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Hey cool, I have anecdotal stories too.
When I was 16 or 17 a group of us were walking home from school. Some guy in plain clothes runs up and points a gun at one of the mexican guys in our group and tells him to freeze, he's wanted for a robbery that just took place, said he was an undercover.. but refused to show any credentials. The kid told him we just got out of school and to fuck off and just started walking away. Dude put a bullet in the back of his head. Killed him for absolutely no reason, an unarmed innocent teenager who did nothing wrong. A few hours later they found the guy that did it... some 35 year old hispanic guy. He ended up killing another unarmed innocent guy a few years later. Cop was never charged with anything and is still on the force some 17 years later. Justice!
This wasn't in some slum ghetto either. This was an upper class area in Northern Virginia.
I really don't think your Canadian police stories are equivalent to ours. How many people did the Royal Canadian police kill last year? 1000+? Nope looks to be about 17. Our police kill that many people in a week. 10x the population, ~65x more police killings.
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Shroomism]
#21841464 - 06/22/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey cool, I have anecdotal stories too.
When I was 16 or 17 a group of us were walking home from school. Some guy in plain clothes runs up and points a gun at one of the mexican guys in our group and tells him to freeze, he's wanted for a robbery that just took place, said he was an undercover.. but refused to show any credentials. The kid told him we just got out of school and to fuck off and just started walking away. Dude put a bullet in the back of his head. Killed him for absolutely no reason, an unarmed innocent teenager who did nothing wrong. A few hours later they found the guy that did it... some 35 year old hispanic guy. He ended up killing another unarmed innocent guy a few years later. Cop was never charged with anything and is still on the force some 17 years later. Justice!
I am not understanding your story. Was the undercover cop actually an undercover cop? The same undercover cop killed another unarmed innocent guy a few years later?
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Ojom]
#21841484 - 06/22/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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He was actually a cop. But he refused to identify himself when asked. We didn't believe he was a cop though, because at that time there were a lot of stories about people getting harassed and intimidated by people posing as cops. He killed him and it was basically swept under the rug.. there was virtually no media coverage of it. The only thing I ever found on it was a tiny blurb article in the local paper.
Some years later, that same cop.. ended up killing another unarmed guy. The city ended up paying a couple million settlement to the family after being sued (our tax dollars at work!), but AFAIK the cop is still on the force. Another story on it
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21841517 - 06/22/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Interesting how different this situation went. I guess cause this guy gave ID he didn't deserve to die, or maybe it is that he is also a cop. That certainly seems to be why they decided not to even charge him for blatant DUI and he is still on the job.
I can't believe the lady is like "You can't get back in the car and drive, Idunno about Jersey City but that's not how we do things around here", while still clearly implying that they are going to let him go, he just can't drive 
my brother ended up with a DUI, the story is, he totaled his truck while driving drunk, the woner of the house where he wrecked it called the cops, the cop found him laying under the truck when he arrived, he managed to get him out from under it, called my mom and step father to come and pick him up to take he to the hospital, while the EMTs were checking him out he kept running his mouth and just as my folks were getting there to pick him up the cop was handcuffing him and taking his ass to jail
I know several people that were cut loose from DUIs, many more that were not arrested for drugs in their possession including my brother and myself and there's probably dozens of others people were cut loose from. some cops will, some cops wont but it has no bearing on this shooting. when a cop asks for ID you dont refuse because youtube told you to stand up for your rights
in at least 26 states you are required to ID yourself to the cop when he asks regardless of whether you're driving, in all 50 states you are required to present ID to a cop if you are driving. had this kid not asserted that he had certain rights that he in fact did not, he would be alive today. why arent we blaming youtube for the actions of this kid that resulted in his death, why arent we blaming the dumbases making the videos telling people this misinformation which result in charges against them. why arent we blaming the kid for attacking the cop, it's not like we dont know what the results are when you attack a cop, hell it's all over youtube, attack a cop get your ass shot
maybe someone needs to make a video that specifically states that
or like why arent we blaming the people training these cops, telling them that it is ok for them to kill when they feel, yes feel, that their life is in danger. anyway why arent we blaming these individuals who make it ok for cops to shoot and kill unarmed or innocent civilians, when it is the cops who confront them in the first place and instigate violence because they couldnt properly diffuse a situation without their spider senses going off and causing someone elses life
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: zZZz]
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moonrockmushy said: Interesting how different this situation went. I guess cause this guy gave ID he didn't deserve to die, or maybe it is that he is also a cop. That certainly seems to be why they decided not to even charge him for blatant DUI and he is still on the job.
I can't believe the lady is like "You can't get back in the car and drive, Idunno about Jersey City but that's not how we do things around here", while still clearly implying that they are going to let him go, he just can't drive 
my brother ended up with a DUI, the story is, he totaled his truck while driving drunk, the woner of the house where he wrecked it called the cops, the cop found him laying under the truck when he arrived, he managed to get him out from under it, called my mom and step father to come and pick him up to take he to the hospital, while the EMTs were checking him out he kept running his mouth and just as my folks were getting there to pick him up the cop was handcuffing him and taking his ass to jail
I know several people that were cut loose from DUIs, many more that were not arrested for drugs in their possession including my brother and myself and there's probably dozens of others people were cut loose from. some cops will, some cops wont but it has no bearing on this shooting. when a cop asks for ID you dont refuse because youtube told you to stand up for your rights
in at least 26 states you are required to ID yourself to the cop when he asks regardless of whether you're driving, in all 50 states you are required to present ID to a cop if you are driving. had this kid not asserted that he had certain rights that he in fact did not, he would be alive today. why arent we blaming youtube for the actions of this kid that resulted in his death, why arent we blaming the dumbases making the videos telling people this misinformation which result in charges against them. why arent we blaming the kid for attacking the cop, it's not like we dont know what the results are when you attack a cop, hell it's all over youtube, attack a cop get your ass shot
maybe someone needs to make a video that specifically states that
or like why arent we blaming the people training these cops, telling them that it is ok for them to kill when they feel, yes feel, that their life is in danger. anyway why arent we blaming these individuals who make it ok for cops to shoot and kill unarmed or innocent civilians, when it is the cops who confront them in the first place and instigate violence because they couldnt properly diffuse a situation without their spider senses going off and causing someone elses life
"cops who confront them in the first place"
Getting called to a address a call is part of the job of law enforcement.
"and instigate violence"
Usually they react to violence against them or other people.
"properly diffuse a situation"
Become a cop and show them have to properly diffuse a situation, something tells me you would have your hand on the trigger as well.
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: qman]
#21841689 - 06/22/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Trichome_Delta9 said: i am for system reform so yeah i stand by what i say.
cops shouldn't TRY to ruin peoples lives.
It's the justice system that ruins a lot of peoples lives (for no good reason), cops are just pawns on the board.
They are not pawns. Being a pawn implies being an unwitting tool used by others to an end they don't know about. Cops willingly sign up for the job and they know very well what end they, as the means, are working toward.
Cops are the front line of the justice system and they bear the responsibility of the lives they ruin, along with the judges and prison workers.
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: DieCommie]
#21841730 - 06/22/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Trichome_Delta9 said: i am for system reform so yeah i stand by what i say.
cops shouldn't TRY to ruin peoples lives.
It's the justice system that ruins a lot of peoples lives (for no good reason), cops are just pawns on the board.
They are not pawns. Being a pawn implies being an unwitting tool used by others to an end they don't know about. Cops willingly sign up for the job and they know very well what end they, as the means, are working toward.
Cops are the front line of the justice system and they bear the responsibility of the lives they ruin, along with the judges and prison workers.
I hold the lawmakers, lobbyists, lawyers, and big money much more accountable.
Cops never wrote the legislation, if a law changes tomorrow they can no longer enforce it.
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#21841764 - 06/22/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Great argument!
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Shroomism]
#21841782 - 06/22/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Great argument!

If you want a change in policy where would you start, at police stations? Give us a break already, you go to the source of power.
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: qman]
#21841787 - 06/22/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is a crime against the white man as a whole. Our people are under attack.
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Herbologist said: This is a crime against the white man as a whole. Our people are under attack.
Whitelivesmatter- well not so much these days.
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: qman]
#21842197 - 06/22/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I demand Joe Biden make a PSA that we as a white culture will stick together and get through this oppressive time in our country.
I'd demand Obama but he only represents black people.
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#21842208 - 06/22/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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obama represents all that is good in this cold world
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: zZZz]
#21842226 - 06/22/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You assert your rights in court. Not on the street. Remove head from ass and you don't get shot
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#21842327 - 06/22/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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remove head from ass, prepare to get fucked
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: zZZz]
#21842343 - 06/22/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You don't get shot in court
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: zappaisgod]
#21842381 - 06/22/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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court houses and prisons should be the only places where u dont have rights..
innocent until proven guilty?, yea right..
more like guilty until proven innocent
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#21842392 - 06/22/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zZZz said: court houses and prisons should be the only places where u dont have rights..
innocent until proven guilty?, yea right..
more like guilty until proven innocent
you lost me on your first sentence....
buuuuttttt........... I agree this system is very much Guilty until proven innocent. blind justice is just easier that way. now come get a BJ at our eyes wide shut party.
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: zZZz]
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this is the regulation for the cops in my neck of the woods
http://boingboing.net/2015/02/25/think-you-have-the-right-to-de.html
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2014 1st Quarter Los Angeles Police Department Manual, 603.20, 2014
On-duty employees shall have their Department-issued identification card in their immediate possession. Anytime a person requests to verify an employee's status as a Department employee, the employee shall present the identification card. Exception: Officers working an undercover assignment, in which their identification as a law enforcement officer would hinder their investigation or their safety, are not required to have the identification card in their immediate possession. Generally, this does not include plain clothes assignments conducting follow-up investigations.
of course, nobody ever asks. I certainly never have. The times i have been arrested, i've always done whatever the cops ask, short of incriminating myself or consenting(verbally)to any sort of search. I always play it cool, and try not to be threatening in any way. I'm not a big scary dude or anything, so that helps i guess. Still, they have all(with 1 exception)found a way to hurt me in the process. things ranging from leverage on my pinkies while cuffing me, to silly shit like making me hold my hands up for a long time. only had guns drawn once, and you had better believe my hands were up and i did whatever they said.(because i don't want to die)
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Herbologist]
#21842455 - 06/22/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Herbologist said: This is a crime against the white man as a whole. Our people are under attack.
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