is black and who isn't, so of course the profile fits the bill.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21845630 - 06/23/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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When did I explain that?  I gave one anecdote because pris implied I would just immediately cave to police pressure IRL, which I know from experience not to be true.  There is overwhelming evidence aside from my own experience that police and political corruption exists, I don't see the point in trying to deny that.

Are you also maintaining that police are a race?  I just can't argue with someone like that.  If you want to define exactly what you mean when you say black I would be interested to hear it, but if you're just going to try and turn everything around by making me into a racist then obviously we're not going to get anywhere. 

I never even said I hate police, I just think they're too often corrupt and doing a shit job, as evidence by the rising crime rate and overall cost they incur to our society.  I get that you feel the same way about black people, but that doesn't mean anything to me because you're just going by your gut to determine who is black and who isn't, so of course the profile fits the bill.




"Are you maintaining that police are a race?"

No, just a group of people that are in the same profession. 

"I just think they're too often corrupt and doing a shit job"

Some of them are, no group of professionals are perfect,  but to state they're all "corrupt" is bigotry.

"evidence by the rising crime rate"

So corrupt policing leads to a "rising crime rate"?, that's a very interesting theory.  What kind of crimes?  There's a major different between petty crimes (drugs) and violent crimes with real victims.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: qman]
    #21845664 - 06/23/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Police corruption leads to crimes committed by police, as well as their getting away with it since they treat eachother preferentially.

Violent crime is down overall, but police aggression is up.

http://whowhatwhy.org/2014/03/19/crimes-police-aggression-increasing/


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21845783 - 06/23/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So the more aggressive the police are, the less violent crime there is?

Just kidding...but for real.../thread already for the love of god.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21845819 - 06/23/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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to hold that kind of standard to anyone is impossible. no one can be elected that'll fix what is broken, because of the fears of idiotic people. such as what DieCommie said.



We have the electorate we have.  :shrug:  Make me dictator for year and a whole lot of stuff will get fixed,


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21846638 - 06/23/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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that is some lazy analysis. head count of recidivist's doesn't show anything that proves otherwise to what he said. what could it show? more of one than the other, but that doesn't discount any possibility of people of any race being racist. that includes cops, by the way, Prisoner, DMT.






give us the statistics on recidivism then, you should break it down by gender and by race


BTW. everyone is a racist, some just lie about it because they're fooling
themselves into believing they arent



yeah, that's why people aim to not be racist and quell their xenophobia, which is senseless at it's foundation. because just because you're white black or a cop, doesn't mean anything due to those possibilities. it's just imagined fear, unless you have proof first and foremost that said person you might be witnessing is actually a danger.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Bjorn_Stormcrow]
    #21846643 - 06/23/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Ulfrick said:
Bravo pris. I have nothing more I can possibly add right now you said it perfectly. *standing ovation*



LOL hilarious. you think being a cop means you're part of a new race of humans.


you people have a race. i'm not gonna say what though, i might be banned.


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